Marylyn's Pickup Xarcabard RunsFollow

lol

Totally unacceptable to do Dynamis-Xarcabard whenever you want, Sure, lmfao.

Just for the record, there is atleast 1 shell I know of that isn't on the sticky, only because I don't think anyone from Ddlysins' dyna ls reads and posts here. Aside from that, Seraph has had a good track record lately of not stepping on other shell's toes, it would be nice if those who do pick up runs atleast -glanced- at the dyna linkshell schedule. Marylyn is a friendly person though. It seems out of character that she would be doing this, so here's to crossing my fingers in hopes it's someone else on her char. D:

Sorry Catwho, no matter how hard you try, no matter what you say, no matter what you do, you will never be able to polish a turd. And therefore you will never be able to stop people like this from doing dyna zones whenever they want.

At least there are dynashells that do have integrity, and we are lucky that Seraph doesnt have too many issues like this. Keep the integrity of noseph and ignore turds that just up and do w/e zone they want.

Hopefully all 8 turds that do this will wake up, but I doubt it.

Oh, I'm a turd now.

I give up, you win.

You know whats funny?

We have a lot of relic in Xarc that goes free lot.

Sure, not all of it. But I think the last MNK crown went to someone with like a 40 MNK or something. I'm done with Xarc relic on five jobs (one of em I don't even have leveled.)

So if you wanted to play within the system, and apply to a linkshell that does regularly Xarc runs, you'd get your relic sooner or later. Seems to me that wasting 500K for an hour, maybe an hour and a half of farm time for a low man run, is just that -- a waste of gil.

You do realize that the NMs weren't affected by the drop adjustment? Only NQ mobs got the increased drop rate.

Catwho, can you teach us how to be Allah's player of the month?

here is de thing i find most fascinating about all of this. you have anonymity in game not allowed in RL. yet, in de end, no one can change their interior ...so we are ...what we are. you may play nice at work, kiss your wife when you get home...take de dog for a walk..but when no one is watching e you have de opportunity to be as you wish...you are what you are... so if deep down inside of you resides a turd...then it's what you bring to game. there is no way around it. in your "exterior" life Marylyn you may be a nice person...but when no one from your RL is about to judge you..that is when it really counts. because in de end..it is de sole reason we are all here. you know ..its sort of like when you do something amazing and all your work friends and/or family tell you how wonderful you are...but they don't know about that item you 'found' on someones desk and pocketed... you will not be judged on the public displays or honor...you will only be judged by that item you took that did not belong to you. play as you will ...in de end...its not me that has to live with you...you do ... karma is a bit of a bitch..gl with it.

Pick-up Dynamis is stupid. Period. And I'll stand by this statement until the day SE finally makes it instanced (which will probably be never).

I've had friends from other linkshells get screwed over on going to certain runs because pickup groups didn't want to follow the rules. You don't want to join another linkshell to do runs, fine. But when you do your runs you better make sure no one else is trying to come in soon.

tl;dr catwho's right, lern2readschedule, blah blah etc.

r-e-s-p-e-c-t find out what it means to me.
sorry, couldn't resist, early morning sleep deprivation humor and all that.
but yeah seriously, it's just common courtesy to not zone gank.
If anyone needs help figuring out what shell will be where, it's easy to shoot catwho a tell and just ask her, she's uber record keeper at this kind of stuff.
although I understand not everyone reads forums.

Who made you Queen of seraph? Lothar??


pause.. while you choke on some of the pancake your stuffing your face with atm..






ok?


now..

I like how you get your nose into everyone else's business when it has absolutely no baring on your precious life.


YOUR beloved system had ALREADY failed before we entered because 2 LS were scheduled for that zone in overlapping times as we found out when 2 leaders sent /tells to ppl in the zone..


If anyone deserves to have a finger pointed at, its YOU. sh*t like this would still would have happened regardless of what we did.. hmmm

And i believe its the LS's responsibility to make sure the system that is in place and what their schedule is known to the general public if you want to enforce it. IMO, If I want to do Dyna, I shouldn't have to run all over the dam internet to find out if I will be somehow be pissing off someone in the world at some point during my run because i supposedly took "their" zone.

