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#1 Aug 18 2012 at 5:29 PM Rating: Default
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So, the other day I had to reluctantly stay a night in another city and pay for a hotel. After a few reviews/prices of hotels, I had two choices, 4 star hotel or dirty low budget hotel. Since I've been doing the latter on my "Tour de Asia" and probably again during my "Tour de South America", I decided to stick with a "reasonable priced" 4 star. They gave me a room for $129 + a billion in taxes.

Now, when I got to my room, the room was spacious with a nice bed and TV, but I had no refrigerator, no microwave and no free Internet. As I took the glass elevator down passed the water falls that lead to "very large" sized swimming fish, I learned that I also didn't have any continental breakfast in the restaurant sized dining.

Now, I wasn't too upset because I see this all of the time in so called 4 and 5 star hotels. The cheaper hotels tend to have the refrigerators, microwaves, free breakfast and the free Internet. The 4 and 5 star hotels tend to have the ice sculptures, large lobbies with nice furniture, waterfalls and other cosmetic features.

What do you care more about?
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I'm guessing the idea is that if you're staying in an upscale hotel, you're less likely to be eating microwave dinners in your room while watching the free HBO. Since my hotel stays usually involve a wife, a teenager and trying to find a secluded corner to stick a toddler in a Pack n' Play I care more about the microwave and mini-fridge than I do the ice sculpture. Also, free continental breakfast. I don't know if I've ever used a hotel amenity beyond the pool; no business lounges or health stations or day spas or on-site dry cleaning. The on-site bar/restaurants are almost always overpriced. All I really need is a clean room with enough space to put everyone.

Half on-topic, Flea and I cashed out some expiring frequent flyer card miles on a hotel stay at Trump Tower for our anniversary. The room itself is something like $700 a night which means we're probably still dropping a hundred twenty-five bucks in taxes that the miles don't cover. I'll let you all know if it was worth it. On the plus side, it says it comes with a full featured kitchen AND free internet!

Whatever I may feel about Trump as a person, he builds a fine lookin' mixed use skyscraper.

Edited, Aug 18th 2012 6:51pm by Jophiel
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I care that Ugly owns the hotel. That's about it. Smiley: grin

Usually I'm more concerned with price. I don't usually INTEND to spend much time in the hotel room unless I'm sleeping or having sex, and while the free internet might help enhance the latter, a fridge, microwave, or continental breakfast are not needed for these things. I'm mostly concerned with whether or not I feel comfortable laying naked in the bed than whether or not I have the other amenities.
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I'm sleeping or having sex, and while the free internet might help enhance the latter, a fridge, microwave, or continental breakfast are not needed for these things

What are you, Amish?
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I'm sleeping or having sex, and while the free internet might help enhance the latter, a fridge, microwave, or continental breakfast are not needed for these things

What are you, Amish?


Only when I'm on vacation, apparently.
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm guessing the idea is that if you're staying in an upscale hotel, you're less likely to be eating microwave dinners in your room while watching the free HBO. Since my hotel stays usually involve a wife, a teenager and trying to find a secluded corner to stick a toddler in a Pack n' Play I care more about the microwave and mini-fridge than I do the ice sculpture. Also, free continental breakfast. I don't know if I've ever used a hotel amenity beyond the pool; no business lounges or health stations or day spas or on-site dry cleaning. The on-site bar/restaurants are almost always overpriced. All I really need is a clean room with enough space to put everyone.

Half on-topic, Flea and I cashed out some expiring frequent flyer card miles on a hotel stay at Trump Tower for our anniversary. The room itself is something like $700 a night which means we're probably still dropping a hundred twenty-five bucks in taxes that the miles don't cover. I'll let you all know if it was worth it. On the plus side, it says it comes with a full featured kitchen AND free internet!

Whatever I may feel about Trump as a person, he builds a fine lookin' mixed use skyscraper.

