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#277 Oct 09 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
If the list were really a compilation of people who had pissed off Taj, the entire Allakhazam user listing would be on that page.
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#278 Oct 09 2007 at 8:58 AM Rating: Default
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And now that we have this list, these people can be kicked from their endgame linkshells for being hacking cheaters, and some sense of justice can be returned to where it belongs.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 9:34am by sonicmonkeys


Besides the ones who are actually the leaders of endgame ls which are a few from the list of people on hades.
#279REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2007 at 9:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You do realize more than likely he just took all the names, stuck them in FFXIah and decided their server based on that info. So its probably all no good info because its just a list of people who bought a third party program with internet aliases.
#280 Oct 09 2007 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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You do realize more than likely he just took all the names, stuck them in FFXIah and decided their server based on that info. So its probably all no good info because its just a list of people who bought a third party program with internet aliases.

Uh no. There's was a .txt source of this list that showed characters listed as actual server, other or unknown.

It's not speculation on his half.
#281 Oct 09 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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And now that we have this list, these people can be kicked from their endgame linkshells for being hacking cheaters, and some sense of justice can be returned to where it belongs.


I guarantee you that most of the serious endgame shells would not do anything about it. If they ban all their cheaters, they won't get claims, and therefore their phat lewtz, anymore.
#282 Oct 09 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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You do realize more than likely he just took all the names, stuck them in FFXIah and decided their server based on that info. So its probably all no good info because its just a list of people who bought a third party program with internet aliases.


Apparently there was also a thread on the ffxiap forums about the list being released. It's correct.
#283 Oct 09 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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people who bought a third party program with internet aliases.

So, did you happen to read this thread at all or..?
#284 Oct 09 2007 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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WeakElvaanBLM wrote:
sonicmonkeys wrote:

And now that we have this list, these people can be kicked from their endgame linkshells for being hacking cheaters, and some sense of justice can be returned to where it belongs.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 9:34am by sonicmonkeys


Besides the ones who are actually the leaders of endgame ls which are a few from the list of people on hades.
Or, you know, the linkshell members of the people "outted" are people that just don't really care. Unless you want to continue believing in the hearts of people, including the countless posters that are "so appalled" by these revelations, that this list will create an uprising of some sort, and justice will prevail.

Maybe I'm jaded after years of being alive, but I'm pretty sure reality isn't so civil minded.
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#285 Oct 09 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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I don't want to camp NMs for hours straight just to have SCRIPT KIDDIES get the claim with no effort whatsoever.


Fixed
#286 Oct 09 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'm jaded after years of being alive, but I'm pretty sure reality isn't so civil minded.


Heck, man. Even if I *AM* nominated for the November PotM thing, I might have to vote for you anyway.
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#287 Oct 09 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Default
lolgaxe wrote:
WeakElvaanBLM wrote:
sonicmonkeys wrote:

And now that we have this list, these people can be kicked from their endgame linkshells for being hacking cheaters, and some sense of justice can be returned to where it belongs.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 9:34am by sonicmonkeys


Besides the ones who are actually the leaders of endgame ls which are a few from the list of people on hades.
Or, you know, the linkshell members of the people "outted" are people that just don't really care. Unless you want to continue believing in the hearts of people, including the countless posters that are "so appalled" by these revelations, that this list will create an uprising of some sort, and justice will prevail.

Maybe I'm jaded after years of being alive, but I'm pretty sure reality isn't so civil minded.



Go read your server forums, it's already happening. My Dynamis linkshell has removed all the members that were on the list, regardless of what HNM shell they came from. Many HNM shell members are quitting if the leadership all use bots. Some other HNM are discussing whether to kick all the revealed bot users.

Sure there are plenty of bot users that will remain in the linkshells, but it sends a nice message to everyone who plays dirty.

If nothing else, everyone now has a list of people to not invite to exp, and /point and /laugh at wherever they go. That's really enough for me.
#288 Oct 09 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Lord Hapernack wrote:
I'm not exactly ticked off or disturbed by people constantly bringing up my name in this thread but moreso that its people who couldn't possibly know anything about my in-game activities. You want to know why I brought up such an excuse right up front? Easy. So far there's noone who can say that it didn't cast a major shadow of doubt on why my name would be up there.

