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#52 Sep 27 2012 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Nevermind. I underestimated(overestimated?) him.
#53 Sep 27 2012 at 7:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Regardless of your belief if we're "animals" are not, we are not one in the same. Animals behave based off of their bodies and environment. Until those two factors gestate to being the same for both humans and ALL animals, these like comparisons are not valid.

I have no idea what this means.
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#54Almalieque, Posted: Sep 27 2012 at 8:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe you should reread what I wrote as your response shows a clear misunderstanding of what was written.
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#56 Sep 27 2012 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Nevermind. I underestimated(overestimated?) him.


No, you didn't. Your statement "I read it as 'not cooked to where I ordered it' instead of 'done from an objective standpoint. " was 100% accurate.

I don't see how anyone can take it any other way. It was a simple "If/then" statement followed by quotes around the word "finished" to show subjectivity.

If you like "well down" THEN, bloody food isn't finished.
If you like "rare" THEN, tougher food is "overcooked".
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He obviously misunderstood as he's doing now and instead of just admitting in being wrong, he will continue to back peddle into an argument that I wasn't even making.
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Just to make the point, the juice in red meat is not blood. It's a mixture of water in the tissue with proteins from the muscle and happen to be red because red meat (vs white meat) contains proteins similar to hemoglobin. [Extra pedant edit: Ok, all muscle contains the proteins; "red" meat just has more] But it's not actually blood.

If meat wasn't exsanguinated, you'd see red blood coming from pork and chicken as well rather than the clearish fluid you actually observe.

Edited, Sep 27th 2012 9:52am by Jophiel
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#58 Sep 27 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, you eat raw animals without cooking? Are you saying that there are no health issues in eating uncooked food?


I bet sushi makes you feel icky too.

Whatever. More for me.
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Don't get him started on oysters!
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#60 Sep 27 2012 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
I love oysters
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#61 Sep 27 2012 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't get him started on oysters!
Why, are they sneaking looks at his *** in the showers, too?
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I imagine it's because he's black and therefore has a unique perspective on them.
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So, you eat raw animals without cooking? Are you saying that there are no health issues in eating uncooked food?


I bet sushi makes you feel icky too.

Whatever. More for me.


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#64 Sep 27 2012 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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That reminds me of when my favorite sushi joint served beef sashimi. Ultra-thin slices of uncooked kobe beef with a bit of rice vinegar and soy sauce. I loved that dish and I was heartbroken when the health department put a stop to that.
#65 Sep 27 2012 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
Why would they put a stop to that? isn't that essentially the same as steak tartare?
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Why would they put a stop to that? isn't that essentially the same as steak tartare?
I'm going to guess that you have to have a special permit to serve raw beef or pork, due to extra inspections and better processing standards or something. Sushi is different because saltwater fish have less of an inherent viral / bacteria risk due to the salinity of sea water.

Edited, Sep 27th 2012 1:50pm by BrownDuck
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#67 Sep 27 2012 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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The look on a waiter's face when you ask for steak tartare, medium well, is always amusing.
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#68 Sep 27 2012 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Why would they put a stop to that? isn't that essentially the same as steak tartare?


It's so much better than that. I have tears in my eyes thinking of that lost taste.
#69 Sep 27 2012 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
You should probably be punching someone in the face.
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#70 Sep 27 2012 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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My Scallops were Awesome but the Steak was rare...
The licence plate said "FRESH" and it had dice in the mir'r
If anything I can say this cab was rare
But I thought naw forget it......







What?












Why is everyone looking at me like that?


Edited, Sep 27th 2012 2:16pm by Bijou
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#71 Sep 27 2012 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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eiran wrote:
My Scallops were Awesome but the Steak was rare...
The licence plate said "FRESH" and it had dice in the mir'r
If anything I can say this cab was rare
But I thought naw forget it......







What?












Why is everyone looking at me like that?


Edited, Sep 27th 2012 2:16pm by Bijou



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#72 Sep 27 2012 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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I can't believe that joke went undone for four days...in the OoT, for bob's sake.

I am dissapoint.Smiley: frown
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Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.
#73 Sep 27 2012 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Just to make the point, the juice in red meat is not blood. It's a mixture of water in the tissue with proteins from the muscle and happen to be red because red meat (vs white meat) contains proteins similar to hemoglobin. [Extra pedant edit: Ok, all muscle contains the proteins; "red" meat just has more] But it's not actually blood.


The correct answer (in the form of a question of course) is "What is myoglobin?". Smiley: schooled


The concern that one is eating blood or somehow taking an extra risk if your steak isn't "done enough" is silly. As mentioned in that link, beef does not contain the same internal bacteria that is found in chicken and pork. Thus, the only danger is something that is transferred *to* the cut of meat itself while its being handled. That's why it's always a good idea to cook the outside enough to kill any bugs (or if eating raw, carefully prepare the portion to remove any parts that may have been externally exposed prior to you handling it yourself). It's also why you should always brown ground beef completely (cause it's ground, so it's *all* surface if you think about it).


Preferring medium or well as a matter of taste is up to the individual, but there really are specific cuts and preparations that work well with medium/well (typically involving tenderizing and/or marinating and having other stuff than just the meat involved), but if you're ordering a ribeye or strip steak well done, you are basically wasting your money. The cuts intended for steak have a level of natural tenderness and flavor that is designed for less than medium doneness. There are other cuts and other preparations which you should order if you like your meat cooked more than medium, but most of them aren't considered "steak" in a strict sense.

That's just my opinion of course!

Edited, Sep 27th 2012 2:03pm by gbaji
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Friar Bijou wrote:
eiran wrote:
My Scallops were Awesome but the Steak was rare...
The licence plate said "FRESH" and it had dice in the mir'r
If anything I can say this cab was rare
But I thought naw forget it......







What?












Why is everyone looking at me like that?


Edited, Sep 27th 2012 2:16pm by Bijou



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#75 Sep 28 2012 at 2:45 AM Rating: Default
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Timelordwho wrote:
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So, you eat raw animals without cooking? Are you saying that there are no health issues in eating uncooked food?


I bet sushi makes you feel icky too.

Whatever. More for me.


I have no problem with sushi. That's why I said "animals" and not food. Even sushi is prepared before consumption. He compared us to animals and animals just kill and eat. Even then, let's assume that difference is negligent, I'm sure he cooks the vast majority of his meats before eating and he isn't eating raw chicken right out of the coop.
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So, you eat raw animals without cooking? Are you saying that there are no health issues in eating uncooked food?


I bet sushi makes you feel icky too.

Whatever. More for me.


I have no problem with sushi. That's why I said "animals" and not food.

Nope you clearly said food not animals. And seeing as fish are animals yes people do eat raw animals without cooking. His comment about sushi makes complete sense in both the context he is eating uncooked food and raw animals. Preparing sushi doesn't automatically mean 0 possibility of getting sick, it is less likely if prepared correctly. no different than if you cook a rare steak correctly.

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