Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

If you see a BST seekingFollow

#1 Oct 20 2004 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
***
1,046 posts


Bradygames has consistently misinformed the FFXI community about how BST works, so I am attempting to help correct that here.

Please take this into account before you pass over them:

- BST broth pets do not cut into party exp, only the BST's exp.

- If the BST uses pets stronger than the party (T- con to the highest level) then the party's exp will be affected. Most BSTs understand this and stick with EM/DC or broth pets only. Sometimes emergencies require a VT/IT be charmed and led away from the party, but as I stated, that should be emergency only.

- While many BSTs solo, and can solo well at most levels, BST is not a "solo only" job.


If you are wondering just what they can do for you or what use they might be in a party, here's a bit more info:

- BST often solo with the WHM (or RDM) subjob. Really, soloing 30,000+ exp per level who would want anything but? That being said, however, any melee job can fill that sub slot pretty well with the exact same benefits. I seek and have THF and WAR subs available, but usually have seek turned on while I'm soloing waiting (hoping) for an invite. So if you get nervous about the utility of a /WHM sub, remember that a BST seeking to party in most cases should have alternate subs to choose from, much like any job.

- The roles for which BST can be considered would be DD and crowd control. In my opinion (61BST so far, don't know everything but I know a few things), a BST in a party acting as DD would be optimally equipped with the same +gear you would expect on other melees (generous combination of +atk and +acc), but would also be using Jug pets for every fight possible. (We can summon one every 5 minutes.) As a stand-alone fighter without jug pets (or local DC/EM mobs), BSTs aren't giving everything they can to a party

The jug pet cuts the BST's personal exp reward by 30%, but that's considered to be part of the job. Ninjas burn gil on shihei, Rangers on arrows, and BSTs burn exp and some gil on jug pets. Any BST with consideration for their party understands this.

- One role for which BST works perfectly is in providing a trick partner for THF and tank players, much in the same way Summoners do. Pet-pull the mob and let the THF and tank position behind the mob. You basically have a SATA partner for no cost at all to the party in terms of healing, or risking death if your THF happens to be slow initiating SATA.

- BST can pull from a linked pack just like summoners can. Take Knight Crawlers as example. 5 Knights are sharing space trying to make Crawler Eggs and you need to pull one. Send in pet, all 5 jump pet. Stand out of detection range of the other 4 and release the pet... and only one mob comes. There you have instant pull, link-free.

- BST is the only job in this game that can reset hate on charmable creatures. By reset hate, I mean we can charm it, lead it away from the party, and release it.. and it's as though the mob never knew anyone was there. This works well in zones like CN, Temple of Uggalepih, Onzozo, Sea Grotto, and so forth. In being able to do this, it's also possible in many cases for BST to move further into dangerous areas without sneak/invis as they can just charm and release whatever bothers them.

- If you have a link while fighting no-charm mobs, then naturally you'll need to have someone in the party sleep the thing, or occupy it elsewhere. BST in this situation can put their pet on the link and, if nothing else, keep it busier for a lot longer than it would be if sleep failed to stick.

- BST are A+ axe and A- scythe. Notable WS we get are Rampage, Mistral Axe, Decimation (I think). Basically we get every Axe WS there is, and a variety of the scythe skills.

Should you decide to invite a BST into your party:

- If/when you check their gear and see little to no combat enhancement equipment (accuracy, atk, str, etc.), ask if they have two sets of equipment. Lots of us have a "charm suit" and a "fight suit" and switch back and forth as needed. Don't just assume they're entering each combat with Hope Rings on. ^^ If they do not have any combat enhancing gear, and engaged combat is where you'll want them to be... well, they're underequipped. NIN without Utsusemi gets no groups, DRKs without some kind of accuracy bonus gets no groups (or should get no groups, anyway), BSTs not equipped for their assigned task also do not belong.

- Going with the above point, if there are no pets near camp they can use (A party fighting Torama in Onzozo can have a BST who charms a Manta or Mushussu pet), they need to have a generous supply of broths. If the BST isn't using pets at all, they aren't doing their job.

