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#1 Sep 11 2010 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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QQ, whining and flames.











There, it's a real PvP forum now.

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Yeah, they actually DAMAGE my priest, sometimes...NERF!!!
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Silly Aethien.

Blizzard hasn't nerfed a class in ages. They much prefer to buff everyone else instead.
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Rogues are my **** on my mage! Nothing more fun than rocking a rogue that's being kited by my healer.
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Rogues are fine, mostly.

What's OP in my opinion is the way the Stealth Mechanics work and the lack of usable counters to Stealth.

I say this in the sense that on my rogue I am able to stay inside the warsong flag room for as long as I want, with a person that knows I am there and is doing everthing he can to unstealth me but he is unable to unstealth me, no matter what class he plays.

Fail counters:

- "AoE nova" spams or walking in circles spamming tab tend to fail because you can see the other person moving around and evade him, and also because you can sap the person approaching you before he can unstealth you.

- "Rain of AoE" work if they hit, chance is one in a million considering the radius of the AoE compared to the size of the room. In case of success I can just vanish.

Most effective:

- Other stealthed Rogues, not so much because they have improved stealth detection but because you cannot see them doing their moving around scanning you and cannot evade them for this reason.

- Warlock's pet stealth detection buff, it can be easily countered by either staying away from the pet if the warlock stays close to it, or sapping the pet if the warlock moves around the entire room.

Now, the best case scenario would be to have a stealthed rogue buffed by a warlock pet, that would probably unstealth you out of the warsong room, still is unlikely to work in places like AB where you have more space to move around. But I'd have to say that at that level it's fine, there's no reason to be unstealthed from a long distance, that would be ridiculous.

I can think of ways to nerf this that aren't terribly bad, one would be to give rogues improved stealth detection while they are stealthed, so that they can see each other at a much larger range frontal cone if both are stealthed, which is actually a buff to rogues but it would introduce a way to unstealth rogues that would be truly effective.

I think stealth should always be able to close range to a target you can flank. But at the moment it can be used as if it was the bigger version of charge, you can just stealth, approach trough the frontal cone of view, open with a 4-sec stun that is followed by a 6-sec stun and a 5-pt evis.

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Now, I can think of ways to nerf this that aren't terribly bad, one would be to give rogues improved stealth detection while they are stealthed, so that they can see each other at a much larger range frontal cone if both are stealthed, which is actually a buff to rogues but it would introduce a way to unstealth rogues that would be truly effective.


I find it odd that you'd say this, when they already gave Assas Rogues an unbelievably strong skill vs. other Rogues in the form of Vendetta.

And you are forgetting Hunters in your analysis. Track Hidden, ftw. And I THINK Track Hidden and Track Humanoids can be active at the same time on Beta. If the servers calm down, I'll log in to check.
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I've never had a problem finding a rogue I know is there. The de-ranking nerf stopped just spamming rank 1 blizzard for the first tick all around the room, but it's still easy enough to sweep the room clean. As a rogue I just waltz around spamming my target-sap macro. They're usually hiding in the house or near one of the two exits so they can LoS AoE.

Actual combat, at least, is balanced around rogues getting the opener.

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Good god.... people actually seriously respond to my obviously not serious thread? Smiley: oyvey
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#9 Sep 11 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good god.... people actually seriously respond to my obviously not serious thread? Smiley: oyvey


I guess some people are just having faulty sarcasm meters today. Besides, we all know how overpowdered rouges are.
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Good god.... people actually seriously respond to my obviously not serious thread? Smiley: oyvey


More accurately, one person did and then we responded to him.
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#11 Sep 11 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is still 2005, right?
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And you are forgetting Hunters in your analysis. Track Hidden, ftw. And I THINK Track Hidden and Track Humanoids can be active at the same time on Beta. If the servers calm down, I'll log in to check.


- Hunters with Track Hidden will only track you after they detect you, and can be evaded while they are running around the room the same way as any other visible class, and by the time they are in range to detect you they are also in range of sap, so you can sap them to prevent them from unstealthing you if you do it right.

Rogues of all colors will agree that using the trinket to break sap isn't a smart move unless you have something really good to gain the upper hand.

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I find it odd that you'd say this, when they already gave Assas Rogues an unbelievably strong skill vs. other Rogues in the form of Vendetta.


Ah, so that's the new version of HFB... It's like the pally wings with extra bang, you can't use invis or stealth to escape from it. Not bad at all.

I can't say it's exactly a counter to stealth in the way I was referring to, you can only apply the debuff after you have unstealthed the rogue, and rogues already have a bleed ability to prevent other rogues from restealthing.

