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Cautiously optimistic.

If blizzard really was going to put in a holy form I think they'd make it +2-% melee damage taken not -20%

Agreed! This would greatly increase a Priests healing ability in arena.

Because Disc Priests aren't one of the most highly represented classes in high end arena, right? Some classes (read: almost all) have PvP specs. Holy isn't yours.

Lrn2Respec imo. Is it fair that other healers can go in with raid specs? Not really. But then again, no DPS can go in with their raid spec and do well either (well, BM hunters and UA locks maybe). As a shadow priest, I regularly respec 14/0/47 to 20/0/41, because those few point shifts are incredibly important.


There shouldn't be a most-wanted, there should be equals, but that's a different issue. Holy priests are already incredibly good in raids if your raid leaders know how to use them and they know what they're doing (CoH, renew, PoM, and either gheal1spam or gheal7 cancel-casting). Could they use a boost in arena? Eh, maybe, but pretty much everyone has to respec to an arena spec in order to do decently anywho.

I've never shared the fevered longing some other priests seem to have for a Holy Form talent.

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If our WotLK tree contains a well-designed holy form talent, fine. If it contains other well-designed holy talents instead, also fine. I'm not hung up on the concept.

Considering we've got solid options for PVP healing, PVE healing and PVP DPS, I'm more curious to see if the new talents will make Shadowform more powerful for PVP...not that it isn't viable right now, Shadowpriest/Rogue 2x2 is hot.



In a world where priests are in demand for every PVP bracket and for every 5-, 10- or 25-man instance, I'm interested to hear why you suppose our class has more problems than others.

Especially in terms of healing. Seconded.

I simply don't think our class is weighed down with problems that need fixing. I think it has deliberate limitations to balance its obvious strengths, or it would be overpowered compared to other classes.

Take, for example, our defensive buffs. Like many buffs in the game, they can be dispelled...by Priests. And Shamans, and Hunters of course, but one of the many reasons Priests are so desired in all PVP brackets is their dispelling abilities. To give us defenses that could not be dispelled while allowing us to wipe away other folks' buffs would be a little too good.

Or take Mindflay. It's an incredibly powerful PVE spell, amazingly efficient at dealing damage/mana, scaling admirably with gear. Its limited range gives Shadowpriests a PVE restriction that keeps them nervous about drawing aggro...which is just about the only downside to playing a Shadowpriest other than gear scaling. And good god, giving it a 40-yard range in PVP and a talent that prevents spell pushback would be a death sentence to melee.

Or take Psychic Scream. Delicious AOE fear! It must, absolutely must have a substantial cooldown; anything under 20 seconds would be far too strong, and you can get it down nearly that far with gear and talents.

The class does have some padding in the talent trees--you mention Lightwell, which would be a perfectly good ability if others in your raid could use it properly. Improved Fade is perhaps a better example of a useless talent. Sure, Blizzard should replace it with a talent we might actually want, and do the same for every class in the game while they're at it (and I'd also like a pony, please, Blizzard.) But this is a problem you can fix yourself...don't take Improved Fade.

I apologize if my tone sounded hostile to you, by the way. Your perspective on the matter is perfectly reasonable, although I do disagree.

A) Priests are highly represented in all 3 arena brackets as disc, so you already got your viabilty (not saying that you shouldn't have other trees viable as well, just that you weren't the class worst off)

B)A PvP specc'ed druid can't really bring his specc to raids - at least not serious ones. He wastes 11 pts in feral and at least 8 pts in balance. And then again, many druids are brought to raids because of their tanking abilities (feral) and not their healing abilities, so they would have to respecc, AND have another set of gear.

I hope this doesn't sound too hostile, I'm just saying that you aren't the class that's worst off (neither is druids who at least excel in 2s, and do ok in 3s).

I'll still be happy if it's only a self-buff for mobs, because people will QQ on the O-boards until they finally give it to us.

Either way, we get it. :D

Ok, that update wasn't there when I posted the article. Oh well. Time to go QQ on the o-boards.

Well if you sont know from xp in arena palies are one of the most ****** healing classes in 2v2. Since there are only 2 targets for either team and the paladin has to expose him/herself to heal their target, they are volnerable to everything.

A druid and disc priest imo are the best healing classes in 2v2. The hots and bubbles from priest are sufficient enough to los any mana burns/direct damaging attacks.

A paladin on the other hand will be destroyed in my 2v2 team and will be oom in seconds. Bubble you say??? Dispelled in .5 seconds opining him back up for mana burns and viper sting.

Its not hard to bring a paladin healer out in the open, DPS his target.....

Was sarcasm. Priests and druids own arenas, and pvp, paladins and shammys are locked down and rendered useless (read: Mana burn, MASS DISPEL).

Edit: If this whole "holy form" thing is real, with -% damage.. I will QQ forever =/. (I guarentee we will get nothing, lol)

Edited, Feb 21st 2008 11:08pm by Kassira