I have been playing FFXI since it launched in NA last year. I am a White Mage and am always hard up for money; however I had never even considered stooping so low as to buy money online, even though I am in the military and dont have much time for farming. I have a RL friend on Garuda server... who's name will remain anonymous... whom I send messages back and forth with as I play. The other night I asked him how he made money (he is military also and has about the same amount of playing time as me) and what the best way to do so would be. He was amazed at how I could ask such a stupid question... he replied to me that he simply bought a million gil every couple of weeks from ebay. I was dumbfounded I told him that I didnt think that was in the spirit of the game nor within the rules of the game. He explained to me that the gil was "given" to him and that he was simply paying a "transfer fee" He also told me that he was considering buying a lvl 60 summoner instead of working his own character up. I told him that I , as well as many other gamers, would consider this wrong. I am very curious as to what the people on my server... the people whose opinions matter to me.... reaction to this is, and will share the results with him. I believe that he is going to post a similar thread on his server so feel free to go and post on that too if you would like. Thanks for any input you give ahead of time.
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hahaha i have sort of an interesting perspective on buying gil, especially with your situations.....
i'm in the army, stationed at Ft. Bragg. ft. bragg moves a mile a minute, so it feels like i'm hard pressed for play time also. .........hmm, i still find time though... anyhow, back on point. what RANK is this buddy of yours that he spends $180, 2 times a month on gil. he's forking over $360 a month for online gaming. that's a car payment. that reason alone should persuade you from doing that.
also, if someone handed you a character with every job leveled to 75, and access to EVERY piece of armor/weapon and 700 million gil..... what would you do in the game? honestly, why would you PLAY the game? there's something about "earning" your stuff, your levels and your quests/missions. i don't mind someone helping me, not at all. but spoon feeding? that's why i think buying leveled up characters is ridiculous. you want a level 60 WHM in your party who just bought the account yesterday? hehe ohhhh the mayhem he could cause
your question, though, is whether it's legit to buy this stuff. the game's economy is a direct reflection of supply/demand of the real world. hell, the AH is a perfect example of that. only in the AH's case, it's 18 year olds running their own Wall Street. scary, huh? i don't believe you SHOULDN'T buy your gil. i won't though, as for ME, it will take the joy of buying a 1million piece of armor that YOU saved up for.
SSG Luke A. Grim
US Army, Paratrooper
Ft. Bragg, NC
i'm in the army, stationed at Ft. Bragg. ft. bragg moves a mile a minute, so it feels like i'm hard pressed for play time also. .........hmm, i still find time though... anyhow, back on point. what RANK is this buddy of yours that he spends $180, 2 times a month on gil. he's forking over $360 a month for online gaming. that's a car payment. that reason alone should persuade you from doing that.
also, if someone handed you a character with every job leveled to 75, and access to EVERY piece of armor/weapon and 700 million gil..... what would you do in the game? honestly, why would you PLAY the game? there's something about "earning" your stuff, your levels and your quests/missions. i don't mind someone helping me, not at all. but spoon feeding? that's why i think buying leveled up characters is ridiculous. you want a level 60 WHM in your party who just bought the account yesterday? hehe ohhhh the mayhem he could cause
your question, though, is whether it's legit to buy this stuff. the game's economy is a direct reflection of supply/demand of the real world. hell, the AH is a perfect example of that. only in the AH's case, it's 18 year olds running their own Wall Street. scary, huh? i don't believe you SHOULDN'T buy your gil. i won't though, as for ME, it will take the joy of buying a 1million piece of armor that YOU saved up for.
SSG Luke A. Grim
US Army, Paratrooper
Ft. Bragg, NC
LOL he didnt tell me how much he was spending... hes an 0-2 so Im pretty sure its not hurting him too bad... you know how it goes with those officers. We're getting ready to sortie the fleet due to the good old hurricane heading our way... last day of freedom for a while I would guess. Stupid mother nature.
buying and selling gil and characters means you cant do anything yourself. = your lame.
yeah. I don't feel its right either. Its like going to the mafia and they say listen give me 20 bucks and I'll rob a bank for you and give you 1 million dollars.
Technically I think it's against the license agreement to sell or buy gil and/or characters. Of course, that's not really the issue here...
