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#52 Jan 22 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Default
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Others will agree with me, you're an HNMLS when you camp kings everyday, when your playtime revolves around them, when your LS leader asks you to drop what you're doing and help the LS immediatly.


HNMLS leaders do ask you come to events such as Tiamat or the other wyvrms but, rarely do they ask you to come to events. You know they're going on and you either choose to go or not to. Members may ask if you're coming but most don't ask you to come if they see you doing something else(exp, escort, etc)

In my opinion a HNMLS isn't a LS that just camps kings, it's a LS that camps HNM in general ie. Serket, Cassie. I think that's what LoH was trying to get at, as soon as you guys start camping Serket or some other HNM you'll be labeled as a HNMLS. And btw, most HNMLS don't camp kings everyday. :/
#53 Jan 22 2006 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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~sigh Well I think we all failing to communicate here.
One good reason to not want this title would be that we do not want to atttract people looking for such. We dont want an hnmls hopefull because we dont offer what they are looking for. WE WOULD FAIL TO DELIVER THE GOODS, not because we cant but because we dont. plain. simple. done. When I was shopping hnmls I didnt give the serket and bune campers as the above example shows the slightest look because well they failed to put the "H" in the HNM.
So "label" yourself what you please, you want to roll on the 1 point kills for a few points on the kill list go for it who the hell cares best of luck. Hell we once took serket in a 5 man exp set up, I should call all my pt's HNMPT's hand out a pearl and send SS's of or kills into the "Big List" wow ... how impressed I am not.
So there we have it we dont want to lead people on, we dont want people to think we are a training ground a.k.a. boot camp for aspiring young mercenaries that think they will cut their teeth and leave having learned what it takes to pop over to VD, HoCD or DL in a month. We are just plain ol' not that. We are looking for like minded adveturers that need the breathing room to accomidate a limited play schedual and participate in some low body count good fun. Call us PEBELS PoppedEnmBcnmEscortLinkShell, thats closer to the mark.
LoH there is nothing wrong with hnmls, nobody ever said there was only person that went off on that tangent was yourself. Greed can and will rear its ugly head in ANY shell and the bigger the prize sadly there more often the hydras heads pop. You seem well versed in the various boards so you know good and well this is the truth. Some of us dont like this, and some others may know this. And people will use that to poke and irritate others, uchi isnt into the greed thing and what not a better way to poke her after she leaves the HNMLS life than to say ZOMG uchi is a HNMLS leader ZOMG she is greedy. Then you (and others) come along with zero background info and decide to profess how hurt you are that she spoke out over drama that was of no concern of yours, how you didnt like the imaginary "label" but how she has to accept a "label" because you said so. ~>

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Hypocrisy also refers to the act of criticizing others for behavior which one engages in as well, or in other words, not practising what you preach. An example would be a parent who smokes, but admonishes their adolescent child not to smoke.


We are who we are.
We are not weak sauce wannabes.
We are advetureres with a love for the game in search of like minded others.
We are DX.
We are PEBELS

Edited, Sun Jan 22 19:42:30 2006 by xyloss
#54 Jan 22 2006 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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I personally don't mind what kind of shell people want to label us as. We hang out and chat a lot. We have many discussions on what parts of the game our members are curious about and want to see for themselves and lately we have become strong enough to take a shot at most things. We are spend most of our scheduled time in mission static parties and trigger NM events. So if you need a label to restrict your members from hanging out with us so be it. I can understand we are dabbling in things that can get you kicked from some HNMLS. We have no control over this at all. We went to Sky. We had a a bunch if 1st timers to NM hunting in Sky. It was cool to hear how much fun they were having while we were there. It was great to see that no matter how few and far between big events like this happen; almost our entire membership was in attendance. This strengthens my belief that the LS is moving in a good direction. The definition of what makes a LS a HNMLS isn't on my list of things to be concerned about atm. Having fun and taking our LS to places they want to see and doing things they want to do is my main concern. So far, so good. So if someday you see our happy asses at Behemoth or Fafnir you can expect nothing but good sportsmanship and courtesy from us even if we aren't able to ever win a claim (note: We have no plans as of yet to camp these HNM.)I am only trying to stress that we will try out anything that interests our members. It is just too bad that people people that only know what they hear about us feel the need to question our intentions. If you have a home in a HNMLS and are happy with it then have a coke and a smile and zip it. This post isn't to inform anyone of our endeavors for review, discussion and approval. I can assure you that our responses to the ridiculous replies in this thread are only to entrench our position for any potiential future members who may read this thread.

Edited for spelling

Edited, Sun Jan 22 19:38:49 2006 by Cornnholio
#55 Jan 23 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, well I have to say something on this subject. First off Emag I love ya and all but please don't insult the ls I love, we do more than dynamis, we do pop NM's, Kings, escort, ENM's, and CoP...

Secondly, you may not care what other ls's label you as, but it will come around to bite you in the @$$ eventually because you will infact be considered HNM if you are camping agains other ls's, and if you want to do things such as Serket, you will most definately be camping against another ls. Being apart of that world will get you caught up in drama of the sort that goes on at HNM's.

Who needs drama in their life right? ESPECIALLY in a video game. But most people are driven by drama for some reason, I'll never understand it. So alot of it does go on, but it can't be helped. You play this game, you play the part of it that gets involved in politics, you will eventually have to stop hideing behind the wall of "we aren't "hnm"". You will be brought into all of the issues involved in the sweet science of the HNM world.

Thirdly, A person can still have fun if they camp HNM's and things of the sort. To say that you can only have fun with the way you are doing things is a bit stupid and uninformed to be blunt. Before you go off on your "the grass is greener on the other side" bullcrap you should get some opinions and information from more than just the people who leave the HNM world, get some from the people who are actually still apart of it.

