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lolgaxe wrote:
A case could be made that the majority of the world's tools are still made of flesh and blood.
Obviously this is a statement about pork swords.
No, that was the Flintstones Age.
It's a living...
It's a living...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Call it the Ferrous Age and move on with life 
More like the Carbon age. Carbon steels, Carbides, Diamond tipped cutting edges, carbon fiber, graphite and it's relatives. Iron is useful for it's magnetic properties and being a medium for carbon hardening.
Just as Planned.
I could see an argument for that. Package it up and send it to the Powers That Be for approval.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
We haven't hit the carbon age until we're able to successfully freeze, thaw and revive someone. Someone with a giant hairy friend.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
He has to shoot first.
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I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
Olorinus wrote:
lolwiki aside - we still use stone, it doesn't mean we are in the stone age. We still use bronze, not in the bronze age either. Ditto with iron.
The bulk of our tools are not made out of stone
The bulk of our tools are not made out of bronze
The bulk of our tools are made out of iron.
hmmm... well in my office here all of the tools I am using are mostly plastic... pens, keyboard, computer, chairs...
The only iron around here is the metal pipes sticking out of the wall, and they are more than 100 years old. If this was a newer building the pipes would be plastic too
What was that earlier about flesh and blood?
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Olorinus wrote:
The only iron around here is the metal pipes sticking out of the wall, and they are more than 100 years old. If this was a newer building the pipes would be plastic too
This woman swallowed a plastic pen 25 years ago. They just removed it from her tummy. It still works. STORY
Still for BIG STRONG things, like bridges and skyscraper frames, trains and car undercarriages, steel is the man. I suspect that will be changing though (carbon Nanotubes)......
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
My pen has steel in it but I might just use a higher quality of pen than you.
Come to think of it, likewise on the office chair. And the computer case and some internal components (PSU shell, etc). I'll admit that the steel in my keyboard is likely minimal since even the wiring is copper.
I guess what I'm saying is that you must work in a dump
Come to think of it, likewise on the office chair. And the computer case and some internal components (PSU shell, etc). I'll admit that the steel in my keyboard is likely minimal since even the wiring is copper.
I guess what I'm saying is that you must work in a dump
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
yep.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2011 5:25pm by Olorinus
Edited, Dec 23rd 2011 5:25pm by Olorinus
lolgaxe wrote:
A case could be made that the majority of the world's tools are still made of flesh and blood.
Which contain iron. You think that hemoglobin is going to be all oxygen hungry without its ferrous friend?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Allegory wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
A case could be made that the majority of the world's tools are still made of flesh and blood.
Which contain iron. You think that hemoglobin is going to be all oxygen hungry without its ferrous friend?
A case could be made that those tools would be improved by the removal of iron.
Just as Planned.
#1817Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 26 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So, I got a source full of upcoming changes with the Army. Of course, one being the repeal of DADT.
I agree. Cut the Pentagon's budget further.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Almalieque wrote:
Finally, they are DEBATING if homosexuals should have equal benefits?! If they should be treated equally (as what's being preached), then there wouldn't be anything to think about.
You're right, there should be no debate about it. They should've already been treated equally. I'm glad to see you're finally coming around.
Alma wrote:
words
I blame those god-damn naggers.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
That is absurd a men who fight and die for your country that may happen to love men 100% totally deserve equal benefits. Its a ******* disgrace that your country took this long to allow equal service requirements, to deny them the same rights is absurd. This should automatically have disappeared with DADT. Its absurd that the restrictions still apply in your non military society to. These people do just as much for their nation as straight people, pay the same taxes, work the same jobs, buy the same things.
WTF do you have against them Alma, you a closet poof or afraid you might become one. Your hate to homosexuals baffles me to think your parents and grandparents dealt with the same kind of **** not even a half decade ago. You are a ******* hypocrite and I hope your family is ashamed you hold these opinions to a clearly persecuted American citizenry. Pathetic.
(ya i am pretty disgusted with his comments.)
WTF do you have against them Alma, you a closet poof or afraid you might become one. Your hate to homosexuals baffles me to think your parents and grandparents dealt with the same kind of **** not even a half decade ago. You are a ******* hypocrite and I hope your family is ashamed you hold these opinions to a clearly persecuted American citizenry. Pathetic.
