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Well, luckily I'm still young enough that 18 is far from ewwww... (and honestly right now, I can't really think of an age where I'd think 18 = ewww)

Oh, I'm not saying it will never happen, just that right now, I find it hard to think of when it would. I probably still have the college mindset... even after 2 years of the real world it's hard to get rid of.

You know what though...

Patricia Heaton and Lisa Edelstein... I'd totally hit that... even though they are like... twice my age (and older than my parents). I would be a happy man.

The rule of 7. I'm telling you, it works.

This used to be my rule too, when I was sort of dating someone almost seven years older.

While I agree in principle to what you're saying, your own earlier arguments somewhat nullify the idea that the 15 year old "could have had a meaningful relationship with someone their age". As you somewhat correctly pointed out, people in their teens don't tend to have "meaningful" relationships. And as others have pointed out, the relationships they have with those their own age are just as fraught with problems as any the might have with someone older.


Look. We live in a society, and that society has norms of behavior. Ours happens to include rules against older adults (men specifically) engaging in sexual behavior with younger teens (girls specifically). I point out the gender because those societal rules have a lot more to do with the historical custom of treating women as property then they do with some sort of desire to "protect" young girls from the evil influences of older men. Over time we've extended that prohibition to include the opposite genders (although we have massively different standards applied both socially and legally in those cases), and have worked hard to convince ourselves that it's about protecting minors, but that does not change the origins of the social rule.


If we were to be more open and honest about the issue, we'd acknowledge that it's not really about dating and freedom for young people to engage in social interaction without older folks getting in the way, but is ultimately about sexual interaction. After all, we don't actually charge adults with a crime because they take a younger person out somewhere. It's actually engaging in sexual activity that we condemn. So it's about that act, not the social interaction. That's important to note because it calls into question even the idea that it's about having "meaningful relationships". It's about sex. Period.


And if we were a more enlightened society, we might then ask the next obvious question. If it's really just about limiting who that 15 year old is having sex with, then which is worse? The 15 year old having sex with another 15 year old, or having it with a 30 year old? The idea that the 15 year olds motives for trying to get into the pants of another 15 year old are any more "true" or "good" then the 30 year olds are absurd. Both just want to get laid. And from a "protecting my child" perspective, both are equally damaging. Are two 15 year olds going to be more responsible sexually then a 15 year old and a 30 year old? Which pairing is more or less likely to result in an unplanned pregnancy or STD?


Right now, it's our own social rules that kinda self-create the problem. Since we have those rules, no responsible older man (for example) would get involved sexually with a teen age girl. Thus, the only ones that do are irresponsible (somewhat by definition) causing those relationships to be abusive and dangerous for the teen. Of course, the alternative (sexual involvement with another teen) isn't statistically much better. Couple that with an increasingly sexually permissive culture and we're basically creating a disaster in this area.


Of course, social norms are pretty much impossible to change. Even suggesting that this isn't the smartest way to go about it will pretty consistently result in allegations that the person suggesting them is some kind of child molester and secretly wants to get it on with young girls himself. And so we continue on with a set of social rules that are inherently contradictory and then wonder why our teens are increasingly screwed up when it comes to matters of sex and relationships.

I'm pretty sure topic education, social standing, and original intent plays a factor here.It may be true that both essentially want to get laid, I think the manner in which they go about it puts either a good or bad spin on it. A teenager would most likely get to know and maybe date the girl first, you know; build some semblance of a relationship before going for the goal. They'd be of similar age group so they'd presumably have a lot in common. In essence, they get puppy love and learn the basics of healthy human sexual interactions along side their peers.

However, a 30 year old most likely wouldn't have much interest in actually dating a 15-year-old girl. Teenage type relationships should be old school to them at that point, so why repeat it? Their relationship would be based on the more sexual side of things, since friendship and kinship are all but out of the picture.



Also as I mentioned above, social standing. It's much easier at that age to judge/deny a peer than it is to judge/deny an authority figure. The adult confidant would be put into a default position of power, where a peer would not. And as they say absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's the difference between a classmate saying to a teen, "hey, we're supposed to have sex now" and an adult saying that.

Granted that's a blunt example, but more gentle suggestions would have a similar effect on a less experienced person who believes they're truly "in love."That's where I disagree. Both may be damaging, but not equally so. Hell ignoring what I typed above, just the social stigma alone attached to the one would tell you that.Now that is truly is dependent on the individual.
My sister got knocked up when she was 17 from a 26 year old. I had sex with the easiest girl in school when I was 16, and I'm still clean & baby free.


(No understating that one BTW, she got fired from KFC for doing the female assistant manager on the greasy floor behind the register counter. And the clincher - my friend was the manager and he had the whole thing on tape. )

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 11:58pm by jklotros

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Hmmmm that rule is actually relatively accurate I guess.


20/2 = 10+ 7 = 17.

Now I probably wouldn't go out with someone who was 17 unless they were exceptionally hot or very close to 18, but the rule is close enough I guess.

It's not as fascinating when the females are both older than the Big Bang.

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