It's YOUR system, then it's YOUR responsibily.. its YOUR system, then YOU can follow it.. but that doesn't give you ANY right to force it upon others... it's called freedom.. something well praised in your country and pretty much all over the world.

I don't get joy out of messing with someone's schedule and I apologized to ppl who sent me /tell, but I don't have pity for people like you who react so rudely to my mistake. I spoke with one of the LS leader's personally and it was handled very politely. That leader even offered me good luck during my run after I apologized for innocently taking "their" zone.


Participating in a pick-up dyna run has NOTHING to do with Yamato or any of its events. Somehow you managed to bridge that gap. Your actions were made knowingly, while I innocently participated in a Dyna run.

So..now that you've so happily and purposely messed with my game play by clinching your nails even deeper into Deku's back, and getting me kicked from the Einerjar I loved doing so much.. It will be MY pleasure to interfere with yours.

Happy Dynamis :D

PS: if you're so unhappy with the way Dynamis is programmed in FFxi, take it up with SE.. and spare me the bla bla bla oink oink bla bla bla on the interweb.


PS2: We got 2 drops that run, 3 time extensions with 8 people.. in 3 xarc runs I've done on shouts with no more then 12 ppl each time, I've seen 7 AFs. 1 of which is now my Valor Surcoat thank you very much.


Edited, Jan 25th 2009 9:26pm by Lucipherious

Helping you getting PLD body (as well as the other guy who had done it with a ls for yrs but was still waiting on it) helps make the effort all worthwhile Luci.. even if we still havent got what we want. :)

/bow

Edited, Jan 26th 2009 3:11am by Doebie

Mythbusters actually busted that lol

But on topic, IMO there's nothing wrong with pickup groups, but ONLY IF THEY DO NOT INTERFERE WITH SCHEDULED RUNS.
Anyone who disagrees with doing that small amount of work to be conciderate to others is also likely the same type that camps on others, steals NMs, and uses whatever douchebaggery possible for their own personal gain with total disregard for others.

Mmm I hate being on the fence on this issue. I can clearly see where a pickup group is coming from. Someone with 500k and a yearning for some AF and a few spare hours decides to start shouting for a run. Pretty convenient. Don't have to have it scheduled, so if you can't make it, who cares? No LS mates to let down. No promises to uphold. On the same token, because of SE's system, those who go out of their way to schedule, run, finance full out dyna shells cannot simply be ignored by the pickup groups. There is a lot of effort that goes into running any organized shell. Because of SE's flawed programming, we as players are forced to deal with this stupid situation. As cool as it is to be able to go as a pickup group whenever, I'd still have to place my vote in catwho's pool of respecting the longevity of the dyna LS that go through significant effort to keep their schedules from conflicting. For a pick up group of 5-12 people like you guys are speaking of, to ruin the entire expected evening of 30+ people no less unfair than them having the luxury of trying to claim zones for certain days at certain time slots a month or two in advance.

Nevertheless, even though there are occasional bumps where two shells have something scheduled @ same time, it is rare and when it happens it gets worked out, because there is an appreciation and respect for the effort put into running the shells. Dyna has traditionally been a long-haul kind of thing. It's even more frustrating when you have a shell that has a RDM who has been dedicated to their shell, waiting for a hat for 3 years, sitting on lots of points, their LS leaders scheduling an extra xarc per month to pump those hats out, only to have a small group interrupt those runs. Pickup groups can go any time of the month, they are free to do that. Scheduled dyna shells usually only have northlands scheduled once or twice per month, so all the other shells have a chance to also get some northlands runs in. When you take one shell's zone, then everyone trys to shift their schedules to get in that lost northland run. It's really a ripple effect.