Personally, I lose all respect for anyone who buys gil or characters, or uses bots of any sort. It doesn't bother me to the point of making me angry or anything, I just won't associate with them anymore. If you're gonna play a game, play it. Don't buy your way through it. All you do then is cheat yourself out of the feelings of accomplishment that make this game worth playing.
Personally, I lose all respect for anyone who buys gil or characters, or uses bots of any sort. It doesn't bother me to the point of making me angry or anything, I just won't associate with them anymore. If you're gonna play a game, play it. Don't buy your way through it. All you do then is cheat yourself out of the feelings of accomplishment that make this game worth playing.
I don't really care if you do or not after I read this:
Pointdexter from the GameFAQs message boards once said...
Makes sense to me.
As long as you're a good player, I really don't care if you buy gil or not, as long as you don't steal or scam it.
Pointdexter from the GameFAQs message boards once said...
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TIME = MONEY (Real money AND fictitious money)
why spend 8 hrs farming and end up with 100k gil
when you could work 8 hrs, earn $100 and translate that to 500k gil
hmm, which is more efficient?
why spend 8 hrs farming and end up with 100k gil
when you could work 8 hrs, earn $100 and translate that to 500k gil
hmm, which is more efficient?
Makes sense to me.
As long as you're a good player, I really don't care if you buy gil or not, as long as you don't steal or scam it.
Eh, I have no problem with people buying or selling gil legitimately. By that I mean, people selling gil that THEY made, and not some bot. People that buy gil might just be people that have no time and at least take the time to upgrade their armor and weaponary.
However, the buying and selling of characters is bad and should never be done. All it does is introduce lvl 75 newbs that run around town asking where the AH is. -_-""
However, the buying and selling of characters is bad and should never be done. All it does is introduce lvl 75 newbs that run around town asking where the AH is. -_-""
why would you spend money for something fake? i mean the price already (12.95 minimum) a month is already enough, why fork out $100 dollars for money? you could have spent that 100 dollars on something cool/worthwhile. it doesnt matter what you call it, buying gil is against the ToS. the only reason why they are getting away with it is by exploiting the loophole "they are paying me to transfer gil for them"
its still stupid no matter how you look at it, although it isnt as boring as farming. life's mean when you're lazy =P
its still stupid no matter how you look at it, although it isnt as boring as farming. life's mean when you're lazy =P
buying gil is weak. i wouldnt do that as i have too many things to pay for irl... and have better things to spend my money on... selling gil is illegal and looked down upon as well.. but if you worked for that money and sold it to companies and sold it to the fools that bought it... whatever thats your decision. if i didnt have things to buy in this game, id sell gil, but thats not even the topic of discussion.
Edit: i said "buying gil is weak" aka you didnt work for it you dont deserve it, is what i should have said.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 07:38:37 2004 by UnoShiva
Edit: i said "buying gil is weak" aka you didnt work for it you dont deserve it, is what i should have said.
Edited, Thu Sep 2 07:38:37 2004 by UnoShiva
I am sure everyone is aware of the temptations buying gil. However most players couldn't afford it, IMHO. The point however is that I don't think buying/selling gil is bad or good. It simply is what it is. You aren't creating gil in the game so it doesn't effect the market at the AH. Ultimately the only person it effects is the player. Sure farming, teleporting, or whatever, adds to the value of what you buy with it (just like IRL) but so what? What right do you a player have to dictate to someone else how to play the game? I argue that you don't.
Buying characters, however, is kinda silly IMHO. I don't see the point in buying a character that is already lvled. The whole point of the game is to lvl your character. This doesn't fall under the rule that it only hurts the player though. Like someone already said, a lvl 60 whm newb would be a scary thought to 'any' pt. For that I do believe buying characters is wrong. Yet in the end I have met a lot of players who just didn't know how to play their characters. So I don't know what is worest... a lvl 60 whm newb who is trying to learn; or lvl 60 whm idiot who thinks he/she is gods gift to FFXI.
Buying characters, however, is kinda silly IMHO. I don't see the point in buying a character that is already lvled. The whole point of the game is to lvl your character. This doesn't fall under the rule that it only hurts the player though. Like someone already said, a lvl 60 whm newb would be a scary thought to 'any' pt. For that I do believe buying characters is wrong. Yet in the end I have met a lot of players who just didn't know how to play their characters. So I don't know what is worest... a lvl 60 whm newb who is trying to learn; or lvl 60 whm idiot who thinks he/she is gods gift to FFXI.
