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Ventura is a truther and an overall lunatic. I respect him a bit for speaking his mind, unfortunately his mind is completely lost.
Duke Lubriderm wrote:
Ventura is a truther and an overall lunatic. I respect him a bit for speaking his mind, unfortunately his mind is completely lost.
I know you prefer establish candidates with low IQ's like Bush. Jesse fought off lobbyists in his home state and served honorably. That's such an outrageous behavior in the age of criminal puppets. I suppose you could be referring to his approach of asking questions that most people tend to sweep underneath the rug. I also suppose you think the TSA, Homeland Security, and the Patriot are good things. You know, the ends justify the means. I think the outrageous people are the ones that don't speak up or question issues they don't understand or believe.
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It's kinda pathetic honestly that most people on this forum know there is corruption, but they don't seem to care. They rather nitpick the activist instead of supporting them. Well luckily karma has a way of balancing out these retards. As the economy gets worse and you guys finally wake up, I'll be vindicated as the police state takes over America and the dollar implodes to 3rd world status. I can it now so clear. "This @#%^ on this forum used to make these silly predictions, I should of paid more attention.... oh well" It's ok, these quotes from Thomas Jefferson say it all.
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Heh.
You're wrong, anyway. Anyone who knows anything about what's "really" going on knows the Reptilians are really running the show.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
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I know you prefer establish candidates with low IQ's like Bush
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I suppose you could be referring to his approach of asking questions that most people tend to sweep underneath the rug
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I also suppose you think the TSA, Homeland Security, and the Patriot are good things.
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I think the outrageous people are the ones that don't speak up or question issues they don't understand or believe.
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I find it amusing the bankers donate so much to these top tier candidates. They can't raise our interest on our investments, but they can dump millions to candidates yet don't want anything for their investments, right? I'm the guy wearing the tin foil hat for believing these banks have a motive. The absurdity of people who have the balls to defend the Fed and the banksters when it's clear to a 4 year old that there is a conflict of judgment. Why do you think it's supposed to be illegal to bribe a cop or judge? Because money corrupts people and it's just the way things work.
Corporate Banks absolutely have a motive. Their motive, like any corporation, is to produce profit. (Which is technically supposed to generate wealth, but the profit/wealth creation link can be tenuous at times) I don't think anyone is debating this. The Fed is not this, but is made up of people interested in their own futures, which makes them eminently corruptable if they have ambitions in the private sector. I don't think anyone is debating this.
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It's kinda pathetic honestly that most people on this forum know there is corruption, but they don't seem to care. They rather nitpick the activist instead of supporting them. Well luckily karma has a way of balancing out these retards. As the economy gets worse and you guys finally wake up, I'll be vindicated as the police state takes over America and the dollar implodes to 3rd world status. I can it now so clear. "This @#%^ on this forum used to make these silly predictions, I should of paid more attention.... oh well" It's ok, these quotes from Thomas Jefferson say it all.
Nitpicking is important. It prunes the erroneous, poorly articulated, and ill-informed collection of ideas that make up the bulk of the protest organization, and slowly distills it down into a coherent message. Absolute support is as dangerous as absolute rejection.
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Timelordwho wrote:
Corporate Banks absolutely have a motive. Their motive, like any corporation, is to produce profit. (Which is technically supposed to generate wealth, but the profit/wealth creation link can be tenuous at times) I don't think anyone is debating this. The Fed is not this, but is made up of people interested in their own futures, which makes them eminently corruptable if they have ambitions in the private sector. I don't think anyone is debating this.
It doesn't generate wealth for the country, only the shareholders. Most of these fortune 500 companies have huge cash surpluses ranging in the billions and yet they do nothing with it to help the economy.
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Nitpicking is important. It prunes the erroneous, poorly articulated, and ill-informed collection of ideas that make up the bulk of the protest organization, and slowly distills it down into a coherent message. Absolute support is as dangerous as absolute rejection.
I seriously hope you're not referring to the Occupy Wall Street and the Fed movements. I've been following them and they have real demands and a purpose. The mainstream media might look for the dummies to interview to hurt the credibility, but I can tell you from first hand experience(I've been there to a few protests now) that the movement is not unorganized.
The Fed movement is just starting to take off and regardless of your opinion, the group has a set goal and focused.
Lastly, your articulation point is a fallacy. Obama has to be one of the best public speakers of all time. That doesn't mean he is right on everything because he speaks good in front of a teleprompter. The passion of the movement is just as important.
The status quo doesn't work anymore. The country needs a new direction. The Fed has failed to do their job so we want them removed. Considering the track record, I'm a bit surprised you aren't with me. I realize we need a system to help monitor monetary systems, but we need to unshackle the corruption first. A new org is the best way to overcome the old guard.
