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#1 May 23 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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First and foremost I don't remember my password because I rarely come on Alla I had a different name CharunSylph but had to make this one so that's why only 1 post.

On to the topic at hand. My linkshell will be facing off to Kirin Monday the 26th for the first time. We have 5 pops and I'm currently looking for people who maybe want to either 1. join the ls, or 2. help out for the fight. At the moment we have around 20 people who come to each sky but for Kirin I'd like to see a bit more. If you can come for either reason I ask that you send me a PM in game and not on here because honestly I don't check all very often due to the nature of the people here and flaming non-stop. Not my cup of joe really. We gather at 9pm EST and plan on popping all 5 if time/attendance permits. Primarily we are looking for PLD, WHM, BLM, BRD but really any help will be great at least for the spawns after which my LS should be able to handle Kirin. Again though I have only faught him a handful of times and was over a year ago. If you have some insight please enlighten me in game.

Thanks in advance and happy adventuring.

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#2 May 25 2008 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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Just to let you know my ls has a kirin planed for the 26'th, we start earler than when you plan to start, but will probly be fighting during the 9:00 hour, just wanted to let you know.

btw with ~20 people fighting your first kirin expect ~1 1/2 hour fights each. with 15-30 min regroup (fix kite pt and fully recover). so about 2 hours per kirin.

Edited, May 25th 2008 10:51am by Takhisi
#3 May 25 2008 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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If anything wouldn't the fact your linkshell is going to be there speed things up for both of us. Assuming we are CFH on the spawns. I don't see why we both can help each other seeing as their is a time conflict.
#4 May 25 2008 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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lol CFH mini's just gets people killed espicaly when there new. and minis take 10-20 min... those are fast Kirin takes 45-1 1/2 hour
#5 May 25 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Okay then, we will have over 18 people and the only way to get more people to kill quicker is to CFH. By that I don't mean have 10 people solo on mini's waiting to die because of no healer I mean have setup parties ready to handle them just fine. If you don't want to exchange help it's no big deal but that's how we are going to do it.
#6 May 26 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Depending on your setup you should be fine with what you have. This is probably the best example of a perfect setup with about 20. Hope it helps :)1

Edited, May 26th 2008 10:42am by neinasecretgalka
#7 May 26 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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neinasecretgalka wrote:
Depending on your setup you should be fine with what you have. This is probably the best example of a perfect setup with about 20. Hope it helps :)1

Edited, May 26th 2008 10:42am by neinasecretgalka


Damn, I clicked it.
#8 May 26 2008 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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#9 May 27 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Default
If it takes you 10-20 mins to kill the mini's you fail miserably. At most should take a total to kill all 4 mini's about 5-10 mins. And on top of that if you have 18-24 people that know what they are doing you can kill Kirin in 30-45 mins.
#10Rahkis, Posted: May 27 2008 at 9:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Try 50seconds to 2min.
#11 May 28 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
Rahkis wrote:
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And on top of that if you have 18-24 people that know what they are doing you can kill Kirin in 30-45 mins.


Try 50seconds to 2min.


Yeah if you melee burn but that requires Pimp DD's and bards with lot's of cure support which I'm sure the OP doesn't have access too. And you're the only person to have mentioned anything resembling that method. For a linkshell just starting to do Kirin the safest way to kill him is the kite method and kill mini's so the melee burn shouldn't even be attempted till you're sure you have the people with the knowledge and skill to do so.

Edited, May 28th 2008 9:48am by ElfhelmtheRed
#12 May 28 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Well no one showed up to help and we were really short handed but we won with a lot of deaths XD. Pole and Cloth ftl. Can stop replying to thread as it was of no help to me or anyone else it pertained to. Peace.

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#13 May 28 2008 at 9:44 PM Rating: Default
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Congrats on your first Kirin win. Did you have to zombie claim it?
#14Rahkis, Posted: May 29 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't knock it till you try it. Tpburn kirin is significantly easier than the 30min-2hour fight and needs fewer #'s as well. You don't need pimp melee, you need:
#15 May 29 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I just noticed I was rated down on my own thread.... Gotta love this community.
#16 May 29 2008 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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#17 May 29 2008 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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I've noticed this with Sylph's forum in particular. It's like anything that gets posted here is automatically rated down.