This however is more of a killing ability than an unstealthing ability, I can imagine cheap shot -> this+on use trinket -> pew pew. And you can do it without DoTs.

Edited, Sep 11th 2010 5:06pm by xorq
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This is still 2005, right?


Ah, 2005, the halcyon days of yore. I remember them; days of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. Everything was so much brighter back then. Women were real women, men were real men, and amusing visual bugs were real amusing visual bugs. Bush was freshly reelected, and we all knew we had a good 4 years of mocking Americans to look forward to.

Time is a harsh, harsh mistress.
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Nah - pallies - I'm sick of having to do enough damage to kill them 20 times just to kill them once. >_<
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I HATE Paladins. HAAAAAATE them. I remember one day on my Mage, in WG, where me and a Feral Druid were focus firing this Pally (after I had popped MI, IV and AP, mind you). 45 seconds later and he was still at full. >:(

He wasn't even super geared. Much better than me, with my mediocre AH-purchased set of gear, but the Feral outgeared him.

I THOUGHT we almost had him after I iCSed him, but he used LoH just as the silence wore off.

Needless to say, every time I see a Pally survivability nerf, I smile a little inside.
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I HATE Paladins. HAAAAAATE them. I remember one day on my Mage, in WG, where me and a Feral Druid were focus firing this Pally (after I had popped MI, IV and AP, mind you). 45 seconds later and he was still at full. >:(

He wasn't even super geared. Much better than me, with my mediocre AH-purchased set of gear, but the Feral outgeared him.

I THOUGHT we almost had him after I iCSed him, but he used LoH just as the silence wore off.

Needless to say, every time I see a Pally survivability nerf, I smile a little inside.


Hahaha, Retadins are overrated, I can solo 2 Ret without much effort. I so much as sneeze and a 3rd one dies too. And they're overpopulated too so I've been farming Retadins for quite a large sum of free HKs!!
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I'm speechless that this has evolved into an actual thread.
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I'm speechless that this has evolved into an actual thread.
I know right? This forum is a failure if there can't even be one good drama filled QQ/flame thread! Smiley: tongue
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This forum is a failure if there can't even be one good drama filled QQ/flame thread! Smiley: tongue


A sincere thread growing from one that was begun with drama and QQ, rather than the other way around! I just don't even.
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I can help, bring that wanna be Gladiator Theo and it's onnnnnnnnnnn!!
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
teacake wrote:
I'm speechless that this has evolved into an actual thread.
I know right? This forum is a failure if there can't even be one good drama filled QQ/flame thread! Smiley: tongue


I blame Theo and his newfound love for all things cuddly and cute. Maybe if he would snap out of it, but until then, the threads will pretty much just go:

Person A: I'M BEST!!
Person B: You're an idiot.
Person A: NO U
Person B: No, no, I'm pretty sure you're the idiot.
Person C: What he said.
Person A: AMAGA--
Person D: So, I heard Retadins are hard to kill...
Person B: Not.
Person C: Yeah, they are.
Person A: /wrist

So snap out of it, Theo, and get with the flaming. And Aeth, you can join in. I did not just butter up all this popcorn for no reason.

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And Aeth, you can join in. I did not just butter up all this popcorn for no reason.
I don't even play the **** game anymore.
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#23 Sep 12 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
Just as a warning, if it ever is indeed 'on', don't come crying to me when your posts disappear. Smiley: tongue

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ZOMG XSARUS IS TRYING TO CENSOR US HE OBVIOUSLY PLAYS A PALLY THEY ALL PLAY PALLIES WHICH IS WHY PALLIES ALWAYS GET BUFFED AND MY CLASS GETS NERFED QQ QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
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ZOMG XSARUS IS TRYING TO CENSOR US HE OBVIOUSLY PLAYS A PALLY THEY ALL PLAY PALLIES WHICH IS WHY PALLIES ALWAYS GET BUFFED AND MY CLASS GETS NERFED QQ QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ


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By reverse logic is it you that makes posts with my name I don't remember making?
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That was Jack Daniels.
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That was Jack Daniels.

Also Jose Cuervo.
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That was Jack Daniels.

Also Jose Cuervo.


Theo was correct.

It was Jose.
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Jose Cuervo?

And you really ingest that stuff?
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A PVP forum =O

And dude, this is WoTLK, its NERF RETS didnt you get the memo :P
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And dude, this is WoTLK, its NERF RETS didnt you get the memo :P

LOL I MAKE SPINNY SHINY LIGHTS AND PEOPLE DIE.

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A PVP forum =O

And dude, this is WoTLK, its NERF RETS didnt you get the memo :P

LOL I MAKE SPINNY SHINY LIGHTS AND PEOPLE DIE.