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It doesn't generate wealth for the country, only the shareholders. Most of these fortune 500 companies have huge cash surpluses ranging in the billions and yet they do nothing with it to help the economy.
That's my point. Quite a lot of people have stock, retirement accounts etc, which means they are shareholders, but there is definitely a (large) group that does not. It's not really their purpose to 'help the economy', rather it is their goal to increase their value.
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Posted: Oct 09 2011 at 3:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That doesn't make any sense though because as the economy and middle class become weaker, so does the value of the money. It's in everyone's best interests to pitch in and help. Ironically these bastards won't bat an eye buying off politicians with their campaign donations. Now the fact that they do this and it's allowed should tell you the system is corrupt and has to be changed. The people that have the money make the rules..err laws. That's not what this country was founded on so where do we go from here.
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I seriously hope you're not referring to the Occupy Wall Street and the Fed movements. I've been following them and they have real demands and a purpose. The mainstream media might look for the dummies to interview to hurt the credibility, but I can tell you from first hand experience(I've been there to a few protests now) that the movement is not unorganized.
The Fed movement is just starting to take off and regardless of your opinion, the group has a set goal and focused.
Lastly, your articulation point is a fallacy. Obama has to be one of the best public speakers of all time. That doesn't mean he is right on everything because he speaks good in front of a teleprompter. The passion of the movement is just as important.
The status quo doesn't work anymore. The country needs a new direction. The Fed has failed to do their job so we want them removed. Considering the track record, I'm a bit surprised you aren't with me. I realize we need a system to help monitor monetary systems, but we need to unshackle the corruption first. A new org is the best way to overcome the old guard.
I absolutely am. They have many goals and or purposes. Too many to be effective, in fact. Cutting down the bad ideas and letting the useful ideas grow is valuable for the movement. Articulation _is_ important. Obama didn't become president because he had a feeling in his heart.
Setting fire to working systems on a mad witch-hunt to stem the tide of corruption leaves a charred and barren land. You seem to think that by striking madly out at every wan ghost, shifting shadow or rustling in the bush you can eradicate the problem. This is foolish. You must find the source, the tainted well from which it springs. To do so, you must know why.
Trace the lines to their beginning, see the true nature of the problem.
Don't be so shortsighted to say, "Ah, but the Fed has failed us, we must rid ourselves of it." Changing the people or the entity will only postpone further failures, and the problem will only be more deeply embedded. Are they not driven by the same desires as those in the present? Instead ask "Why and how has the Fed failed us, what forces acted upon it?"
Corruption is like a tree, its roots lie in the darkness whilst its leaves wave in the sun and to those who suspect nought it has an attractive and pleasing appearance. Truly, you can prune away its branches, or even cut the tree to the ground, but it will grow up again ever the stronger and ever more comely. Yet all awhile the root grows thick and black, gnawing at the bitter soil, drawing its nourishment from the darkness, and growing even greater and more deeply entrenched.
If you want some of the more obvious reasons why; Campaigns are not financed in ways that preserve the common good. Elections have been set up with interesting mechanics that favor certain groups. Regulatory policy is both a symptom and and a source. The Journalism industry is financed in ways that create a conflict of interests. There are many others, mostly caused by either information asymmetry, other flavors of principal-agent problems, and systemic incentives that no longer correctly carry out their purpose.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
That's my point. Quite a lot of people have stock, retirement accounts etc, which means they are shareholders, but there is definitely a (large) group that does not. It's not really their purpose to 'help the economy', rather it is their goal to increase their value.
That doesn't make any sense though because as the economy and middle class become weaker, so does the value of the money. It's in everyone's best interests to pitch in and help. Ironically these bastards won't bat an eye buying off politicians with their campaign donations. Now the fact that they do this and it's allowed should tell you the system is corrupt and has to be changed. The people that have the money make the rules..err laws. That's not what this country was founded on so where do we go from here.
This is a very simple case of the tragedy of the commons. It is in everyone's best interest if everyone pitches in and helps. It is even more in their best interest for everyone else to pitch in and help and to engineer strategies to profit off others' work. But it is not in anyone's best interest if everyone sits back and profits off the no work.
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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
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If more politicians were like Jesse, we wouldn't have these problems.
I respect him for Predator. That movie was badass.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Liked The Running Man better.
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I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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Posted: Oct 09 2011 at 9:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is why the old system doesn't work. The bankers and the fed itself is so corrupted within the politics, nothing works anymore. I know you're elaborating to other issues as well like the voter mechanics which typically hurt certain groups. Here's something for you to think about. Most Americans aren't educated in school about the free market and taught in detail what the Constitution means. Our very education system is flawed, you can't expect people to wake up and push for change while having any respect for these corrupted systems. I have fought many impossible battles in my life for lost causes, I know the stakes. I also know that sometimes it takes time for the sheep to wake up. These sheep are waking up now. That's why they are protesting. Only the media(bought and paid by bankers) is bashing the OWS group. Well FOX is because they are funded by greedy corporations.
