Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

Are you seriously correcting 'jealous' w/ 'envy' when they are complete synonyms!?

Understood. You are not being jealous. You are being sanctimonious and self-righteous.

Jealousy was the most reasonable motive I could have guessed.

Its impossible to take you seriously at this point.



And Wow @ Myri
Don't let things like information or fact get in the way of your judgments.
instead of trying to reassess any judgement w/ information, you insist more strongly that your imagined psych-profile of me is correct.
as far as "cheapening" the accomplishment... You really see this as something to brag about huh? Are you different from Zelduh in your motivation? yours is based off gear-envy?

I don't see beating Nyzul 2.0 as an "accomplishment" I see it as a game to entertain me and my friends and the gear as a toy to play with. I wouldn't feel a particular sense of accomplishment for finishing a game of monopoly.. I just have fun playing w/ friends. Do I have to apply your view of FFXI so as to protect your sense of accomplishment from being cheapened? If so, I'm not here to protect your feelings.

neither of you have any credibility based on recent posts.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2012 10:54am by Xilk

I'm not sure if I want to laugh or cry at ItsAMyri's ultra-harsh moralism black-and-white cheater stance at this point. I only used the basic Windower functions - things like being able to see TP and Windower macros - but it got to the point where I didn't care if other people were cheating, because I'd rather my friends cheat and still play than quit the game because the game was just so much pointless ******** that it forced them out. Way back when, when goals seemed more fair and attainable, cheating was frowned upon heavily. But with NNI and Logwatch and Legion and stuff, it's hard to shake the feeling the devs are just ******* with us, so getting banned almost seems like a merciful reminder to get out of here and get on with the rest of your life.

No, they aren't. Envy is "I desire what they have", Jealousy is "I have EARNED what they have, and they have NOT!" (or they have earned it less so). Envy is when you want your buddy's new HDTV. Jealous is when you line up all day for a sale on TVs and somebody who didn't even line up gets the last one because they're buddies with the manager. (Of course the feeling of deserving something more doesn't have to be objectively true, all that matters is what YOU feel you deserve and others do not). So you can see, most of the time people should be using envious, not jealous.

Not here though, jealousy fits here better than envy does ;) Envy is "Man I want that Nyzul gear, too", Jealousy is "I deserve it and the cheaters do not!". Indignation is "The cheaters don't deserve it". So, yeah, jealous works better, but indignant works best. It's hard for some people to believe, but some people are offended by injustice even if it didn't happen directly to them.

What, if I may ask, was forcing them to play? Before they were forced out, that is.

Had you read the thread, you would know that I have done NNI, and as for which part applies to your questions, it would be the sand in the ****** part, you big cry baby.

Video game "accomplishments" had meaning to begin with?

VERY good point! I completely agree with Kodo!

Edited, Jul 22nd 2012 5:44pm by EQOAnostalgia

It's not tradeable.

What... you telling me they didn't ask you about your FFXI achievements during your interview? Here I thought it was paramount to professional growth.

WoW guild leadership was apparently used by some folks to land jobs at Yahoo! a few years back.

Explains why Yahoo! is on its 6th CEO in 4 years.

You either knowingly do harm, or you do not, there is no in between. There are times in life when a decision has no 'right' answer, and in which someone will be hurt regardless of what you do.

This is not one of them. It's a video game. Are you telling me that the lure of a piece of pixel gear is so strong that it simply overrides your sense of morality?

Cheating is not harmless. SE will fix this, and they will do so in a way that inconveniences everyone because of a few people. Look at all the arbitrary restrictions to fishing thanks to fishbots. Look at all the people who got banned simply for gardening thanks to people who ran 15 gardening mules to sell the gil. They didn't 'hurt' anyone, they didnt monopolize any NMs, and they didn't crash the economy... but they got innocent people banned and caused tedious, arbitrary restrictions that we all now have to deal with.



How is this any different at all from making it so that you start on floor 95 every time, but the droprate is 0.1% a la voidwatch? All content is luck based. Most of the time, the content is easy to consistently win and the luck is in the droprate. In NNI, you fight luck to determine whether you win or lose, but if you win you get your prize.

Seriously: 100 successful runs in a row before you finally get the drop, or 99 failed runs before you finally win and get the drop... what's the difference?*



You mean like when you weren't even allowed to do endgame content without a bot (required to claim NMs), and when your 'ultimate' weapon took an entire linkshell over a year to make? FFXI is more accessible than ever. Did you even play back then?



It aged. Adolescents and young adults do not anticipate rewards in the same way. Much of the community started out in the high school range, and now we're in college, grad school, or the working world... and we value our time more.

Further, Abyssea has given us 2~ years of content which is accessible to everyone. The notion that some content might be inaccessible, too hard, or too time consuming for the reward involved is unacceptable to people who feel entitled to the items they crave.

Back in the day, if you couldn't get a relic because you didn't want to run a dynamis linkshell or sponsor runs, you just didn't get a relic and that was OK. To the modern FFXI player, this would imply that the game was broken enough that cheating is required to fix it.

*Aside from the fact that people can and will cheat to get it done faster, while they can't cheat a bad droprate.

P.S.: No one is going to ask about whether or not you won the regional soccer championship at a job interview, either, but you'd still be upset if the other team was cheating.

Because there are so many people who are doing this event totally legit and winning right now, right? It's sure going to suck for all those massive amounts of players.



There is a huge difference, but if you're not able to see the difference now it's unlikely you will be convinced that there is one.

Hint: the difference is (obviously) not with the amount of drops you get. It's more of a morale issue.