I'm not saying that you guys are evil. You're not mean. These pickup group people aren't devils in disguise. D: They are simply ignorant to the time and effort others have invested in Dynamis, and thus there's a severe lack of understanding going on. The only way , i can personally think of, to solve the issue peacefully so both kinds of Dyna people can cooperate...is to have the dyna shells with established schedules attempt to compile their schedules in a single location, so all it takes is one look for a pickup group to see when a xarc slot is free. The dyna sticky on these forums made by catwho is just such a source of information. Unfortunately not all the dyna shells frequent these forums or care to acknowledge alla's existance, you know, the lolalla people.

Since the sticky on our server forums here doesn't really make for a 1-stop shop, who's-where-tonight source, perhaps we could consider using that dynamis calander website? I haven't looked at it, but some servers use it. I'd assume it would show LS name and time displayed in a calandar like format...o.o Maybe it's set up so just one person can edit the calandar for the entire server? That way we don't have to rely on those loner closed-in shells to step forward and post their schedules, just someone willing to keep it updated. What do you guys think?

edit: On my earlier note talking about how , by tradition DYnamis has been a linkshell only, 'in it for the long haul' kind of events, because the northlands drops were so horrible you had to get in as early as possible because the wait times were just rediculous. Now that glass prices are down and drop rates are crazy, I was actually expecting people to want to join the veteran shells that are very speedily filling their ranks with relic. When you can take 18 people and farm 700 currency and 10 pieces of AF, I'd think that's where the people who weren't sure about joining a shell would be moving on to. Perhaps since we're in this new era of dynamis perhaps things will change down the line. But for now there are still established linkshells whos toes are being stepped on. o.o The only thing that can happen is if we can't come to some agreement then it becomes either a.) battle to get to a zone first, so linkshells who scheduled a run 3 weeks ago have to rush out there, probably break down the scheduling system between linkshells because who wants to post their start time if theres potential for a pick up group to jump in 30 mins before? -This would eventually just lead to a lot of angry people who sat in a linkshell for 2-3 years waiting for that RDM hat , PLD body, THF gloves...and a lot of broken dynamis shells who just aren't seeing the stress of the chaos and randomness that they've lived on since shortly after dynamis was released. or B.) The etablished shells roll with the punches, rescheduling multiple times per month if necissary as pickup groups continue to not care who's schedule they're messing up. Pretty sure if you send a tell to any dyna shell leader or sack holder or veteran member, they'll be able to tell you what shells run in the same time slots/days as them, what their website URL is, who the leader is, and possibly what zone they are going to be in. So there is enough regular communication going on to be capable of constant rescheduling. But I'm not sure they'd all want to do it. Who wants to reschedule and/or trade zone dates all the time because they have no means of fighting back? What about the members who can't attend their shell if it trys to run 30 minutes early to beat out the pickup groups o_O

IMO seriously it just causes so much more heartache because there's way more people in a dyna shell to piss off than there are people in a pickup group. >_< And if you screw with one dyna shell, they try to reschedule to keep members happy, perhaps trading a zone with another shell, then their xarc time gets ganked so they try to reschedule too..sorry think I went over that whole ripple effect thing. What gives 5-15 random people the right to ruin the organized chances of anywhere from 18 to 100 people(single or multiple ls!)to relic? I know the question rolling immediately in your head after that is 'What gives a bunch of shells the right to claim zones anymore than someone else?' -Thats just the thing, no one has any claim more than anyone else to any zone, at any time. There are a few major differences though.

Dyna shells have more members. Dyna shells take the courtesy of scheduling in advance, so others who also wish to participate have the chance to set up their schedules, so everyone is happy. There is a sense of cooperation so everyone can reach their respective goals of AF and currency. Pickup groups don't have any of that, and thus, I think there should be some acknowledgement from pickup groups that the other shells actually do exist, and in the air of cooperation, should fall in line like the rest and atleast spend 10 minutes browsing some schedules to see if the zone you're wanting to go into is pre-scheduled or not. Worse come to worse pick a day and a time slot and schedule it up for the month. Usually the shells who check eachother's forums go by whoever schedules it first gets it, the others have to schedule around 'em. Why not do that? If you can't make a run that is on your schedule, then don't do it. At least you would be participating in the scheduling process so others who run that day/timeslot can work with you. They'd definitely be more willing, atleast.