Edited, Aug 18th 2012 6:51pm by Jophiel


Use this as an excuse to take pics of yourselves eating caviar and drinking champagne in trump real estate, so you can pretend to your Facebook friends that you won the lottery.
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I care that Ugly owns the hotel. That's about it. Smiley: grin
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I'm sleeping or having sex, and while the free internet might help enhance the latter, a fridge, microwave, or continental breakfast are not needed for these things
What are you, Amish?
I, too, wonder how many Mennonite she goes through.
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm guessing the idea is that if you're staying in an upscale hotel, you're less likely to be eating microwave dinners in your room while watching the free HBO.


Pretty valid point. My reasoning is that if I'm paying twice as much for an upscale hotel, I expect to have all of the stuff that a lower scale hotel has. I get no utilities from the ice sculptures. They don't necessarily need to go away, but utilities shouldn't suffer in support of them. If it's upscale, people will pay for it regardless, so don't take utilities away.

I just believe there should be a greater serving aspect with the more money that I spend. The thing that got me with the breakfast is that the restaurant serves all three meals. It's a nice restaurant, why not just include 3 basic meals in the price? Why not include the Internet in the price? I can think of many reasons NOT to do those things, but the more I pay for a room, the less I feel like I have to do to get something.

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Usually I'm more concerned with price. I don't usually INTEND to spend much time in the hotel room unless I'm sleeping or having sex, and while the free internet might help enhance the latter, a fridge, microwave, or continental breakfast are not needed for these things. I'm mostly concerned with whether or not I feel comfortable laying naked in the bed than whether or not I have the other amenities.


Just had some interesting thoughts just now..
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If it's upscale, people will pay for it regardless
But that's why we charge you more...because you will pay for it. On the plus side, they only pay for what they use, whereas in mid scale, economy or budget, you pay for everything even if you don't use it.
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But that's why we charge you more...because you will pay for it. On the plus side, they only pay for what they use, whereas in mid scale, economy or budget, you pay for everything even if you don't use it.


Exactly. Yet, paying for everything in a mid-scale, economy or budget hotel is still cheaper. I'm with Belkira on this one (OMG, the world is ending), I care more about price, then luxury if I'm with someone.
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Bed Lice... Is what I've learned to expect. Needless to say I'm very thrilled when I don't get it. (Yes, I've had that happen...at first I thought I had crabs, but I hadn't had **** in 2+ years at that time).

I'm very thrilled however if a hotel has the following:
-First floor room w/private door (Quite a few of the Super 8's and other similiar level of hotels around the midwest use them, so it's very common). Parking by your room is a plus, and the door is very nice if the room is smoke free so you only need to step outside.
-Cable
-Internet (Wifi gets bonus points, because we do bring the laptop)
-Pool (Bonus points if there is a Jacuzzi or Sauna)

I can live without the Continental Breakfasts because aside from a glass of OJ or something in the morning, I'm not a big eater when I wake up, and most of the hotels I've been too think donuts qualify as breakfast.
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most of the hotels I've been too think donuts qualify as breakfast.
Welcome to the craptastic that is Super 8's and similar level hotels. Although, Super 8's have improved their breakfast over the years and are upgrading yet again.


Edited, Aug 18th 2012 11:05pm by Uglysasquatch
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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most of the hotels I've been too think donuts qualify as breakfast.
Welcome to the craptastic that is Super 8's and similar level hotels. Although, Super 8's have improved their breakfast over the years and are upgrading yet again.


Edited, Aug 18th 2012 11:05pm by Uglysasquatch


Most breakfasts are pretty pathetic, maybe a muffin, but that's what it makes it worse. So, out of the $100+ that I spend a day, I can't even get a Pop Tart? The hotel that I'm living in now, before I move once again, serves actual food and I only pay $300 a week.
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Stop staying at economy and budget hotels. Most mid-scale limited services include a hot breakfast. Actually, I can't think of one that doesn't.
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You own any places in Hawaii, Ugly?
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Stop staying at economy and budget hotels. Most mid-scale limited services include a hot breakfast. Actually, I can't think of one that doesn't.