(ya i am pretty disgusted with his comments.)
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
OmegaVegeta, my old fellow CaithSithian ex-Catholic agnostic, I hope your holiday was well and free of stress.. and welcome back from Vegas; I hope you made it back in one piece physically and spiritually.
I want to thank you for tolerating my ramblings and taking the time to at least humor e and and yourself in continuing to engage me in this dialog and also not totally just thinking that I am just blindly preaching ********** I am glad that you at least find this conversation intellectually stimulating enough to continue with it.. and as always I appreciate your brutal honesty; I can only pray that you appreciate mine. Brutal honestly from those that actually use their minds to debate a subject rather than their bile-ducts certainly can make for interesting times. I am not under the illusion that I can change a persons mind but I certainly enjoy expounding some of my personal discoveries and welcome the chance to defend them in the face of those that are not worried about feelings being hurt...
Anyway..
I can't blame you for being dismayed by the faults and lies that are rampant in any human institution. It sucks that you chose to reject all of God because you rejected the things of man. I honestly can say that the key does not rely in a religion; it is in a personal relationship with God; one on one.
You say that it would take something supernatural for you to believe. I totally agree with this too. No one can come to believe that Christ is Risen unless the Holy Spirit causes them to believe... but with that being said God does ask for our faith and God is a respecter of the choices that we make. God will not provide you with the supernatural ability to believe unless you choose to take the leap of faith; otherwise it would violate your free will. If suddenly you were given a bunch of crazy signs.. then your believe would be meaningless because it would not be from you but from Him.. and God did not make us to just be programmed robots.
The one real thing that matters in Jesus' teachings is that He actually is God in Flesh. Without this Truth His life and death would be no different than any other false messiah from Shimon Bar-Kokhba to Jim Jones or David Koresh..
You say that He had some awesome teachings.. yet His teachings reveal that No Man can ever live up to the righteousness of God except through His Sacrifice.. This view that He was just like another Gandhi and simply taught people to just learn how to get along is totally false. Jesus did not teach that people would some day learn to get along.. He taught that ALL were wrong and ALL are in sin and that all will be lost if they are judged by their mere deeds. Jesus taught that the forgiveness of God granted only by believing in the Cross is the only hope for humans beings. I am not trying to argue about flavors of teachings.. there is one flavor of teachings.. Faith that Christ alone saves. Everything else is superfluous.
That logic game with the big rock really is a total straw-man. It would never ever ever happen.. so to try to use that as some proof that God cannot exist really is just foolish. It is an abuse of logic and it is assuming that we can simply place an all-powerful Force "in-a-box". It proves (and disproves) nothing.
The concept of God really isn't meant to be understood. We can try and we can study and we can meditate but of course it can only go so far.. a goldfish can swim for miles and still be in his little bowl.. We do not need to understand.. we only need to have faith. I know this may sound like one of those catch-phrase slogans that people use.. but it really is the Truth; but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it as much as I want to at this moment.. but we do not need to understand God to be Saved.. we need only to look to His fleshly incarnation to get the message for what we need.
You say that you have experienced benefits of being "religious"; well anyone can experience that through anything that they do in their lives that provides structure, a framework, and some form of reward-factor.. but the only True benefit does not come from religion; it comes from a relationship with God.. something that I dare to assume that you have never had; except perhaps vicariously.. which is not a real relationship.
Until we can, "God did it" (While a cop out), is every bit as valid as M Theory. As a Catholic, I was even able to reconcile the beliefs I had with that & look at things like the story of creation as allegorical instead of literal. It's too bad other people can;t seem to do that.
I realize that this could be (and often is) a large drawn-our philosophical/philological debate.. Yes.. and I do not discount most scientific observations.. although I think it requires a near equal amount of faith to believe in a lot of the quack-physics theories that are floating around out there.. I will not open that can of worms.. to stay on track I will say one thing:
If you can bring yourself to believe in the First Line of the Bible than you really could believe anything else there; no matter how crazy or impossible. I will also say that I no longer simply believe that the Bible is just a record of humans.. but that it is the communication of knowledge that God has given us.. but as far as science and nature goes.. the Bible inded states that Nature is all the Proof of God that we should need.. I may even believe that most things in nature after the Big-Bang are purely logical.. but when we observe things beyond the simple Newtonian framework things really seem to get out of whack..