Edited, Jan 26th 2009 7:09am by FenrirXIII

just wanted to get in on what is gearing up to be an epic thread.. ( like one of those guys that stands in front of the camera at a murder scene, and waves)

Even though many do not want to admit it, I think that we all knew that once the price of hourglasses was cut in half, the potential for "low-man" dyna farming runs and this sort of ganking was going to increase.

As far as common courtesy goes, it includes the word common for a reason. Some things you learn, and others you just know.

Let me be real clear on this, just because you can do something doesn't make it right.

And lastly, there is more than just guilt by association. You can't walk past a group of folks wearing the same pearl, staged at markings and not have any clue to what is about to happen.

Ya make your bed, ya sleep in it. Karma is a funny thing.

No, if you're going into Xarcabard, it means that you've been through at the barest minimum 5 other Dynamis zones to even gain access to the area, and you know the drill.

Nice try though.

I didn't screw anyone over from any shell I belong to..Catwho's Dyna shell had no runs scheduled during that time, and I didn't knowingly screw anyone else over either.. I even apologized. I'm not sure of the exact time the 2 LS had scheduled Xarc, but we entered nearly 2h before we got any /tell from the leaders.

With 8 people, the run could have easily lasted an hour, and I personally didn't expect us to stay in there for 3h. We caused a -delay- in the scheduled runs, but I don't believe we totally screwed them over.

I've done dynamis for years with Dynacore and we often had people still be the zone we had "scheduled".. We often times simply waited for them to exit. If 30min is gonna throw your whole life off balance then umm... what can I say.. People regularly leave dynamis runs before they end in Dynacore I don't see how all this is ground for damnation.


To elaborate on my story since people are picking sides w/o knowing the whole of it:

As mentioned before I did dynamis with dynacore for many years. 1 week last month, I could not attend any of the 2 scheduled runs due to my RL conflicting with their times. Marylyn was shouting for dynamis-xarc, and I saw an opportunity to do a dyna run during a week I thought I couldn't. I had been first in line for Valor Surcoat in Dynacore and figured if by chance I could obtain that piece outside the LS, some other PLDs would definitely be happy to learn they're now 1 step closer to getting theirs.

Cole, who was on my FL, saw me in dyna-xarc and reported me to Dynacore leadership(Wildman) who then immediately kicked me from the shell. Apparently, being in that shell for 4 years, participating in more then 250 runs with them wasn't enough to solidify my spot in Dynacore after I did 1 run with a pick up group with all the right intentions.


Cole and Wildman are in Yamato too.. Did I screw them over? no i did not.. Did they screw me over? yes they did.. but I lived on.

Yamato is a sky\sea shell I was part of for about 2 years. I was among the leaders in points throughout my time with them so my efforts put forth for them was undeniable. I obtained some nice items from Yamato which I totaly earned and deserved. I butted heads with leaders a few times regarding some rules and some changes were sometimes made following our discussions. Changes that the whole shell benefited from and still benefit from.Proof of this is the many /tells I'd get from people thanking me for speaking up when they didn't have the courage to.

I left Yamato on my own because I got tired of sky\sea and the growing bad atmosphere in the shell with a couple members with whom I never saw eye to eye.

I left on seemingly good terms, as the leaders(deku and pravus) told me they were sad to see me leave and hope that I would one day come back. Nothing was said about returning any gear.

I even continued to do einerjar with them for several months..up until last night when I was kicked out of the blue.


Several months, a year maybe after leaving Yamato I had the idea to sell my Novio earring because IMO 20m gil > 7MAB. So I had my earring for sale for a couple months until some night in rolanberry someone bought it for 20m. This gil is now reinvested into my character with updgrades to several pieces for my numerous jobs.

Even after selling the earring I continued to do einerjar with them, and heard nothing from the leadership about the sale. The earring was mine, I was never asked to return it, I was no longer a member, and it was long time after I left..

