Any Impact On Shiva? Se strikes back against RMTFollow

Superstars are still around. I just checked this morning and they're still in their favorate zones SSG and Kuftal tunnel.

That would be a nice thought.

We all know that even if they did nail the main guys as well as the mules they'd just create new accounts and come back. It might slow them down for a month but given that can be on all the time it wouldn't really take them more them a month to get back and running again.

It'll be interesting to see the effects removing that much gil out of the system will have. I haven't checked prices lately and probably won't till I get back from vacation.

These measure do nothing to prevent the existence of Gil Sellers in the game. It is easy to make new accounts, buy accounts, etc. I like the fact SE nixed 300 Billion worth of Gil from the economy, but I am annoyed that SE did not state which servers were affected. We have no idea if any of these measures have an impact on Shiva.

SE could do alot of stuff to fix the problem. One major problem is the ability of honest players to earn gil using npc stores. Basic farming of items and trading to npc for cash. The sheer cost of items on the AH makes this a waste of time. How many tiger hides would you have to farm to buy a 30,000,000 Juggy - LOL. The easy fix would be to reduce the total amount of gil that can be stored under Player acconts. As of now I think the Max is 99,999,999 (no idea for obvious reasons). I would force the max to be 5,000,000/per account (not content IDs). Items on the AH would adjust in price, and it would be feasible to farm and trade items to npcs to earn gil. Players would still spend hours farming for the high-end items but it would be an option. An option none of the current players now have.

Just a thought.

If anything its moral blow to the Gilsellers themselves. Yes they can start over again, but, having what like 2 years worth of effort and time put into making this scam(yes scam) be cut in a couple of days really hurts. It may take them another month to get everything up to normal speed again, but if this is the case SE has found a fairly good solution to the problem of Gilselling, making Gilselling work against itself. I.e Making the Gilsellers start all over again, it doesn't take a Ecnomics major to figure out that it won't take long before Internet currency sellers to lose interset if they have to start production over again countless times. It's like what Sophus said about the stored Gil, sure a RMT team can take down Serket and have a Claw to sell, but after that they have nothing because they have nothing to fall back on. Thus slowing down sales and generally causing problems for them.

> These measure do nothing to prevent the existence of Gil Sellers
> in the game. It is easy to make new accounts, buy accounts, etc.


I disagree, at least in regards to existing gil sellers.

Eliminating 3 billion gil from the server means that gil sellers have lost about $54K Real Life U.S. dollars. I'm thinking that's pretty significant amount for a niche business.
(That number arrived by taking IGE current Shiva price of $35.99 for 2 million gil. 36/2,000,000 = 0.0018% U.S. dollar-to-gil exchange rate. 3,000,000,000 * .0018% = 54,000 )

You can also see the effect of the actions on IGE. They only have 2M gil shipments available for Shiva. Where as Fenrir has as much as 100M gil shipments available.

Edited, Thu Feb 9 19:39:07 2006 by Unixium

you can hold over 100mil gil silly krugerwill.

/sea all oo

I only tried once last night, but got nothing. I've harrassed a couple of those guys before and I'm kinda happy to not see them, incase they have a little list of "Taru's to punt" written down anywhere :P

Btw, Unixium, whilst at work today, I was chatting to a friend about this, and we were discussing real world money prices of in game currency in Eve aswell as FFXI, and I worked the 300billion deletion out at costing US$5,398,500.00, or AU$7,297,582.29 at current exchange rates.

One or both of us probably got a digit wrong there :P

Edit

Unixium not Sophus >.<

Edited, Fri Feb 10 00:24:23 2006 by Xamerkapsy

The Gard's are still here, as are the Superstars, and I saw Crtyu in Oldton Movapolos. Did /sea all Oo's, got nothing, doesn't mean their gone though. Anybody who's camped varios NMs against them, such as in Beuadeux or Giddeus knows the tend to DC alot. Of course they MAGICALLY come right back a few mins before the spawn, and still get claim. Why can't they just stay down?!


But I also have another theory on this.

Who knows who the actually Gilsellers are? Obviously the gilbuyers do. But if you were to buy gil from IGE, is it Gard-whatever or Superstar-whatever that sends it to you? Of course it isn't. Why? Because they are ALWAYS all in Kuftal Tunnel or SSG. The only times they aren't are when they kill, get drop, and then one of them warps to Jeuno to list it on AH. IGE promises to send you the gil within a relatively short period after purchase. And gil isn't bought sporadically. It's not like IGE flips out with "OMFG somebody bought gil on Shiva today, now I can eat lunch with the assurance I can afford it". It's more like "50 people bought gil on Shiva today, by next week I get my new car". Since that's more likely the case, if Gard/Superstar was actually selling/sending the gil, they'd be warping back and forth from SSG to Jeuno every 15mins, which isn't the case.

So those guys are the gilfarmers. They get the item, and sell it, then take the gil from their deliverybox and send it to somebody else. And that's the guy who sends you the gil after you buy it from IGE. So maybe the gilfarmers aren't gone, but the guys who you actually bought the gil from are.

Or at least that's what I think.

Edited, Fri Feb 10 03:30:54 2006 by Pokiehl

That's not the reason those prices dropped....


Sorry but just like I try to put the blame where it belongs, I also like to put the credit where it belongs--and it's not SE.

That would be me... And I got two digits wrong. I originally read 3 billion, not 300 billion.

Using the same ratio, your number ~$5,400,000 works out. That's an expensive amount of inventory to suddenly have disappear.

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On a more somber note, a visit to IGE's website today shows they've built up their inventory already. Yesterday, Shiva only had 2M gil shipments available, today they're back to having 100M gil shipments.

This appears to be the case for the majority of servers. My old server, Quetzalcoatl, which had no gil for sale yesterday, currently has 100M shipments available. Bleh.

Edited, Fri Feb 10 13:24:32 2006 by Unixium

Sounds like just another feeble attempt at convincing you they're doing something. I remember when SE had a similar post of this nature, back when the Chinese new year started so there were no gilsellers logged on.

They're still there, and they won't be going away.

Well it looks like some deflation is happening a V. Claw was shouted for only 8 Million/8.5 Million on AH. I looked up S. Harness and it has fallen to around 9 Million. I am holding out still on buying one tho hopefully this trend will continue and my gil will be worth something again......

With the recent changes to how much gil can be sent via the mail it really should put a dent into gil selling and buying. Now they actually have to meet up and trade online. The next few months will really be interesting on the impact to the economy.