- Don't expect the BST to pop out 4-digit numbers on light/dark skillchains. If you want to measure them, measure the total damage per fight from them + their pet, and unless something is very wrong, I doubt you'll find anything negative in those results.

- BST can widescan, so if you lack a RNG then have the BST pull.

As for BST roles in other specialized functions, like Promyvion, HNMs, Dynamis, etc.. I'm only a 61BST so I can't really speak to their role here. I can tell you that BSTs are perfect in BCNM fights with charmables (rabbits, mandragoras, sons of anansi), we can solo multiple coffer key mobs (crawler nest, garlaige, sea grotto, kuftal, boyahda, more), we're exceptionally nice to have around for anything in the Temple of Uggelapih to keep the Wespes and Toramas off the party, and I'm sure there are other good places as well.

I've not yet been to any promyvions, but as I've heard it's usually a distance-damage+mage party there I'll probably go as BLM. I'm not so naive as to think BST is perfect in every situation, but I've yet to see or hear of any 6-person exp party or mission event (rank 1-10, zilart) where BST can't be a welcome addition.

If anyone has anything to add, please do so. I originally posted this on Midgarsormr forum, but I'm going to put it elsewhere as well. Who knows, it might help correct some misperceptions.


____________________________
70 mage
60 hunter
39 rogue
#2 Oct 21 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
Revolving Door Inspector
Avatar
*****
12,727 posts
Good info! Rate up!
____________________________
FFXI: Exodus @ San d'Oria since November 19, 2003, Siren Server
FFXIV: Turk Kalahai @ Gridania, Balmung Server
Rift: Kalahai @ Sanctum, Faeblight Server
Exo @ YouTube | Exo @ Tumblr | Exo @ Twitter | Cheese
#3 Oct 21 2004 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,395 posts
Great post about a common misconception that so many people (including those that write strategy guides professionally; eg., Micheal Lummis and Liz Hollinger of Brady Games) have. This post should be stickied.

I've personally solo'd all but 3k of my exp (Lv56 BST) because I prefer it that way... but I am now at a stage where I'm going to need some parties because of the groups of Lv55+ gil sellers that camp beetles Garlaige now (beetles are Lv55+). I've recently leveled my NIN in preperation for joining parties; a BST dual wielding axes (with stat bonuses) + the damage of a pet can rival anyone in total damage output.

Sample BST/NIN: 2x Viking Axes, Life Belt, Royal Guard Collar, Valkyrie Mask, 2x Spike Earrings and Lv55 Royal Guard Body and Leg armor and BST AF Gloves and Boots and a Meat Kabab and you've got a melee with with +34 Accuracy, +27 Attack (an additional +21.9% Attack from the kabob), +13 DEX and +10 STR. Then you can add some nice pet damage on top of that; most of my pets do 50+ damage to IT mobs alone.

Trainable pretty much covered everything else, but I figured I'd throw a sample BST in the mix to show what they're capable of doing. So please, folks, don't just pass by a BST looking for a group because you think they're weak or that they're pet will nerf your exp. It's all an urban legend, lol.
#4 Oct 22 2004 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
29 posts
Dude, you MUST post this in the main forum. I've been looking for a post like this, but all you find in the bst forum is the exp part. You could really educate some people in the main forum. Just ignore the ppl that'll flame, and they'll go away. XD
____________________________
Krusty
Taru
52pld/21blm/36whm/43war/29mnk/24rng/19thf
#5 Oct 22 2004 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
70 posts
Cheers trainable! That's a very nice breakdown of the stigma that that god-awful book has caused yet another great job (war, mnk, and thf also come to mind). Definite rate up, although I agree w/ xKrustyx in that it may open some eyes if it were in a less clandestine location.

Climhazard, I also both agree with you and have rated you up. A bst can bring so much to a pty it's not even funny and they can be extremely flexible in their roll in the pty. Not to mention there are so many corn-ball monikers that can be used when you tell the pty you invited a bst:

/p All I'm saying is give Beast a chance
/p Ok guys I'm gonna adopt a Beast

I could go on, but seriously, a good bst will reward an exp pty time and again.

Helel: WAR for Life!
Siren

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?45886
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 15 All times are in CDT
Anonymous Guests (15)