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#27 Jan 10 2014 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Reagan was a great example of a leader who believes the same things I do. But I tend to think people should be held accountable for their actions.

Like selling US military technology to Islamic terrorists?

I meant that as one of your core beliefs you shared with Reagan, of course. Not something you personally need to be held accountable for.
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#28 Jan 10 2014 at 3:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Reagan was a great example of a leader who believes the same things I do.
Alzheimer's and running away from your debts?
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Reagan was a great believer that one could divinate the future by staring at patterns of stars that vaguely resembled figures from Greek mythology. Maybe he meant those principles.
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Reagan was a great believer that one could divinate the future by staring at patterns of stars that vaguely resembled figures from Greek mythology. Maybe he meant those principles.

No, no, that was his wife. He clearly meant his values were letting his wife make all the decisions. Because he'll be too busy seeking hot M4M love, we'd assume.
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I've never met a politician with the same morals and values as I have.


Reagan was a great example of a leader who believes the same things I do. But I tend to think people should be held accountable for their actions. This doesn't exactly play in todays world.



Hmm? It never ceases to amaze the amusing amount of zeal people have to propagate the myth that Reagan believed the same things they did.

The guy was obviously a brilliant politician, because he was able to make his constituency actually believe that he was just like them, that he shared the same convictions. It is doubly amusing given that no one could really tell what those convictions were. It is a triple whammy because he was hailed for having them.

So yeah, tell me what you believe, and tell me what Reagan believes. I dare you.

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#33 Jan 11 2014 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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Reagan was a great believer that one could divinate the future by staring at patterns of stars that vaguely resembled figures from Greek mythology. Maybe he meant those principles.
I kind of figure it's like the scene near the start of Willow, except with jelly beans instead of chicken bones.
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#34 Jan 11 2014 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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Coming from humble beginnings does make you a better person.



As much as this pains me ( seriously, you have no idea), but as someone who did grow up poor, I have to agree with Smash. When I see a poor person now, my first thought isn't "Oh that poor guy, someone should help him/them."

My immediate thought is "Lazy *** bum needs to get off his lazy *** and get his sh*t together". "Just look at him, not a pot to **** in, but he's got plenty of money for smokes, booze, tattoos and lottery tickets."


Granted, even if he did bust his *** he'd probably still be poor, but it does chap my *** to hear someone ***** about the injustices of financial inequality in America as they **** what little money they do have away.

Poverty may breed compassion, but it's just as likely to breed contempt.


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#35 Jan 11 2014 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Poverty may breed compassion, but it's just as likely to breed contempt.


Yeah, getting the right nature can be a real pain.

As, I am sure, your parents have often reflected.
#36 Jan 13 2014 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Coming from humble beginnings only makes a person more compassionate if they have the good sense to recognize all the privilege/lucky breaks they received that led them out of poverty. Basically, if they think they did it all themselves, they will probably be just as bad or worse than someone born into money when it comes to judging poor people (I got out of it, so they can too!)

If they come from humble beginnings but are still able to see in a clear-eyed way that they won the lottery of lucky breaks to get out of it they are probably more likely to be compassionate towards people down on their luck - AND have ideas of how to create levers that people can use to break the class barrier/ways to increase social mobility.

While folks probably worked hard to get out of it, working hard alone is irrelevant. The world's poorest workers are likely also the hardest working. That means jack squat, in the real world it is all about luck, connections and privilege.

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While folks probably worked hard to get out of it, working hard alone is irrelevant. The world's poorest workers are likely also the hardest working. That means jack squat, in the real world it is all about luck, connections and privilege.



True to a point. Even though luck trumps all, the guy busting his *** to get un-poor is far more likely to achieve it than the guy sitting on his drunk *** hoping someone else saves him.
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#38 Jan 14 2014 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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True to a point. Even though luck trumps all, the guy busting his *** to get un-poor is far more likely to achieve it than the guy sitting on his drunk *** hoping someone else saves him.

Ludicrous. In perfect identical circumstances, maybe. In the shared context we refer to as "reality" working hard is almost never the primary reason someone succeeds over another person.
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that's why I don't bother working hard. if it happens it'll happen regardless.
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Hard work means different things to different people, and things that exhaust one person will barely wear on another.

Also, work smarter not harder. Smiley: nod
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jimbrown45 wrote:
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Reagan was a great example of a leader who believes the same things I do. But I tend to think people should be held accountable for their actions.

Like selling US military technology to Islamic terrorists?

I meant that as one of your core beliefs you shared with Reagan, of course. Not something you personally need to be held accountable for.


Depends on which Islamic groups you're selling them to. You know that whole pit your enemies against one another then clean up the pieces after they're through.

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I don't know about other countries but in this one hard workers aren't the poorest because they're the ones always improving their situation. It's also why minimum wage should be determined by the market and not some radical liberal who's never run a business in their life.

Nice pipe dreams - or maybe you've been visiting gbaji in 1959?

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#46 Jan 14 2014 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Lucky breaks....only a spoiled brat thinks that the poor miracle themselves out of poverty (with a healthy dose of government cheese of course).

I don't know about other countries but in this one hard workers aren't the poorest because they're the ones always improving their situation. It's also why minimum wage should be determined by the market and not some radical liberal who's never run a business in their life.


Only a fool thinks success is about luck, connections, privilege, or any other copout you can come up with to excuse your mediocrity.

I feel sorry for your boss...if you even have one.


I do agree that this attitude that only the extremely lucky make anything out of their lives is a bunch of baloney, but we do still need to make sure that we aren't just stepping on people without any compassion at all. Minimum wage is one of those things that needs to be regulated and raised regularly, because big business has already proven that it can't govern itself. Look at how every fast food restaurant operates these days. They make money hand over fist, but still manage to have an entire fleet of employees who they don't have to pay benefits to or even schedule for a full 40 hour week. That's your free market already at work, and it's failing pretty hard. These places are going out of their way to ensure that the individual doesn't get enough hours\pay\benefits to live, and it will continue until a law is passed that says they can't do that anymore.

If there is a loophole, Corporate America will find it and exploit it until the government steps in and puts a stop to it. You want people off food stamps and government assistance? Get your rich business owner buddies to start hiring full time employees again and stop this practice of scheduling adults for 20 hour work weeks because you don't want to have to provide health insurance. Treat human beings who are working for you like human beings. You will have better employees, less turnover, and the economy will grow.
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Can't ban it until we know who it is, that's half the fun!

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#49 Jan 14 2014 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depends on which Islamic groups you're selling them to.

Ronnie should have looked into that then Smiley: laugh
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#50 Jan 14 2014 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Sock survived the weekend?
Can't ban it until we know who it is, that's half the fun!

Smiley: popcorn

Oh in this case it's trivial to figure out who it is.
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#51 Jan 14 2014 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sock survived the weekend?
Can't ban it until we know who it is, that's half the fun!

Smiley: popcorn

Oh in this case it's trivial to figure out who it is.
So is someone getting a second chance then? Or are we just stringing them along playfully until the hammer falls?
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