..but I am digressing.
I'm not going to broach the subject of the Egyptologist.. except to suggest looking for yourself where the sources come from.. I have and I have found them severely wanting.. but anyway you clearly are convinced by faith alone.. I'm not going to pointlessly argue.. but I think you will find that all of those lies come from the same biased source.
You say that science has yet to show that God is necessary for anything.. That is totally false.. it s quite the oposite.. but being stuck in your cycle of reverse faith I certainly am not going to try to argue it here..
and have a pissing contest..
I'll just say this: Keep in mind that the REASON for the Large Hadron Collider is because after ALL of the research science is STILL trying to figure out WHY MATTER EVEN EXISTS. Think about that... think about it an try not to laugh too hard..
At this point after all of my studying of physics; pretty much the only reason that I don't think that they are all comletely full of crap is the fact that we have caused atomic explosions.. quite a telling feat for us.
the teachings of a guy named Buddha.
I used to enjoy this notion until I actually studied Buddhism and realized the absurdity of the notion (see my statement above about "God" and "Salavation". I agree that there are some similar notions between Buddhism and Christianity.. the difference is that Buddha never admitted that there is absolutly no way that a human can achieve salvation nor provided a way.. Enlightenment is not salvation.. nor is Oblivion. Both may acknowlege a Source of Creation but only one goes far enough to admit that this Source would have a will and that there actually is a point for our existence.
I thought that was His plan?
Very good answer. God coming in the flesh and allowing Himself to be murdered by His children was indeed part of His place. That doesn't make it right by any means; but what you are getting at here is the point to all of this.. it was a clear demonstration of the nature of mankind.. It really is the root of it all.
In order for us to be Individuals then we would have to be separated from God.. in being separated we are made sinners.. for our sakes God allowed this to happen.. for now we may be forgiven and not judged for the things that we do.. for what we are. People say that this is unfair because we were made sinners.. but actually we were simply made to be able to choose and being separate from God we choose our own flesh.. and when God came down teaching the Spirit we choose to reject it and to murder Him for it.. But through this action we are saved from our own natures.. For if God/Messiah did not offer Himself as a sacrifice then we would not have an event that is so perfectly crafted t give us the opportunity to give up our pride and reject the flesh and the world..
John 3:16 and all.. That act gives is something to believe.. it is God Will that we believe this crazy, unbelievable, and unlikely event for Salvation and to be made pure and righteous so that we may dwell as individuals in God presence when the Full Plan Unfolds. It is the entire purpose for everything and it is the only thing that really makes sense; but like I said; you cannot believe something so ridiculous unless the Holy Spirit allows you to believe and to get the Holy Spirit you must fully humble yourself and cry out to God as many times at it takes for you to affirm your faith..
preach preach preach preach preach I know...
Amen
I want to thank you for tolerating my ramblings and taking the time to at least humor e and and yourself in continuing to engage me in this dialog and also not totally just thinking that I am just blindly preaching ********** I am glad that you at least find this conversation intellectually stimulating enough to continue with it.. and as always I appreciate your brutal honesty; I can only pray that you appreciate mine. Brutal honestly from those that actually use their minds to debate a subject rather than their bile-ducts certainly can make for interesting times. I am not under the illusion that I can change a persons mind but I certainly enjoy expounding some of my personal discoveries and welcome the chance to defend them in the face of those that are not worried about feelings being hurt...
Anyway..
OmegaV explaining why people suck wrote:
I decided I didn't want to be associated with it anymore. There wasn't any one thing, but more a combination of things (Buttsecks scandals, Fred Phelps, my Priest retiring and a more...conservative Priest taking over the congregation, finding out how awesome sex is, et. al) that lead me to rethink my own views on religion & God in general.
I can't blame you for being dismayed by the faults and lies that are rampant in any human institution. It sucks that you chose to reject all of God because you rejected the things of man. I honestly can say that the key does not rely in a religion; it is in a personal relationship with God; one on one.