Just my 2gil, I have nothing agains Uchi, I hope you have fun in your new ls, and I wish you good luck with the game.
#56 Jan 23 2006 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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i really don't get everyones fascination with having to put a tag on someone's ls.

#57 Jan 23 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously Ema, you need to get yourself some help for your rage issues. The majority of people on this thread were not from HoCD (until after your post), but you just went off on a rant about something, as Tom put it, you have no clue about anymore. I find it funny that someone who says she doesn't want drama is the same person that left a LS because I had my Carby out at Diablos (making it so you had to adjust your view by 5 degrees or so in order to spam the circle). Not to mention the drama you tried to bring to this thread. (omg, people talking about our LS? I know!!!! Let's bash another LS!!! That will make the drama go away!!1!1).

But seriously, I wish nothing but the best for Uchi's LS, call yourselves whatever you want, as long as you have fun. And Ema, seriously, get some help with this rage problem, it's not good for you.
#58 Jan 23 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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You will be brought into all of the issues involved in the sweet science of the HNM world.
These "issues" you speak of is drama brought on by other HNMLS's and people who pursue drama within them (like some of the posts in this thread).

It's amazing how bigoted some people can be. Life (even aspects of how to play a game) is not always black and white.

If a social LS has enough members on and gets lucky one day and get Serket, are they a HNM now?

What about when a social LS that has a decent number of level 70+ (who have sky access) decide to go up to sky for a day of fun with each other. Are they a Sky LS now?

Is asking that your members not be actively involved in another HNMLS to avoid drama (see quote above) really what makes this a big deal?

If you've ever had the pleasure of conversing with a close-minded person, you are aware of how difficult it is to get your point across and to maintain your cool.

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"The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences."
Please try to look beyond your differences and PERSONAL feelings to see this for what it really is.




#59 Jan 23 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok my bad jokes and attempt to change subject haven't stopped this yet. So let's try something new, shall we?

If you are reading this thread because you are curious about our Linkshell and what we do, please read Uchi's post and visit our website at http://com1.runboard.com/bdivinextasy.

If you are reading this thread because you cannot exist in a world without labels, please, by all means, label us. Your mind will get some deserved rest.

If you are reading this thread because of anything said here that conflicts with any opinion you may have, count to 10, smoke a joint, get laid, go hug a tree, make some tea or whatever floats your boat. Let it go. It's not so hard, I promise. This is just like arguing about soccer teams (errr I'm in America, so it's baseball or whatever) or politics. This has no end and it's a self-feeding circle of stinky crap.

From dictionary.com:

po·lem·ic

* A controversial argument, especially one refuting or attacking a specific opinion or doctrine.
* A person engaged in or inclined to controversy, argument, or refutation.

How to stop it?

GROUP HUG! NOW!!!

Edited, Mon Jan 23 13:52:10 2006 by Camilleclaudel
#60 Jan 23 2006 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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hi i'm neorei, if you don't know who i am i'm the big shell holder of Hero of Carpe Diem AKA HoCD or my preference, Hero.

I would like to apologize to anyone on this thread if my members seem to be disrespectful to any nature. I don't mean for them to be quite aggressive in there post, if you view as that. But they have there own opinion and i will not control that. But i will do apologize if they seem that way.

first and formost, i would personally congratulate uchipu on her Linkshell and hope for the better of her LS.

i'm here because the great desrespect i see here on these fourms. Let me review back what was said.

Ok as for Ken worring about Mememebers with Both Pearls... we 'know' who they are.. they come to our LS to chill and mello out from all the drama that we dont have.. as for HOCD loseing Memembers thats your own god damm fualt maybe if your leaders got off there asses and did more then dynamis they wouldnt have to go to Other LS to help get items so you loseing Memembers is no ones fualt but your own.. as for Sky being a basic starter for sky/ your so called HNMLS... maybe heros should Return to there basics since all they can do anymore is Dynamis.. anyway this is my only post on here.. I dont use Periods i dont use Commma i dont use Questionmakrs Flame me rate me down do w/e you want Take Care alla I said what needed to be said for my LS thanks to the ppl who support us to everyone else.. Have a Nice ******* Day

now as you can see uchi leader to leader, you said you do not want drama in your LS. this my friend just caused a whole ******** of that. all this **** could be easy if you talk to one of my guys online which i know you guys know who they are. people said there is dramaless linkshell, imo that is the biggest ******** ever. I seen every generation of this game and i'll tell you drama follows everywhere. It's how big it get blown up, and what you memeber put here on public fourms blew it up.

I mean you members don't want ""INTER HNMLS DRAMA"", now tell me this why do i see post like this. as you can see ken was having a debate with someone totally different. If you guys don't wanna be part of this "end game" world 70% of the server is in i suggest you guys fight the same yago, turtle and orc in davoi, Oz and berdeux. cause frankly everything you stated in your first post every HNMLS does. by the way HNMLS was pinned by Jps Linkshells meaning "endgame" SE just implenmented new stuff that "endgame" linkshell as myself and i guess yours can do. Do you label yourself as this? Do you wanna be labeled as this? do you even want to be in this business dealing with people like myself? cause it's going to happen. uchi me and you have discussed this before and you know how i feel about all this. I mean you doing this cause you "basic" LS was losing people to big LS right?

i did the same thing almost 2 years ago.
#61 Jan 23 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
As to what Neorei said, I agree with him, I did not mean to offend anyone, if I did I apologize. I was just defending the ls I am in, and I will defend it to anyone.
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