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I find the buying AND selling of characters flat out not right, first off, to buy a lvl 60 character, you will have no idea how to play that character, use the job, or the spells/skills that it has, and, your just going to find yourself on a lot of people b-lists. As for the selling, I've been playing since late March/Early April, around that time, I've put about 30 days worth of playtime in now, I have a lvl 30 WAR, a lvl 34 PLD, a lvl 15 MNK and a lvl 15 THF. At least those are all I use much. Now, I look at the time I spent in doing that, why would I want to take 30+ days of work, and just sell it? I put my time and effort to get that, just like everyone else should, to sell a character is just giving someone the easy way out. The only way I'd sell my account, is after I've sold all I have, divided it up between those that I feel deserve the gil, and those that have helped me to obtain that gil, then I'd delete my character and sell a blank Content ID to a person, and give them the chance to start with a new character.
For the buying of gil, I have the same dispostion, I have worked for my gil, and there are those that are all of the sudden going from flat broke to multi-millionares overnight, I go and farm, NM camp, and all of that to get what I have, I break even, suddenly Billy-Bob here, who just started a Month ago has 1 million gil at lvl 20, that they didn't even have to work for. Which also allows them to buy what they want, and then resell it at the Price they want it to be, causing them to raise the price so others (who come by their gil legit, meaning not bots or buying gil) have to work even harder for it. So not only does it take the satisfactino out of the game, but it makes it even more difficult for those that PLAY the game to be successful.
That went longer than I wanted it to, but that is my opinion, which was asked for.
For the buying of gil, I have the same dispostion, I have worked for my gil, and there are those that are all of the sudden going from flat broke to multi-millionares overnight, I go and farm, NM camp, and all of that to get what I have, I break even, suddenly Billy-Bob here, who just started a Month ago has 1 million gil at lvl 20, that they didn't even have to work for. Which also allows them to buy what they want, and then resell it at the Price they want it to be, causing them to raise the price so others (who come by their gil legit, meaning not bots or buying gil) have to work even harder for it. So not only does it take the satisfactino out of the game, but it makes it even more difficult for those that PLAY the game to be successful.
That went longer than I wanted it to, but that is my opinion, which was asked for.
I aggree with your first post. Second post is flawed however. I personally don't buy things online. Yet I sell what I sell at prices I want to sell them at. If it takes a week to sell? so be it. The point being you don't have to be a multimillionare to be able to do that. You just have to believe in yourself and be patient. As for what raising the price on stuff does to 'poor' players? I offer the counter arguement. I bought a saintly ring +1 back in May. Then in July I sold it but the FFXI AH market had cut the price for the Saintly Ring +1 in half. So in effect I lost 30k gil because of people like 'you' who strive to lower the market price on 'everything'. I worked hard to get that saintly ring +1 but just because I am at the other end of the spectrum my money isn't worth as much as yours? Whether the price on items in the AH rises or falls is of 'no ones' responsibility. It just is.
Selling/buying gil online effects no one other than the person who purchased it. So what if a n00b is ten times richer than you because he bought it online. what? are you saying you're jealous? Why does it matter how much money anyone else has but you? Is everyone in some sort of race to become the richest player on FFXI, so that we have to 'measure' ourselves against each other? If so I missed that memo ^^
Selling/buying gil online effects no one other than the person who purchased it. So what if a n00b is ten times richer than you because he bought it online. what? are you saying you're jealous? Why does it matter how much money anyone else has but you? Is everyone in some sort of race to become the richest player on FFXI, so that we have to 'measure' ourselves against each other? If so I missed that memo ^^
I look down on anyone who buys gil willingly. Not only do you rob your self of the fun of acually haveing a legit game, you ruin it for everyone else. How? Tanffxi and others like him. all they do is farm farm farm farm. No one in their right mind would do that day in day out 24/7 weeks on end. Unless:
A) It's a bot.
B) It's someone, or a group of people being paid to farm gil for wages to turn into a gil selling company.
What does this do? It completly ruins the economy.
Example:
People farm tree cutting to grow them for random profitable items. or saplings. Right now sapling growths for elemental ore is the main source of that ore. Those ore are used by the goldsmithers to turn into beads to be bartered to the woodworkers to make elemental staves to be purchased by the mages, Paladins, and Dark Knights of Vanadiel.