I don't think I have a good idea on what "mid-scale" hotels are. If I go by prices, anything $75 or more is at least mid scale to me and I haven't experienced that treatment in the U.S. Overseas, I get hot meals with $40 hotels all of the time, like the US one I'm staying in now. Besides, I'm not a breakfast person anyway, it's just the principle of the fact. I never expect hot meals and am perfectly satisfied with an apple with some juice or water. I just think a hotel that charges more than $100 a day should at least have that.
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I've actually seen an uptick in the breakfasts at the hotels lately but my anecdotes probably aren't statistically significant. I'm used to "bowl of apples and a couple doughnuts" but have seen more hot food trays (eggs, sausage), waffle making machines, some gizmo that produces pancakes off a conveyer belt and stuff like that. Beats a bowl of cold cereal with questionably refrigerated milk.
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No. Smiley: frown
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I assume you were hoping I could help on a rate, so this is the best I can do for that.
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I've had some really good hotel meals in Africa and China, of all places.
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I assume you were hoping I could help on a rate, so this is the best I can do for that.


Not really, but thank you! I just would've given any hotels in your chain preference. We can already get the kama aina rate, which is helpful. Smiley: smile
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I require electricity, a bed that is long enough, and working temperature controlls. Working internet locally is nice, but if not, I bring my own easily enough. Other than that, I don't really expect to spend all that much time in the hotel for the most part. It's generally a place to sleep, recharge my batteries (literally in this case) and check up on things before I head to wherever I am actually going.
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I only require that they accept my employee discount card. Well, that and the basics(no bugs, working plumbing, bed in working order).
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I've actually seen an uptick in the breakfasts at the hotels lately but my anecdotes probably aren't statistically significant. I'm used to "bowl of apples and a couple doughnuts" but have seen more hot food trays (eggs, sausage), waffle making machines, some gizmo that produces pancakes off a conveyer belt and stuff like that. Beats a bowl of cold cereal with questionably refrigerated milk.
I still find it kinda funny how many people are amazed that our scrambled eggs are yellow. Apparently a lot of hotels have been unable to figure out how to prevent their eggs from turning green.
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I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Poldaran.
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Stop staying at economy and budget hotels. Most mid-scale limited services include a hot breakfast. Actually, I can't think of one that doesn't.


I don't think I have a good idea on what "mid-scale" hotels are. If I go by prices, anything $75 or more is at least mid scale to me
Price is what's going to help you distinguish between hotel tiers, but it's not a set amount. Hotel pricing varies depending on the market it's located in. An economy hotel in one market could be $50, $80 in another and $150 in another one. You can only use price in comparison to other hotels in it's immediate area.
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I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Poldaran.
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Then never mix brands of liquid egg substitutes and egg whites.
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I've actually seen an uptick in the breakfasts at the hotels lately but my anecdotes probably aren't statistically significant. I'm used to "bowl of apples and a couple doughnuts" but have seen more hot food trays (eggs, sausage), waffle making machines, some gizmo that produces pancakes off a conveyer belt and stuff like that. Beats a bowl of cold cereal with questionably refrigerated milk.


I have noticed an increase of "hot food", but it's more of bits and pieces of breakfast. As I said, I'm not a real big breakfast person anyway, so it works for me. I just hate the fact that I have to pay extra to eat at a nice restaurant instead of having some type of "free but really prepaid" coupon for a similar type of breakfast ( 1 meat, eggs, toast and juice). Chances are, by doing so, customers will actually order additional food. I would rather have my money go towards that then maintaining ridiculously sized fish, waterfalls and ice sculptures.
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I just hate the fact that I have to pay extra to eat at a nice restaurant instead of having some type of "free but really prepaid" coupon for a similar type of breakfast ( 1 meat, eggs, toast and juice). Chances are, by doing so, customers will actually order additional food.
Stay at a full service hotel instead of a limited service hotel. You won't have a free breakfast included in the price in all likelihood.