Back on topic: I've never seen or heard of anyone killing the mini's in "50 seconds to 2 minutes" considering it takes more time than that for Kirin to spit them out. If one is to kill him in that amount of time they would have to kill him before any mimi's are allowed to spawn.
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#19 May 30 2008 at 8:11 AM Rating: Default
Rahkis wrote:
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And on top of that if you have 18-24 people that know what they are doing you can kill Kirin in 30-45 mins.



Try 50seconds to 2min.


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Yeah if you melee burn but that requires Pimp DD's and bards with lot's of cure support which I'm sure the OP doesn't have access too. And you're the only person to have mentioned anything resembling that method.


Don't knock it till you try it. Tpburn kirin is significantly easier than the 30min-2hour fight and needs fewer #'s as well. You don't need pimp melee, you need:

2x brd
2x whm
2x rdm
1 pld
8-10 melees with good 2hours + 1 thief and 1 drg
miscellaneous support

1)Whm rotate pts to pro/shellV everyone
2)Bards Soul Voice Minx2 Marchx2 the 2 melee pts
3)Melees 2hour right before pop+Feint
4)Pop>Angon>Pld Invincible/Sentinel
5)???
6)wlegs!






When did I say I hadn't tried it? And yes you need pimp melees to make it effective. I've done this. You don't need 2 hours to beat him down tp burn style except for maybe the brds 2 hours. We were talking about a shell just starting out doing kirin's whose focus should be to kill him the safest way which was the kite method.
#20 May 30 2008 at 9:23 AM Rating: Default
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If one is to kill him in that amount of time they would have to kill him before any mimi's are allowed to spawn.


Yep kuwoobie, thats the idea ^^

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And yes you need pimp melees to make it effective.


No, no you don't. Need pimp 2 hours and 2 Bards.

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focus should be to kill him the safest way


Sooo, zerg then?

Anyways, so you don't agree and like to ratedown, whatever, thats great.
See you when you reach 2008.

#21 May 30 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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It is very possible, there are various vids on youtube also if you want to go look for it.

However the vid I saw WAS done by a group of well geared people so I cannot say how well that can be done for a group with average gear.

The group I saw done it with around 1min.


Problem of this method:

It involved everyone to burn their 2hr, so if you want to do a second Kirin, you will have to come back in 2 hours time.
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#22 May 30 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
Rahkis wrote:
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If one is to kill him in that amount of time they would have to kill him before any mimi's are allowed to spawn.


Yep kuwoobie, thats the idea ^^

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And yes you need pimp melees to make it effective.


No, no you don't. Need pimp 2 hours and 2 Bards.

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focus should be to kill him the safest way


Sooo, zerg then?

Anyways, so you don't agree and like to ratedown, whatever, thats great.
See you when you reach 2008.



Safest way I'm afraid to tell you isn't a TP burn as Kirin can still 2 hour and destroy your melee's. And once again you don't need 2 hours to tp burn him down except for brd 2 hours but apparently this concept seems to evade you. I've been in 2008 and have done it kite method and TP burn and I still prefer the kite method as it's proven time and again to be the safest way to kill Kirin

Edited, May 30th 2008 1:34pm by ElfhelmtheRed
#23 May 30 2008 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
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And once again you don't need 2 hours to tp burn him down except for brd 2 hours but apparently this concept seems to evade you


Ahh, I don't really care if you use 2 hours or not, but its the safest way to zerg kirin. Go ahead don't if you want lower margins for win. I don't see how you go from "you need pimp melee" to "you don't need to use 2 hours".

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Safest way I'm afraid to tell you isn't a TP burn as Kirin can still 2 hour and destroy your melee's.


And whats stopping Kirin from 2houring and wiping alliance during a kite fight. In fact, if you kill him in a minute its likely he won't use 2hour, on a kite fight hes pretty much guaranteed to.

What have you got against kirin zerg lol, I'm just saying its a good way to kill kirin and not very tough or hard to setup, and it actually requires fewer people in my estimation.

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It involved everyone to burn their 2hr, so if you want to do a second Kirin, you will have to come back in 2 hours time.


Yeap, thing to do is zerg him down, go farm some triggers/gods, then come back. Or cut off an hour or two off your night by zerg first one, then kite fight second third etc.

If you have around 18-24 people including those elements I was speaking of, its worth it to give it a go. There are variations as well, kite until all minis dead then zerg him etc.