Why wouldn't we know your activities, specifically your end-game activities? You have posted your end-game experience in your signature. Conveniently titled "What is End-Game?", where you have provided us with a pleasant tirade of what is and is not "end game" based on your experience.

So now you have gone from saying that you were not playing for two months during the listed date, to having your account hi-jacked.

I think it's time you stopped posting for a few months.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 12:44pm by patient
#289 Oct 09 2007 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
Well, after a good nights sleep I see this thread as well as all the others are still going.

I say again, to anyone who is on the list and reads this:

I don't care that you only used the radar. Does that make you less guilty of using an illegal program to aid you in cheating others? The fact that you felt the need to be better at someone by using virtual steroids is just sad. And like all the wrestlers, football players, baseball players, etc. you have been caught. Perhaps not yet by SE, but your time is coming. I hope you all quit the game or get banned asap. Oh, and who am I to be so preachy? I'm the guy that got all his gear, gil, and RESPECT by NOT cheating.


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#290 Oct 09 2007 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
well to play devils advocate in slightly in favor of some people who are on the list whether they admit to using cheat or not. Here is a possible thing that can be said in favor of people on the list.

Information is incredibly powerful. One could state that they needed to fully understand the capabilities of people who use such tools so they can be better prepared to deal with people who use it. The saying that it takes one to know one rings very true here. If you are serious about end game then it does mean you can gain a great advantage being able to know what people can do and in many cases know what to look for when the tools are used against you.

Again this doesn't justify using the software but it is a very true counterpoint. To gain access to this software is to see into your opponents possible strategy.

If end game was my life and I took it as seriously as a full time job then yeah I could see my name eventually end up on that list for the reason above if I find myself constantly getting out claimed and beaten down by cheaters.. Thing is I just don't have it in me to go that far. Not because I am afraid of the consequences but rather I just don't agree with the mentality.

you give up all bragging rights at all.
You might as well be a level 1 newb with god gear. You will never prove that it was you who accomplished anything.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 1:46pm by TheCastle
#291 Oct 09 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Well, after a good nights sleep I see this thread as well as all the others are still going.

I say again, to anyone who is on the list and reads this:

I don't care that you only used the radar. Does that make you less guilty of using an illegal program to aid you in cheating others? The fact that you felt the need to be better at someone by using virtual steroids is just sad. And like all the wrestlers, football players, baseball players, etc. you have been caught. Perhaps not yet by SE, but your time is coming. I hope you all quit the game or get banned asap. Oh, and who am I to be so preachy? I'm the guy that got all his gear, gil, and RESPECT by NOT cheating.


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Amen.
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#292 Oct 09 2007 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
Just for the record my last post kind deserved to be defaulted...
I most likely would have rated myself down for that one too.

for some reason I still felt the need to say it..
#293 Oct 09 2007 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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This makes me laugh so damn hard. This dude is in Valour on Ifrit and a couple nights ago he ******* me out for 30 minutes because I stated that Valour was a botting ls. "we are trying to prove we can win against the botters even though we don't bot" Hypocrite from hell. Alot of names on this list don't surprise me at all, but this is just fantastic. This dude literally ran me through the ringer "oh you're just mad cuz you couldn't cut it in valour, etc,etc" Well at least I'm not a cheater that ******* out other people claiming he's not a cheater :D

helllz YES
#294 Oct 09 2007 at 10:01 AM Rating: Default
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patient wrote:
Lord Hapernack wrote:
I'm not exactly ticked off or disturbed by people constantly bringing up my name in this thread but moreso that its people who couldn't possibly know anything about my in-game activities. You want to know why I brought up such an excuse right up front? Easy. So far there's noone who can say that it didn't cast a major shadow of doubt on why my name would be up there.

Why wouldn't we know your activities, specifically your end-game activities? You have posted your end-game experience in your signature.
Conveniently titled "What is End-Game?", where you have provided us with a pleasant tirade of what is and is not "end game" based on your experience.

So now you have gone from saying that you were not playing for two months during the listed date, to having your account hi-jacked.

I think it's time stopped posting for a few months.


That is the most convoluted and flawed reasoning I've ever seen. Are you even capable of logical thought?

You are all clueless as to my endgame activities because you're not in my LS, the vast majority of you aren't even involved in endgame and actually speak out against it, and so far there's noone who's even on my server. You don't even make any sense.