If you're not sure what the difference is, let me know. It's completely different from mid-scale versus economy as you can have a full service and a limited service hotel both in the mid-scale range.
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Having stayed in many a hotel over the years. I like a clean room with a spotless bathroom. If your wanting things like a fridge and a microwave? Internet? Then you need to research the place better. These days most if not all have the said amenities already. But as you have found out some upscale hotels have really pretty things and gyms and pools but no fridges and microwaves. These hotels figure that your eating out all the time. Most have several restaurants in house for you to do so.
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Premium Shared – $16.95 per day - download speed of 5.5MBps for up to 3 devices

Business VPN – $21.95 per day - download speed of 5MBps for up to 5 devices

This is a huge convention center and it has 3 restaurants and a smoothie bar. I'll be eating in each one during my stay.
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Not me. I have a learning disability.

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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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I just hate the fact that I have to pay extra to eat at a nice restaurant instead of having some type of "free but really prepaid" coupon for a similar type of breakfast ( 1 meat, eggs, toast and juice). Chances are, by doing so, customers will actually order additional food.
Stay at a full service hotel instead of a limited service hotel. You won't have a free breakfast included in the price in all likelihood.

If you're not sure what the difference is, let me know. It's completely different from mid-scale versus economy as you can have a full service and a limited service hotel both in the mid-scale range.

I didn't know there was a difference, but the names are self-explanatory. Thanks.

I know there wont be free meals, I just don't see why 4 star hotels just don't include reasonable price meals or coupons with your stay. If I'm not mistaken, the point is to have your guests eat there. If people choose not to eat at the restaurant, then the likelihood of them desiring a refrigerator or microwave increases.

Normally I like my freedom to choose and not have to pay for something I didn't ask for, but if I'm paying that much for a hotel, I want to be able to walk down stairs and start eating. I don't expect anyone to give it to me for free, so include it in my stay like with airfares.
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My first job was at a fairly nice steakhouse attached to a mid-service hotel. The hotel complimentary drink at the bar for its customers, up to $5. Trust me, only Alma wants to be the douchebag who proudly bears a coupon for a free bottle of Bud Light.
#36 Aug 19 2012 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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What do you care more about?


Only one thing now (it use to be the free stuff): No Bed Bugs.
I ask to see and to inspect the room. Any sign of them, I jet off.
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My first job was at a fairly nice steakhouse attached to a mid-service hotel. The hotel complimentary drink at the bar for its customers, up to $5. Trust me, only Alma wants to be the douchebag who proudly bears a coupon for a free bottle of Bud Light.


I would totally use that coupon. But only if I planned on staying and having quite a few more drinks. Smiley: lol

A place we stayed at in Kona offered, for five dollars (per person) more a night, a "free" breakfast voucher for the restaurant nearby. You could choose between three meals, the vegetarian meal (fruit cup, cottage cheese, drink), the healthy meal (fake eggs, turkey bacon, drink), or the "classic" breakfast (eggs, bacon, drink). For an extra five bucks, it's worth it, in my opinion. Here in Hawaii, you can't even get a McDonald's breakfast sandwich and a drink for five bucks.
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My first job was at a fairly nice steakhouse attached to a mid-service hotel. The hotel complimentary drink at the bar for its customers, up to $5. Trust me, only Alma wants to be the douchebag who proudly bears a coupon for a free bottle of Bud Light.


I would totally use that coupon. But only if I planned on staying and having quite a few more drinks. Smiley: lol

I would use it as a coaster for a better beer.
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My first job was at a fairly nice steakhouse attached to a mid-service hotel. The hotel complimentary drink at the bar for its customers, up to $5. Trust me, only Alma wants to be the douchebag who proudly bears a coupon for a free bottle of Bud Light.


Why is that? Because it's a coupon? Because it's only $5? Because it's Bud Light? Or a combination of the three?
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If traveling through and just looking for a bed, I really dont' expect much, and will go with the cheapest place - Elkhart, IN Econolodge - 39.99/night. Smiley: smile

If I'm staying over for a couple day I'll look for a hotel with an indoor pool - this has always been my dreamiest luxury. Second would be a place that serves a decent breakfast.

Cheap hotels most all have free wifi now. Seems many expensive hotels still charge, but I think they're taking a beating for that decision and are coming around and opening up their internetz. (last year in downtown Chicago, I had free wifi at the Hilton, but across the street at the Palomar my sis was paying $10/day).
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Why is that? Because it's a coupon? Because it's only $5? Because it's Bud Light? Or a combination of the three?

