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#1 Jan 24 2009 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If you see Marylyn shouting for a "pickup" Xarcabard run, please DO NOT ACCEPT.

Marylyn has overtaken two scheduled Dynamis Xarcabards from two separate linkshells now. This is unacceptable.

Do you see the sticky at the top of this forum? It's a link to all known Dynamis shells on the server. It's there for a reason. It's there, because Seraph is better than this. It's there so people can find a run time that works for them, and find schedules.

Apparently, the current group that joined Marylyn's run today was not aware that there was a scheduled linkshell in there. However, Marylyn was perfectly aware that she was jacking a zone from another linkshell since it happened earlier this week.

Marylyn, you are officially ON NOTICE. You can either play nice and find a time to schedule REGULAR Xarcabard runs like everyone else on the server, or you can earn the wrath and ire of everyone else in endgame.

From now on, anyone that accepts a "pickup" Xarcabard from this person is as guilty as she is. You will be listed on this thread as the piece of scum you are, for throwing a wrench into the otherwise peaceful Dynamis system we have.

Ad,in Edit: Locked by catwho's request.

Edited, Jan 28th 2009 9:45pm by Kaolian
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#2 Jan 24 2009 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
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lol

Totally unacceptable to do Dynamis-Xarcabard whenever you want, Sure, lmfao.
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Character name is Mahonri, Can you add me to the list? I do these runs.

So many ppl read Allah I'm sure the "wrath and ire" of ppl NOT in my endgame LS will come down upon me.

I'll never be able to lot anything in LS' that I'm not APART OF, DEAR GOD NO!

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Just for the record, there is atleast 1 shell I know of that isn't on the sticky, only because I don't think anyone from Ddlysins' dyna ls reads and posts here. Aside from that, Seraph has had a good track record lately of not stepping on other shell's toes, it would be nice if those who do pick up runs atleast -glanced- at the dyna linkshell schedule. Marylyn is a friendly person though. It seems out of character that she would be doing this, so here's to crossing my fingers in hopes it's someone else on her char. D:

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You may think this is all about the lulz, but someone in BtD was supposed to get their fragment for stage 5 tonight, and because the zone was ganked, it had to get rescheduled.

Congrats, your asshattery has delayed someone's relic. How nice of you!

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#6MahoXI, Posted: Jan 24 2009 at 5:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ya, And I was suppose to get Duelist Chapeau tonight ^^; Didn't happen though =(
#7 Jan 24 2009 at 5:50 PM Rating: Default
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Can you add my name to this list?
I have not done a Dynamis run with one of Marylyn's pick-ups, but I feel an overbearing guilt for having read your topic.
My character's name is Rhone; spelled R-h-o-n-e.


Thank you.

Edited, Jan 24th 2009 8:56pm by Rhoney
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Sorry Catwho, no matter how hard you try, no matter what you say, no matter what you do, you will never be able to polish a turd. And therefore you will never be able to stop people like this from doing dyna zones whenever they want.

At least there are dynashells that do have integrity, and we are lucky that Seraph doesnt have too many issues like this. Keep the integrity of noseph and ignore turds that just up and do w/e zone they want.

Hopefully all 8 turds that do this will wake up, but I doubt it.
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Sorry Mary I slept in :(

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#10Marylyniii, Posted: Jan 24 2009 at 5:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey turd, your ls is next~... or turds should i say lolz
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Cry me a river, we've had a dood been waiting over a year for a Duelists Chapeau. (I got the last one because he missed for RL.) And if we had been the one scheduled for tonight and not BtD, you can bet I'd figure out a way to punch someone through the internet.

Look, the whole reason the Dynamis system works is because zones are scheduled up to a month ahead of time. The officers all have a designated scheduler, and they know who to poke when it comes time to schedule the runs, so that no group is going to accidentally over schedule another one. Having someone doing "pick up runs" throws a wrench into the whole monkey works.

If you are doing a pick up run, it is your responsibility to CHECK the scheduled linkshells for that night and ensure no one was planning on going in. This isn't like Nyzul, where a dozen groups can go in and do floor 96-100 all at once. We have to deal with SE's **** up non-instanced programming, and this is the best way we've found to do it.

READ THE **** SCHEDULES. IT IS NOT HARD.
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#12 Jan 24 2009 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh, I'm a **** now.

I give up, you win.
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#13 Jan 24 2009 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
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really? thats why that past 2 times i did runs there were 2 other ls fighting over the zone anyways. you're right, go system, it works.
#14MahoXI, Posted: Jan 24 2009 at 6:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just called Sage Sundi (collect, Of course), and he said Dynamis is First come, First Serve system. He likened it to McDonalds, Hes SO FUNNY!
#15Rhoney, Posted: Jan 24 2009 at 6:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dynamis: We don't **** at it until you order it.
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You know whats funny?