Your "link" is a list of what is and isn't endgame. That's not even remotely CLOSE to being proof of any sort. You alone make your side look 10x less intelligent than anyone else woh just accepts anything without questioning it first.

You can't even quote me right, nor can you even think correctly. It was never two months. It was close to five. Not to mention you managed to prove my point without even meaning to do so. You know absolutely nothing about me much less my endgame activities. If you kept up with me, you would know that my account being hacked was during a period when many people on siren lost their accounts due to this hacker and billions in gil and gil-items were stolen. The story was huge on our server and anyone who is anyone knows about it. You on the other hand appear entirely clueless and clearly had no idea that something of this sort even occured.

My advice to you would be to stop posting on any boards at all, lest you be mocked by every plausible mind in the world.
#295 Oct 09 2007 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Lord Hapernack wrote:
Also I find this interesting but the list is just that... a list. We have absolutely no way of knowing how its being updated or if its just Taj typing in names. Is the whole list invalid? Probably not. Is the entire list valid? To assume so would be a logical fallacy in and of itself.


I have not gotten to experience the end game scene and all the drama and animosity it creates. I also don't know any of the people on that list (didn't go through all the ones that hadn't been placed under a server yet). Also can't say that I care much either way about hapernack or anyone else on that list but I do think that he and a few others have brought up a good point.

We have no idea where this info came from. It's a post on a website. It could be 100% accurate or he could have very easily decided to add some FU's to a few people and put their name on there. We just don't know.

How hard would it be to take the info from his site, paste it into your own website and make it look just like his and add a few names. Then give various people the link you created and the next thing you know all these other people magically used the program. I could take the thing save it, add Pikko, Imperial Ninja, MrTalos, ArTwoKay, bsphil, lolgaxe or anyone else. Pretend that someone else got more info than Taj got and the next thing you know. All those people would be called out as cheaters. Any attempt by any of them to say no they didn't would be seen as them just trying to cover their asses.

The mob mentality can be pretty strong and over whelming. Witch hunts aren't that rare... I guess it's human nature to want to blame someone and we will go after whoever is put before us.

If we want, I came make a site that has a list of all of IGN's gil buyers. I will go through and look at everyones signature files and who ever has their character's name listed I can put it on the website and find some imaginary day that they bought gil and the amount that they bought. I could put on it that I was Taj (until he came across it and hacked into it and destroyed it lol) and many people would see the site and believe it automatically. People who they have known for years, they would automatically suspect that they had bought gil.

Everything on the site may be totally legit. I just think it isn't wise for people to have such blind faith that it is.
#296 Oct 09 2007 at 10:10 AM Rating: Default
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If you kept up with me, you would know that my account being hacked was during a period when many people on siren lost their accounts due to this hacker and billions in gil and gil-items were stolen. The story was huge on our server and anyone who is anyone knows about it. You on the other hand appear entirely clueless and clearly had no idea that something of this sort even occured.

My advice to you would be to stop posting on any boards at all, lest you be mocked by every plausible mind in the world.


So a hacker went around stealing items and buying and installing 3rd party software on your computer?

Hapernack I always liked your posts but now I don't know what to think...
Do you honestly think that somebody would purchase a copy of a program to place it on your machine on your character?

And why you?
You say this person hacked many people and it was a big problem.
Are they all also on the same list?
#297 Oct 09 2007 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Lord Hapernack wrote:
patient wrote:
Lord Hapernack wrote:
I'm not exactly ticked off or disturbed by people constantly bringing up my name in this thread but moreso that its people who couldn't possibly know anything about my in-game activities. You want to know why I brought up such an excuse right up front? Easy. So far there's noone who can say that it didn't cast a major shadow of doubt on why my name would be up there.

Why wouldn't we know your activities, specifically your end-game activities? You have posted your end-game experience in your signature.
Conveniently titled "What is End-Game?", where you have provided us with a pleasant tirade of what is and is not "end game" based on your experience.

So now you have gone from saying that you were not playing for two months during the listed date, to having your account hi-jacked.

I think it's time stopped posting for a few months.


That is the most convoluted and flawed reasoning I've ever seen. Are you even capable of logical thought?

You are all clueless as to my endgame activities because you're not in my LS, the vast majority of you aren't even involved in endgame and actually speak out against it, and so far there's noone who's even on my server. You don't even make any sense.

