Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

People wouldn't do the event at all if the gear was a side-grade or not the best in some slots period. So while sunrider is right, people cheat becuase the event is poorly designed, people do the event becuase the gear is good. So since factor b, the need to cheat to take the luck out of the event as much as possible, is dependent on factor A, The desire to win within a reasonable chance to get the over-the-top-gear, gear is the reason people cheat.

Absent A we wouldn't be having this conversation. This would be another dead at release event like Walk of Echoes. So, Sunrider saying that the gear is only a small factor in why they cheat is just him/her trying to downplay it. To what end I don't know I am not gonna put words in his/her mouth. However that is the point Camile is trying to make.

You're being pedantic, harping on word semantics. Whether you think the event is too hard or too luck based or whatever, the point is still the same.

Instead of simply refusing to do the event and giving SE time to fix it, you (or any other such person) has made the choice to cheat in whatever way suits you to beat the event and get a chance of obtaining the goodies; and most people don't care if you do this. Until such time as you get caught by SE (if ever) you do what you like.

What you cannot do is demand everyone not view you as a cheat or demand everyone think your reasoning for cheating is sound and view you as doing the right thing. Which part of this is so hard to understand?

I just have to point out that while a lot of Nyzul is luck-based, a very significant amount is skill and gear-based. 6 melee RDMs could enter Nyzul 1000 times and win maybe once. Performance matters. Killing quickly matters (hello DRK SAM). Survivability matters (hello Embrava/Regen V). Quick buffs matter (no COR or BRD allowed). Moving quickly matters (powder boots/sprinter's drink). Communication matters (Skype). You need all of this if you want to succeed.

Also I want to point out that no groups that do Nyzul will have 100% win rates unless you use clipper. If you use lamp dats, skype, and a good working relationship with your group, you will have 25%-50% win rate with a good group. If your group is not good then you still won't win. Really, you won't.

I don't want to call specific posters out, but have you tried Nyzul or do you just read about it? What's being discussed is hardly an instant win button. It simply disables SE's instant lose button.

Except you'll never have a 100% success rate. You can throw 4 relic DD + 2 SCH at it, flee hack, run through walls, change all the dats you want and neo nyzul can and will still **** you with endless lamps and 2-3 jump floors if it feels like it. Even with 'cheating' and the absolute best possible setup, your success rate will still be far from perfect.

ITT: People who haven't actually done the event judging those who have.

Edgy post, bro!

You'll find that I actually said you don't and shouldn't have 100% success rate, though, so I have no idea what you're trying to argue about.

I'm not judging you for doing the event, I'm judging you for cheating at it and pretending it's OK.

I'm reminded of a recent magic tournament where this guy palmed a card that should have been at the bottom of his deck and then played it to win the game. Would you say that he was justified? He didn't cheat until it became clear that he needed to cheat to win, and there was no way he could have won without cheating.

That is the argument, is it not? That Neo-Nyzul is unwinnable without cheating? Since when does the fact that you can't win without cheating make cheating justified?

Resist the Man, brah.

I think you just illustrate our point even more clearly.

How aboyt you, yourself, go beat Neo Nyzul without any 'cheating' whatsoever. No Windower, no Spellcast, no .dats, no Clipper. Absolutely Vanilla.

Come back when you actually make a floor 100 run. I won't hold my breath. See you next year or so.

It's a game. SE doesn't drown a sack of dumb puppies because you bent the rules and did something an easier way.

Of course not. They drown a sack of kittens. It's always kittens. Sack of puppies are only used in character devises for Tom and Jerry,

also sylvan your kind of missing the point myr trying to make.Well you got most of it but your answer seems a bit narrow against Myr thought out reasoning, in saying as such that since the gear is 100% for the top floor. It's no different then clearing lets say... Voidwatch which has a less then 1% chance of dropping something for let's say a 90% plus chance of winning. The ratio is the same or better then voidwatch just applied to a different area.

So your saying it's good game design if you have to kill a monster 100 time to get an item verse automatically bad game design becuase you have to attempt to clear an area and winning on the 100th time to get the item at a guaranteed rate?

You do realize by applying the luck to the game play and having skill to increase luck in our favor is closest square has ever given us to the reward system you and the like have been asking for, for years?

Let's look at nyzul in theory shall we. An luck based event where skill increase your likelihood of winning. The quality of gear is based on how you perform. The control square put on this is luck. Granted there is other ways to do this but in theory it should work just as both square and the players would like. However there are people skewing the data keeping square from adjusting properly. But heh yay full circle.

Hmm a great solution would be like an over-time. If you say clear floor 83 and jump to 90 but you time out. It will pull you back to floor 80 and give you 3 minutes to kill the boss there.(1 minute for each floor over capping at 5 minutes. Since you only clear 3 floor up you get 3 minutes.) That way you always walk away with something. And take advantage of the 25 clears to get a piece.

But ahh fever dreams.

Agreed.

Cats are better than dogs.

My guess would be is dogs are associated as "Man's best friend" and "Honorable" while cats come across freeloading and manipulative. So yeah the opposite of honorable? Evil I guess.