Maybe cuz budlight only costs three dollars - you're not getting your full coupon value. Go for the Sam Adams I guess.
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What do you care more about?


Only one thing now (it use to be the free stuff): No Bed Bugs.
I ask to see and to inspect the room. Any sign of them, I jet off.

Lol. Are bed bugs pretty easy to identify?
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Only one thing now (it use to be the free stuff): No Bed Bugs.
I ask to see and to inspect the room. Any sign of them, I jet off.

Lol. Are bed bugs pretty easy to identify?
There are a number of signs you can look for that make it fairly evident that a bed bug problem has existed for more than a day or two. If it's a recent infestation, I'm not so sure you can verify short of actually finding the bugs.
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Generally the upscale hotels have much better locations. You're paying for the location, and people want the location so they strip out some of the amenities because they aren't needed to attract people. The hotels farther out from city centers usually aren't as expensive and have more stuff like free internet / breakfasts.
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#45 Aug 20 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
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My first job was at a fairly nice steakhouse attached to a mid-service hotel. The hotel complimentary drink at the bar for its customers, up to $5. Trust me, only Alma wants to be the douchebag who proudly bears a coupon for a free bottle of Bud Light.


Why is that? Because it's a coupon? Because it's only $5? Because it's Bud Light? Or a combination of the three?

Maybe cuz budlight only costs three dollars - you're not getting your full coupon value. Go for the Sam Adams I guess.


Well, I don't like beer, so I don't know their prices. I was just wondering if it's because of the said beer or because the use of the coupon. If it's because of the choice of the beer, then I don't know. If it's because I would use a coupon, then that's just silly to not use a $5 coupon on something that costs less than $20.
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#46 Aug 21 2012 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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The best hotel ever is Embassy Suites. All the benefits of the upscale hotels, with most of the benefits of the lower end hotels, for a price somewhere in the middle. The one we stay in at ACEN has free buffet breakfast (including custom made omelets), free happy hour during the manager's reception, and more or less every critical amenity in the book (including a mini kitchen.) They've pretty much spoiled me for any other convention hotel.

On the road, though, I consider a hotel adequate if it has a soft bed, a full bath (hate shower-only hotel rooms), and doesn't stink to high hell.
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#47 Aug 24 2012 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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So, the other day I had to reluctantly stay a night in another city and pay for a hotel. After a few reviews/prices of hotels, I had two choices, 4 star hotel or dirty low budget hotel. Since I've been doing the latter on my "Tour de Asia" and probably again during my "Tour de South America", I decided to stick with a "reasonable priced" 4 star. They gave me a room for $129 + a billion in taxes.

Now, when I got to my room, the room was spacious with a nice bed and TV, but I had no refrigerator, no microwave and no free Internet. As I took the glass elevator down passed the water falls that lead to "very large" sized swimming fish, I learned that I also didn't have any continental breakfast in the restaurant sized dining.

Now, I wasn't too upset because I see this all of the time in so called 4 and 5 star hotels. The cheaper hotels tend to have the refrigerators, microwaves, free breakfast and the free Internet. The 4 and 5 star hotels tend to have the ice sculptures, large lobbies with nice furniture, waterfalls and other cosmetic features.

What do you care more about?


The higher rated the hotel (4-5 stars, 4 Diamond, etc.), the less you get for free. This isn't because the luxary brands want to rip you off, it's because at a luxary hotel you're also paying for the service. A luxury hotel has a doorman, bellman, valet, front desk agents/mangers, concierge, room service staff etc. while a budget hotel a desk agent & maybe a manager?

For example, budget hotels have coffee makers in the room. Luxury hotels don't, because they sell coffee in house & via room service and it tends not to be instant. This **** off budget minded folks that got their luxury hotel via priceline, but the regular clientele (who's most likely going to be a business traveler who's company is paying for the room) expects it.

I don't own a hotel, but I've been working in hospitality in the Boston area for 12 years, most of which has been in boutique-luxury hotels.
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