Anyways gl to op whatever way you take him down.
#24crissagrym, Posted: May 30 2008 at 5:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am not even in a sky LS anymore.
#25Rahkis, Posted: May 30 2008 at 6:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you probably already have a ls? pls send pm if interested in one, can look into things
#26Dread Lord ElfhelmtheRed, Posted: Jun 02 2008 at 10:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Having pimp melee's means you don't have to use 2 hours unless you absolutely need too. And once again the only person to have brought up the Zerg fight is you. I have yet to see any linkshell take him down in a minute or less. Most usually take him down in 1-2 minutes doing it melee burn style. And actually it takes more planning to set up a zerg kirin than it does to kite and kill mini's. I never said I had anything against doing a zerg Kirin and actually your estimation is wrong. It requires just as many or more people than a kite fight does. The reason being is that you have to have outside people healing the melee parties killing kirin. How many Kirin's and how many years have you been doing sky?
#27 Jun 03 2008 at 2:05 AM Rating: Default
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Having pimp melee's means you don't have to use 2 hours unless you absolutely need too.


By then its too late. I'm not sure how pimp the op ls is if they are just starting kirin.

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And once again the only person to have brought up the Zerg fight is you.



Because its the best way to take Kirin down safely(fast) and with fewer numbers. If something goes south, can always default to kite strategy.

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I have yet to see any linkshell take him down in a minute or less.


I saw Aurorals take it down in 53 seconds.

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And actually it takes more planning to set up a zerg kirin than it does to kite and kill mini's.


Like telling your bards to SV then rotate songs, thats pretty advanced...

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How many Kirin's and how many years have you been doing sky?


Something like 3 years and probably over 50 kirinsz.

Anyways, kite method is fine, but any ls doing kirin should zerg it once in awhile.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 6:08am by Rahkis
#28crissagrym, Posted: Jun 03 2008 at 4:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am not in a Sky LS anymore, especially there is nothing I need from it anymore.
#29 Jun 03 2008 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Rahkis wrote:


I saw Aurorals take it down in 53 seconds.


Yep, no Relics, Kclubs etc either.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=edim0nqH6GI

This wasn't like some crazy aberration either. We did one on sunday that didn't go that well and it still was only like 1:15 supposedly. That zerg had probably only 12-13 dds, one of which was a pup. 1337nees not required for the DDs, just brd songs.

I'm not 100% sure that video is the 53 second one, might just be another that was under a min.
#30 Jun 06 2008 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Many valid points in these posts. I, like others, think that starting sky shells should look to the kiting method to kill Kirin. Problem with that is if your tank(s) dont have wyrmal legs, stonega IV and stone V can kill quickly and muck things up for you.

On the zerg fights, one trick is to put heavy DD (DRK, SAM) in with the Paladin so that he can RAMPART just prior to Kirin's Astral Flow. I typically hit it around the 60% health mark as damage comes so fast. Minimal damage to the "tank team" this way from Astral Flow and even if you lose a few DD in the other parties, you have significant killing power to finish the fight. Also, your Paladin needs to merit GUARDIAN so sentinel doesnt bleed hate too quickly and make an issue of hate control.

To be honest we rotate three bards, double march, double madrigal, double minuet. Paladin pops Kirin (there is a delay for "who disturbs me" text) right at the 6th song. I pretty much F8 target, voke, sentinel, defender, warcry, Pally Pimp Slap (shield bash), flash and cure IV myself. Then "normal" straight tanking till about 60% when it is rampart time. Once astral flow is off, COVER heaviest hitting DD (usually DRK) and dump a Cure IV into someone. I use invincible when my sentinel wears.

Fights last from 53sec to about 90 sec.

Not a lot of coordination or planning needed - just dont do stupid stuff like ranger slug shot, barrage, slug shot, EES and pull Kirin away from meelee.

Once you zerg this bad boy no one wants to kite. Oh, and for the 2-hour issue, roll up to sky farm and start it off or end it with a Kirin Zerg. Make it more of a routine thing than a special event. Soon as you get Kirin pop sets, start using them. No need to do a bunch all in one day.

It is an awesome feeling though, after hundreds of kited Kirins, to be able to kill Kirin in less than a minute. You simply go "Wow", we did that. You realize as a linkshell you have gone beyond the norm and have become a great sky linkshell.



Edited, Jun 6th 2008 8:50am by Fasl
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