MY MOMMY CLEANS MY KEYBOARD CUZ SHE SAYS I DROOL TOO MUCH BUT HOW ELSE DO I PRESS KEYS I HAVE TO USE MY FACE.


I swear I was watching house when the 2k achievement dinged for me pala... True story!
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A PVP forum =O

And dude, this is WoTLK, its NERF RETS didnt you get the memo :P

LOL I MAKE SPINNY SHINY LIGHTS AND PEOPLE DIE.

MY MOMMY CLEANS MY KEYBOARD CUZ SHE SAYS I DROOL TOO MUCH BUT HOW ELSE DO I PRESS KEYS I HAVE TO USE MY FACE.


I swear I was watching house when the 2k achievement dinged for me pala... True story!


Other than Rogues and Warriors, what classes are trivial to kill as Ret?

I think all of the casters and all of the healers beat ret relatively easy. I'm not completely sure but I do beat them on caster and healer chars without much trouble.

DK vs Ret seems a very close one, I find it tough but then I'm just being stupid with DK and I just focus on spamming Death Strike while rotating cooldowns.

Ret almost never kills me on my rogue but that's because I leave rets alone and go kill the other guy instead. But then that's just level 70-79 bracket warsong.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 6:47pm by xorq
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A PVP forum =O

And dude, this is WoTLK, its NERF RETS didnt you get the memo :P

LOL I MAKE SPINNY SHINY LIGHTS AND PEOPLE DIE.

MY MOMMY CLEANS MY KEYBOARD CUZ SHE SAYS I DROOL TOO MUCH BUT HOW ELSE DO I PRESS KEYS I HAVE TO USE MY FACE.


I swear I was watching house when the 2k achievement dinged for me pala... True story!


Other than Rogues and Warriors, what classes are trivial to kill as Ret?

I think all of the casters and all of the healers beat ret relatively easy. I'm not completely sure but I do beat them on caster and healer chars without much trouble.

DK vs Ret seems a very close one, I find it tough but then I'm just being stupid with DK and I just focus on spamming Death Strike while rotating cooldowns.

Ret almost never kills me on my rogue but that's because I leave rets alone and go kill the other guy instead. But then that's just level 70-79 bracket warsong.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 6:47pm by xorq

Try leaving rets alone in the arena. You'll enjoy it.
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Try leaving rets alone in the arena. You'll enjoy it.


What would be the Ret+Something that is exceptionally more challenging than other comps for a Rogue-Priest or Rogue-Mage team?

(Note: I didn't rate down your post)

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 11:27pm by xorq
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Try leaving rets alone in the arena. You'll enjoy it.


What would be the Ret+Something that is exceptionally more challenging than other comps for a Rogue-Priest or Rogue-Mage team?

(Note: I didn't rate down your post)

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 11:27pm by xorq

Ret/rogue, ret/lock, ret/shaman would all be pretty rough for a rogue comp. Maybe not necessarily for rogue/disc, but almost every other rogue comp would be tough.

Main reason is that ret has so much mitigation against rogues in addition to freedom and bubble.
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I'm still struggling in the arena with my Holy Priest/Holy Priest combo. Any tips?
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I'm still struggling in the arena with my Holy Priest/Holy Priest combo. Any tips?


Get Shadowmourne. It is +1000 to skill.
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Get Shadowmourne. It is +1000 to skill.


Does it stack with Fade?
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I'm still struggling in the arena with my Holy Priest/Holy Priest combo. Any tips?


Get Shadowmourne. It is +1000 to skill.


Does it stack with Fade?


Yea, and it is bugged right now.

The coefficient has an extra 0 in there so abuse it while you can 2 shot people!
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Lol.. sticky.
Xsarus is awesome!!

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 12:58pm by Xsarus
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#43 Sep 14 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
It's like the bored druids thread but with moar abuse of admin powers! Smiley: schooled
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It is completely justified. I bet we will see a lot more nerf rogues in Cata though...

Because...

Well because...

I WILL BE PLAYING MY ROGUE ROUGE TO GLADIATOR (I hope)!!!!!
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Why can't I have my monk class yet? I would eat Rets on that.
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Because we already have a class that can use fist weapons.

Actually, multiple classes.

And monks would just be boosting all the time anyway.
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Monks would be boring to play as well.

It's all just praying and meditating.
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#49 Sep 14 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
I want rogues to have one of their specs let them heal friendly characters by stabbing them. I'd enjoy that.
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#50 Sep 14 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Would it still hurt like a proper stabbing?




also, NERF THEO!!
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#51 Sep 14 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
Does it from behind...
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