You say that it would take something supernatural for you to believe. I totally agree with this too. No one can come to believe that Christ is Risen unless the Holy Spirit causes them to believe... but with that being said God does ask for our faith and God is a respecter of the choices that we make. God will not provide you with the supernatural ability to believe unless you choose to take the leap of faith; otherwise it would violate your free will. If suddenly you were given a bunch of crazy signs.. then your believe would be meaningless because it would not be from you but from Him.. and God did not make us to just be programmed robots.
OmegaV rationalizing Jesus wrote:
I believe that he believed he was the son of God (& I believe if God does exist, then we're all his sons & daughters so Jesus wouldn't of even had to of been immaculately conceived to be the son of God) Instead of spreading those awesome ideas like he wanted you too, however, you'd rather have a pissing contest over which flavor of his teachings is the correct one.
The one real thing that matters in Jesus' teachings is that He actually is God in Flesh. Without this Truth His life and death would be no different than any other false messiah from Shimon Bar-Kokhba to Jim Jones or David Koresh..
You say that He had some awesome teachings.. yet His teachings reveal that No Man can ever live up to the righteousness of God except through His Sacrifice.. This view that He was just like another Gandhi and simply taught people to just learn how to get along is totally false. Jesus did not teach that people would some day learn to get along.. He taught that ALL were wrong and ALL are in sin and that all will be lost if they are judged by their mere deeds. Jesus taught that the forgiveness of God granted only by believing in the Cross is the only hope for humans beings. I am not trying to argue about flavors of teachings.. there is one flavor of teachings.. Faith that Christ alone saves. Everything else is superfluous.
OmegaV trying to squeeze God into a box wrote:
"Can God make a rock so big that he can't lift it?"
Honestly, the whole concept of God doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but since I know & have experienced some of the benefits that come with being religious I'm not going to knock someone else for believing.
Honestly, the whole concept of God doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but since I know & have experienced some of the benefits that come with being religious I'm not going to knock someone else for believing.
That logic game with the big rock really is a total straw-man. It would never ever ever happen.. so to try to use that as some proof that God cannot exist really is just foolish. It is an abuse of logic and it is assuming that we can simply place an all-powerful Force "in-a-box". It proves (and disproves) nothing.
The concept of God really isn't meant to be understood. We can try and we can study and we can meditate but of course it can only go so far.. a goldfish can swim for miles and still be in his little bowl.. We do not need to understand.. we only need to have faith. I know this may sound like one of those catch-phrase slogans that people use.. but it really is the Truth; but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it as much as I want to at this moment.. but we do not need to understand God to be Saved.. we need only to look to His fleshly incarnation to get the message for what we need.
You say that you have experienced benefits of being "religious"; well anyone can experience that through anything that they do in their lives that provides structure, a framework, and some form of reward-factor.. but the only True benefit does not come from religion; it comes from a relationship with God.. something that I dare to assume that you have never had; except perhaps vicariously.. which is not a real relationship.
OmegaV thinking at God has to always be contradictory of science wrote:
Until we can, "God did it" (While a cop out), is every bit as valid as M Theory. As a Catholic, I was even able to reconcile the beliefs I had with that & look at things like the story of creation as allegorical instead of literal. It's too bad other people can;t seem to do that.
I realize that this could be (and often is) a large drawn-our philosophical/philological debate.. Yes.. and I do not discount most scientific observations.. although I think it requires a near equal amount of faith to believe in a lot of the quack-physics theories that are floating around out there.. I will not open that can of worms.. to stay on track I will say one thing:
If you can bring yourself to believe in the First Line of the Bible than you really could believe anything else there; no matter how crazy or impossible. I will also say that I no longer simply believe that the Bible is just a record of humans.. but that it is the communication of knowledge that God has given us.. but as far as science and nature goes.. the Bible inded states that Nature is all the Proof of God that we should need.. I may even believe that most things in nature after the Big-Bang are purely logical.. but when we observe things beyond the simple Newtonian framework things really seem to get out of whack..
..but I am digressing.
OmegaV claiming science can explain everything wrote:
I know it's tough for you to swallow, but Science may be on to something since it has yet to show that God is absolutely necessary for anything.