I had 50+ runs with them in einerjar, killed several Odins and even obtained m.body from the last one we did. I did several other runs with them after obtaining the body.. and there was no issues whatsoever.



So last night I was kicked from the einerjar group apparently for breaking, according to Catwho "the last straw in a long series of straw stacks stacked up".

So this "last" straw apparently was participating in this pick up dyna group with Marylyn. Something totally unrelated to Yamato or ANY of it's members. This is why I say Catwho purposely and maliciously interfered with my game play... just as Cole and Wildman did.


I had done nothing to personally offend any of these people but they still felt the need to personally hurt my game play and kick me out of shells I had a lot of friends in(the main reason I enjoyed doing events with those shells).

And now I'm threatened on the internet to have my end-game reputation ruined by the self-proclaimed Queen of Seraph. Do you think I'm gonna stand by silently while people with malicious intent try to screw me over? I think not.



On a final note, I agree that its unfortunate that some LS was denied the zone while we were inside and hope it it can be avoided the next time I do a pick up dyna. I apologized, and I apologize again to those disgruntled people who were polite enough to express themselves to me in a mature manner. But when people like Catwho react so rudely and goes on an internet and FFXi crusade to ruin my game, I feel that fire should be fought with fire.. and if I have an opportunity to interfere with their game play, then I will in order to return the favor.


[End Key]

As a general rule, if someone's non-Xarc zone is ganked, then its not as big a deal. There are 9 other zones available, and for the most part a linkshell isn't extremely upset to shift from Windurst to Sandoria, for example.

But there are certain things that can only be done in Xarcabard that have nothing to do with farming relic gear, and that is why stealing a Xarc is so heartbreaking. Fragment runs and Dynamis Lord for clears cannot be done in any other zone, period.

Congratulations on your paladin top, Luci. I know you deserved it. However, had I been in Wildman's shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. Dynacore is sometimes full to overflowing, but NoSephiroth is not, and if anyone in our linkshell is found on the server, not in Dynamis during the run, they can and will be kicked out of the shell. (We've done it before, we'll do it again.) This is pretty much standard policy for ALL Dynamis linkshells, and I'm sorry you feel you were treated unfairly.

You also have to take into account, this isn't just tattling to linkshell leaders. This is griefing my friends. Not so long ago I would have counted you among that number, and vehemently defended you just as much as I am BtD in this thread.

Thank you, the surcoat dropped our very last mob that run, I was very lucky to obtain it.


Thing is, I wasn't online during their dynamis runs. I couldn't be, that's why I took the shout dyna in the first place, otherwise I would have done the runs with Dynacore. I even let them know ahead of time (posted a topic on the LS forum a couple months earlier) that I would be having trouble attending Dynamis in the future because of my new business and the varying hours I put in.

It just seems to me, with all that's happen and having all these people all somewhow related to Yamato, that there's some angry mob out there out to get me and quite frankly I don't see why I would deserve such treatment.

We

A. Have an inactive list, for people that have issues like this.

B. Have a rule that you can only do with us.

C. You later denied being in the zone with that group when Wild asked you about it the next day.



Point is, if you start hopping around to zones all crazy, you do it with someone else, not with Dynacore. The policy since the start has been, you do with us, and with us only. If we did not have this rule, older players would only come northlands and CoP, leaving the rest of us to work the cities with lower #s than we already have.

This LS has a joint purpose if you remember, to get armor AND upgrade relics. If you wanted to join a LS to get you northlands faster, find one that only has to break even on runs. We on the other hand have around 15 people actively upgrading weapons at a given time and need city runs to make the LS work.

You broke the rules, you tried lying to get around it, and now you have to deal with it Luci. The Yamato/Dynacore/Einenjar kickings are unrelated. You were kicked from Dynacore for breaking the rules and then lying to the leadership. Einenjar is completely unrelated to Dynacore, all people do there is show up, kill things, then get out, and only see each other for 2 hours a week. Don't go keeping on with this grand conspiracy, you were kicked for breaking known rules that we have kicked people from numerous times before, so deal with it.