So, back when I said that the Fed doesn't regulate the banking system AT ALL, but rather the FDIC, Treasury Department, and other Executive institutions, you were... baking a pie?
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I also know that sometimes it takes time for the sheep to wake up. These sheep are waking up now.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I made some brownies yesterday, but now I want some pie...
Toll House pie.
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It doesn't generate wealth for the country, only the shareholders. Most of these fortune 500 companies have huge cash surpluses ranging in the billions and yet they do nothing with it to help the economy.
No of course they don't, I mean being the top employers, investors, and money movers in the US does nothing for the economy. At all. I mean they provide so little to the economy that when a dozen of them started to go tits up in 2007/2008 absolutely nothing happened economically anywhere in the world. At all.
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Explain how Bush got elected in the first place. I'd love to see you use "logic" to explain that without using corruption..IE FL votes.
Folksy charm versus the rather stoic and unappealing personality of Al Gore. I don't know if you remember the election, but Al Gore then wasn't even as personable as Al Gore now after he found his cause in global warming. Despite Clinton's outgoing popularity, the Lewinsky scandal didn't do Gore any favors and kept him from embracing Clinton during the campaign. Also, the economy was doing well, we weren't in any real military crisis, etc. People were will willing to go with what sounded good at the time.
And, of course, the caprice of the electoral college. But even if you want to play conspiracy theory and say that Bush "stole" the handful of FL votes required, the fact would still remain that the popular vote tally would have still barely (0.5%) favored Gore. Bush was still a popular candidate and the fact that he won doesn't require any special voodoo or shady dealings.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
rdmcandie wrote:
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It doesn't generate wealth for the country, only the shareholders. Most of these fortune 500 companies have huge cash surpluses ranging in the billions and yet they do nothing with it to help the economy.
No of course they don't, I mean being the top employers, investors, and money movers in the US does nothing for the economy. At all. I mean they provide so little to the economy that when a dozen of them started to go tits up in 2007/2008 absolutely nothing happened economically anywhere in the world. At all.
The problem is that, due to the way retirement investments and pensions are structured, a lot of the "shareholders" actually turned out to be normal Joes off the street with a 401K.
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Posted: Oct 09 2011 at 10:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Check out this video with Ron Paul vs the Fed. It clearly shows Ron Paul to be an expert on monetary matters like I keep saying for those that don't believe.
catwho wrote:
rdmcandie wrote:
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It doesn't generate wealth for the country, only the shareholders. Most of these fortune 500 companies have huge cash surpluses ranging in the billions and yet they do nothing with it to help the economy.
No of course they don't, I mean being the top employers, investors, and money movers in the US does nothing for the economy. At all. I mean they provide so little to the economy that when a dozen of them started to go tits up in 2007/2008 absolutely nothing happened economically anywhere in the world. At all.
The problem is that, due to the way retirement investments and pensions are structured, a lot of the "shareholders" actually turned out to be normal Joes off the street with a 401K.
That has nothing to do wit it. His claim was that fortune 500 companies have no impact on the economy, when in reality they have a huge impact on it. (hello 2008 recession, and current economic issues).
Retirement investments have always rode the waves and the good time and bad times were generally influenced by fortune 500 companies. I am not condoning nor, disputing their procedures, just the fact that they are fortune 500 for a reason and that reason is they move money, and the single biggest sign of a healthy economy is the movement of money through private hands.
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Check out this video with Ron Paul vs the Fed. It clearly shows Ron Paul to be an expert on monetary matters like I keep saying for those that don't believe.
Edited, Oct 9th 2011 11:30pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
Edited, Oct 9th 2011 11:30pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
Also, his claim that computer and cell phone prices dropped just because the industries were strong is hogwash.
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the Patriot are good things
I really enjoyed that movie, unfortunately I have a hard time watching Mel Gibson anymore ><
Oh that's not what you were talking about? My apologies.
Edit for spelling, I'm sure there are more that I missed.
Edited, Oct 10th 2011 10:14am by HatoriofGaruda
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I know you prefer establish candidates with low IQ's like Bush. Jesse fought off lobbyists in his home state and served honorably. That's such an outrageous behavior in the age of criminal puppets. I suppose you could be referring to his approach of asking questions that most people tend to sweep underneath the rug. I also suppose you think the TSA, Homeland Security, and the Patriot are good things. You know, the ends justify the means. I think the outrageous people are the ones that don't speak up or question issues they don't understand or believe.