I'm not going to broach the subject of the Egyptologist.. except to suggest looking for yourself where the sources come from.. I have and I have found them severely wanting.. but anyway you clearly are convinced by faith alone.. I'm not going to pointlessly argue.. but I think you will find that all of those lies come from the same biased source.
You say that science has yet to show that God is necessary for anything.. That is totally false.. it s quite the oposite.. but being stuck in your cycle of reverse faith I certainly am not going to try to argue it here..
and have a pissing contest..
I'll just say this: Keep in mind that the REASON for the Large Hadron Collider is because after ALL of the research science is STILL trying to figure out WHY MATTER EVEN EXISTS. Think about that... think about it an try not to laugh too hard..
At this point after all of my studying of physics; pretty much the only reason that I don't think that they are all comletely full of crap is the fact that we have caused atomic explosions.. quite a telling feat for us.
OmegaV comparing Jesus to wrote:
the teachings of a guy named Buddha.
I used to enjoy this notion until I actually studied Buddhism and realized the absurdity of the notion (see my statement above about "God" and "Salavation". I agree that there are some similar notions between Buddhism and Christianity.. the difference is that Buddha never admitted that there is absolutly no way that a human can achieve salvation nor provided a way.. Enlightenment is not salvation.. nor is Oblivion. Both may acknowlege a Source of Creation but only one goes far enough to admit that this Source would have a will and that there actually is a point for our existence.
OmegaV on the crucifixion wrote:
I thought that was His plan?
Very good answer. God coming in the flesh and allowing Himself to be murdered by His children was indeed part of His place. That doesn't make it right by any means; but what you are getting at here is the point to all of this.. it was a clear demonstration of the nature of mankind.. It really is the root of it all.
In order for us to be Individuals then we would have to be separated from God.. in being separated we are made sinners.. for our sakes God allowed this to happen.. for now we may be forgiven and not judged for the things that we do.. for what we are. People say that this is unfair because we were made sinners.. but actually we were simply made to be able to choose and being separate from God we choose our own flesh.. and when God came down teaching the Spirit we choose to reject it and to murder Him for it.. But through this action we are saved from our own natures.. For if God/Messiah did not offer Himself as a sacrifice then we would not have an event that is so perfectly crafted t give us the opportunity to give up our pride and reject the flesh and the world..
John 3:16 and all.. That act gives is something to believe.. it is God Will that we believe this crazy, unbelievable, and unlikely event for Salvation and to be made pure and righteous so that we may dwell as individuals in God presence when the Full Plan Unfolds. It is the entire purpose for everything and it is the only thing that really makes sense; but like I said; you cannot believe something so ridiculous unless the Holy Spirit allows you to believe and to get the Holy Spirit you must fully humble yourself and cry out to God as many times at it takes for you to affirm your faith..
preach preach preach preach preach I know...
Amen
#1823Almalieque,
Posted: Dec 27 2011 at 11:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've stated from post 206, measure twice and cut once. If you're going to make any changes, then understand the situation fully before acting. All of the changes don't have to be done all at once, but they should be thought of and planned.
Almalieque wrote:
Belkira wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Finally, they are DEBATING if homosexuals should have equal benefits?! If they should be treated equally (as what's being preached), then there wouldn't be anything to think about.
You're right, there should be no debate about it. They should've already been treated equally. I'm glad to see you're finally coming around.
I've stated from post 206, measure twice and cut once. If you're going to make any changes, then understand the situation fully before acting. All of the changes don't have to be done all at once, but they should be thought of and planned.
This only proves two things.
1. The decision to deny those benefits had NOTHING to do with DODMA as people claimed. If it were, then unless it changed recently, then it can't happen.
2. If the military was all about allowing homosexuals to serve openly, then this thought process would have been done already. You can't preach "treat everyone equally" and then have to consider giving the "equal benefits". That doesn't make sense.
Side note: Unless you make everything Co-ed, it is impossible to make it equal between the two groups. Of course you don't care about equality, just homosexuality. You wont admit that, but it's ok.
You're an idiot.
DODMA = Defense of Dumb Marriage Act?
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