By buying gil, you rob goldsmithers and woodworkers and gardeners of the profits they need to level thier jobs and enjoy their game to the extent they wish. You increase inflation by droping the price of items through the mass influx of paid gil farmers to up the # of raw materials in the auction house market of Vanadiel. All becuase you can't wait to work for your character. Gil buyers and sellers should have their accounts rolled back to level 1 to account for this deleimma. Gil buying throws a monkey wrench into the economy. If it is'nt remedied soon by S-E, I will be leaving Vanadiel forever.
Edited, Sun Sep 12 01:09:29 2004 by solinari
Edited, Sun Sep 12 01:09:58 2004 by solinari
A) It's a bot.
B) It's someone, or a group of people being paid to farm gil for wages to turn into a gil selling company.
What does this do? It completly ruins the economy.
Example:
People farm tree cutting to grow them for random profitable items. or saplings. Right now sapling growths for elemental ore is the main source of that ore. Those ore are used by the goldsmithers to turn into beads to be bartered to the woodworkers to make elemental staves to be purchased by the mages, Paladins, and Dark Knights of Vanadiel.
By buying gil, you rob goldsmithers and woodworkers and gardeners of the profits they need to level thier jobs and enjoy their game to the extent they wish. You increase inflation by droping the price of items through the mass influx of paid gil farmers to up the # of raw materials in the auction house market of Vanadiel. All becuase you can't wait to work for your character. Gil buyers and sellers should have their accounts rolled back to level 1 to account for this deleimma. Gil buying throws a monkey wrench into the economy. If it is'nt remedied soon by S-E, I will be leaving Vanadiel forever.
Edited, Sun Sep 12 01:09:29 2004 by solinari
Edited, Sun Sep 12 01:09:58 2004 by solinari
I wouldn't mind buying gil if it didn't encourage gilfarmers. How many people have run into gtorc, windboy and his group?
Or the tanffxi's?
I've had Gtorc and windboy try to mpk my party in Kuftal tunnel while fighting Amemet. They hunt that NM constantly, and often mpk other groups that win the pull.
Ever try farming tree cuttings in zi'tah? Try beating out the 4 or 5 tanffxi players that farm them there 24/7.
The buyers don't annoy me nearly as much as the sellers do >_<
Or the tanffxi's?
I've had Gtorc and windboy try to mpk my party in Kuftal tunnel while fighting Amemet. They hunt that NM constantly, and often mpk other groups that win the pull.
Ever try farming tree cuttings in zi'tah? Try beating out the 4 or 5 tanffxi players that farm them there 24/7.
The buyers don't annoy me nearly as much as the sellers do >_<
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oh my... guess that ends the discussion right there. Skull said that I was wrong. What ever should I do? um... not listen? yeah I think I will do that.
If a gil farmer does what you say then yes, they are hurting the game. Yet all they are doing is giving gil farming a bad name. It's like Japanese saying NA are stupid a$$hole players just because a couple NA players did stupid things. You're going to catagorize and steriotype them all for it? ok. but I am not. I've actually met a gilfarmer online that was pleasent and considerate.
I am sorry but there are two possible solutions to 'gil farmer' and mpking. A.) call GM and get them banned for a month or two... can't make gil when their credit card is banned from the game B.) if calling GM doesn't work? then mpk them have a higher lvl train countless mobs onto them. People can be ******** but when its turned around on them? they generally can't stomach it. It's sort of like tree stealing. Speaking of which, having trouble cutting tree's in whatever area because of gil farmers being a$$holes? organize and have a group come in and cover every single tree. when a point comes, log it. pretty soon gil farmers not make any money... they move on.
My point? You have more power than you think you do. There is always a solution. Now I am not terribly knowledgeable about all aspects of the game. Maybe you tried something and it didn't work? Whatever the case may be; try to do something about it instead, because b@tching about it isn't going to solve anything either.
P.S. Solinari, there is no possible way for SE to combat all illegal sales of ingame gil and/or characters online. It simply is not cost effective for them to spend 15 man hours on your 14 dollar a month problem (not an actual equation but gets the point across). Instead they spend that 14 dollars a month on server upgrades and programming for the next expansion. as well as fixing bugs.
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