You are as il-informed about Minnesota politics as you are the Fed and sound rationale for libertarianism.
Jesse Ventura was swept in to office on an anti-establishment vote, winning a plurality against a Democrat & a Republican that were about as different ideologically as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. His 4 years as governor were spent embarrassing the state and its residents. Not many people anymore will even admit to having voted for him. We learned our lesson here, and 3rd party candidates have a couple decades of credibility restoration before they will be voted in to statewide office again.
Jesse Ventura was a petulant child that refused to take questions from local media because they reported on him in local channels. When his children threw parties in the Governor's mansion while he and the mrs. were out of town he lambasted local reporters for daring to report on the thousands of dollars in damage party guests did to the residence. In a state with a long and deep Lutheran heritage, he called religion a crutch and made fun of religious people. His single major accomplishment in office was to see vehicle registration fees dropped significantly. It was his signature issue at the time, and he got it done. He was, and largely still is, considered a *****-ball nut-job by most people in this state.
I'm done making my case. If people really want to believe the bankers and Fed don't control the politicians as puppets, nothing I say will change their mind. There isn't a conspiracy required to see the logic because we know human ambition and how power corrupts people. Whether it be that guy at work who gets promoted and turns into a power tripping jerk or those that feel they're better than you just because of how much money they make or what they drive. The reality is that the bankers feel that the people aren't smart enough to think for themselves. That's why governments throughout history the people have found themselves fighting tyranny. The main reason the USA was founded was to escape tyranny and to have free will.
Free will means making mistakes and regretting your actions if you make bad choices. Instead everything we do is regulated. We're brainwashed that drugs are bad, but prescription drugs are good for you. The reality is the opposite at least for most drugs. Weed is 10x better for you than the chemicals most prescription drugs inject in your body. However, because drugs are "illegals", it raises the price and is more lucrative. Heck it's why we're in Afghanistan right now is to defend those fields.
9/11 inside job or not has ruined the country. It has people scared of terrorists that don't exist on the scale the government likes us to believe. Bin laden himself was part of the Bush family during Sr's days in the CIA. There are pictures of it online and other proof if you require it. None of this matters though, 9/11 happened and we lost so much because of it. The Patriot Act allows the govt to legally spy on you and me without a really food reason. All those street cameras you see all over the place are there to monitor everything we do. The economy is rigged to fail and the cost of living is less than the rate of inflation. The bankers and corporations receive bail outs, but the people get screwed. Yet I'm ridiculed because I don't agree with this behavior.
In closing, I have better things to do in my life that waste it on people too dumb to listen. I don't know all the answers, none of us do. All I wanted was people to engage the idea, no matter how unlikely it might be in their thought process. It's much easier to nitpick and respond with trollish behavior than to see the points I attempted to make and reach an understanding. I'm not going to spend hours upon hours to proofread my posts to the point every angle is covered from trolls. Well we shall see who is right and who is wrong. Every person has a breaking point. These Wall street protesters reached their limit for corruption so they protest. I look forward to seeing you around in the protests as we lose our freedoms one after another for the sake of our country's safety.
Goodbye, I'm done here guys.
Free will means making mistakes and regretting your actions if you make bad choices. Instead everything we do is regulated. We're brainwashed that drugs are bad, but prescription drugs are good for you. The reality is the opposite at least for most drugs. Weed is 10x better for you than the chemicals most prescription drugs inject in your body. However, because drugs are "illegals", it raises the price and is more lucrative. Heck it's why we're in Afghanistan right now is to defend those fields.
9/11 inside job or not has ruined the country. It has people scared of terrorists that don't exist on the scale the government likes us to believe. Bin laden himself was part of the Bush family during Sr's days in the CIA. There are pictures of it online and other proof if you require it. None of this matters though, 9/11 happened and we lost so much because of it. The Patriot Act allows the govt to legally spy on you and me without a really food reason. All those street cameras you see all over the place are there to monitor everything we do. The economy is rigged to fail and the cost of living is less than the rate of inflation. The bankers and corporations receive bail outs, but the people get screwed. Yet I'm ridiculed because I don't agree with this behavior.
In closing, I have better things to do in my life that waste it on people too dumb to listen. I don't know all the answers, none of us do. All I wanted was people to engage the idea, no matter how unlikely it might be in their thought process. It's much easier to nitpick and respond with trollish behavior than to see the points I attempted to make and reach an understanding. I'm not going to spend hours upon hours to proofread my posts to the point every angle is covered from trolls. Well we shall see who is right and who is wrong. Every person has a breaking point. These Wall street protesters reached their limit for corruption so they protest. I look forward to seeing you around in the protests as we lose our freedoms one after another for the sake of our country's safety.
Goodbye, I'm done here guys.
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