Your "link" is a list of what is and isn't endgame. That's not even remotely CLOSE to being proof of any sort. You alone make your side look 10x less intelligent than anyone else woh just accepts anything without questioning it first.

You can't even quote me right, nor can you even think correctly. It was never two months. It was close to five. Not to mention you managed to prove my point without even meaning to do so. You know absolutely nothing about me much less my endgame activities. If you kept up with me, you would know that my account being hacked was during a period when many people on siren lost their accounts due to this hacker and billions in gil and gil-items were stolen. The story was huge on our server and anyone who is anyone knows about it. You on the other hand appear entirely clueless and clearly had no idea that something of this sort even occured.

My advice to you would be to stop posting on any boards at all, lest you be mocked by every plausible mind in the world.


A member of my HNMLS is on that list.

He left voluntarily and with a least a bit of dignity. He actually even apologized to everyone before leaving and dropped the pearl.

You? You come here and make up ridiculous excuses while insulting others that are clearly not amused or fooled by them.

I appologize if I "mixed up" some of your mindless drivel and maybe I do not know exactly what you do in game with your LS... but I sure as hell am not on that list.
You are.
#298 Oct 09 2007 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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If you kept up with me, you would know that my account being hacked was during a period when many people on siren lost their accounts due to this hacker and billions in gil and gil-items were stolen. The story was huge on our server and anyone who is anyone knows about it. You on the other hand appear entirely clueless and clearly had no idea that something of this sort even occured.

My advice to you would be to stop posting on any boards at all, lest you be mocked by every plausible mind in the world.


So a hacker went around stealing items and buying and installing 3rd party software on your computer?

Hapernack I always liked your posts but now I don't know what to think...
Do you honestly think that somebody would purchase a copy of a program to place it on your machine on your character?

And why you?
You say this person hacked many people and it was a big problem.
Are they all also on the same list?


Sorry but this doesn't make any sense either. I didn't say anything close to "someone hacked my account, purchased a program and put it on my computer". My account was hacked and robbed during my absence and during that period of time I do not know what happened. I know that the person who had the use of my IDs is also on that list though. Do not try to put fake ideas or illogical theories into peoples' heads because I will dispel them.
#299 Oct 09 2007 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Lord Hapernack wrote:
My account was hacked and robbed during my absence and during that period of time I do not know what happened.

He had proof that someone was buying FFXIApp for his hacked character without his knowledge, but I hear his dog ate it.

Lulz.
#300 Oct 09 2007 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry but this doesn't make any sense either. I didn't say anything close to "someone hacked my account, purchased a program and put it on my computer". My account was hacked and robbed during my absence and during that period of time I do not know what happened. I know that the person who had the use of my IDs is also on that list though. Do not try to put fake ideas or illogical theories into peoples' heads because I will dispel them.


I am not trying to make fake ideas or illogical theories.

The problem is that exactly what you just said in response. its not a very good defense. If anything man I would be rooting for you but what you just said doesn't hold any water at all.. oh man. It wouldn't hold up in a court of law I am pretty sure.

This is exactly why layers always tell their clients to shut up.
perhaps if anything man you should stop talking in this thread ><
#301 Oct 09 2007 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
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Sorry but this doesn't make any sense either. I didn't say anything close to "someone hacked my account, purchased a program and put it on my computer". My account was hacked and robbed during my absence and during that period of time I do not know what happened. I know that the person who had the use of my IDs is also on that list though. Do not try to put fake ideas or illogical theories into peoples' heads because I will dispel them.


I am not trying to make fake ideas or illogical theories.

The problem is that exactly what you just said in response. its not a very good defense. If anything man I would be rooting for you but what you just said doesn't hold any water at all.. oh man. It wouldn't hold up in a court of law I am pretty sure.

This is exactly why layers always tell their clients to shut up.
perhaps if anything man you should stop talking in this thread ><


You really have no idea what you're talking about either. Not to mention anyone who attempts to use this list as proof is nothing but a hypocrit. My defense is the only side in existence right now. Anyone who speaks out against me cannot possibly be correct until they give some evidence. So far all that has happened is every unintelligent person too wrapped up in their opportunity to stand on a soapbox has blindly followed a list created by an admitted multiple-time hacker. If this were a real court, there wouldn't even be a case because so far you have provided zero evidence whereas I have casted reasonable doubt. Don't try to bring this into RL situations because I will always win.
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