We have a lot of relic in Xarc that goes free lot.

Sure, not all of it. But I think the last MNK crown went to someone with like a 40 MNK or something. I'm done with Xarc relic on five jobs (one of em I don't even have leveled.)

So if you wanted to play within the system, and apply to a linkshell that does regularly Xarc runs, you'd get your relic sooner or later. Seems to me that wasting 500K for an hour, maybe an hour and a half of farm time for a low man run, is just that -- a waste of gil.

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#17Marylyniii, Posted: Jan 24 2009 at 6:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ya idk about your ls, but we're able to successfully attain 4 time extensions, kill the NMs we do the runs for, and farm nq mobs. Takes 6-8 ppl, my friends that i go with, not /sh. But yup, funny.
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You do realize that the NMs weren't affected by the drop adjustment? Only NQ mobs got the increased drop rate.
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#19 Jan 24 2009 at 6:23 PM Rating: Default
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and you do realize that nms have a chance to drop their respective relic? not just nq mobs.
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Sure, Mahonri. Don't be a douche to people :) Unless they deserve it.

I am well aware that the NMs have a chance to drop their respective relic. We kill the **** things every Xarc so we can pop animated weapons. I'm also well aware, because of this, that the recent drop rate increase for Dynamis-Xarcabard was not extended to the NMs. They had a .5% chance of dropping before, they have a .5% chance of dropping now. The increased relic drop rate was only extended to the regular mobs in Dynamis zones.

In other words, even on your low man farming runs, you'll get more relic if you avoid the NMs and kill more NQ mobs. Simple as that.
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#22 Jan 24 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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here is de thing i find most fascinating about all of this. you have anonymity in game not allowed in RL. yet, in de end, no one can change their interior ...so we are ...what we are. you may play nice at work, kiss your wife when you get home...take de dog for a walk..but when no one is watching e you have de opportunity to be as you wish...you are what you are... so if deep down inside of you resides a turd...then it's what you bring to game. there is no way around it. in your "exterior" life Marylyn you may be a nice person...but when no one from your RL is about to judge you..that is when it really counts. because in de end..it is de sole reason we are all here. you know ..its sort of like when you do something amazing and all your work friends and/or family tell you how wonderful you are...but they don't know about that item you 'found' on someones desk and pocketed... you will not be judged on the public displays or honor...you will only be judged by that item you took that did not belong to you. play as you will ...in de end...its not me that has to live with you...you do ... karma is a bit of a **** with it.
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The schedule system works out quite well, it helps everyone as a community try and organize a already broken system within the game.
By randomly entering a zone without much notice to other people, players, real life gamers, you ruin the scheduled run.
You don't have to be **** about the whole thing. Instead try and organize a time that would benefit not only yourselves but the rest of the FFXI community as well.

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Pick-up Dynamis is stupid. Period. And I'll stand by this statement until the day SE finally makes it instanced (which will probably be never).

I've had friends from other linkshells get screwed over on going to certain runs because pickup groups didn't want to follow the rules. You don't want to join another linkshell to do runs, fine. But when you do your runs you better make sure no one else is trying to come in soon.

tl;dr catwho's right, lern2readschedule, blah blah etc.
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This just proves that you should never trust a Cor/Whm (marylyn). I have done a pickup dyna, not with mary tho, but we did make sure the zone wasn't reserved. Nothing wrong with pickup dyna as long as your not intruding upon others
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r-e-s-p-e-c-t find out what it means to me.
sorry, couldn't resist, early morning sleep deprivation humor and all that.
but yeah seriously, it's just common courtesy to not zone gank.
If anyone needs help figuring out what shell will be where, it's easy to shoot catwho a tell and just ask her, she's uber record keeper at this kind of stuff.
although I understand not everyone reads forums.




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Call me crazy if you will... but I've always found it the responsibility of the leader of anything (even something as small as an exp party) to do their research for where to camp, how many are in the camp already, etc... long before they intend to even go there. If you're unable to step up to the plate and do that, then don't lead and be a follower. It's just very uncouth to grief other players, intentionally especially... because no, it isn't "just a game"... that only works with single player games where you interact with no one but yourself.
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Who made you Queen of seraph? Lothar??


pause.. while you choke on some of the pancake your stuffing your face with atm..






ok?


now..

I like how you get your nose into everyone else's business when it has absolutely no baring on your precious life.


YOUR beloved system had ALREADY failed before we entered because 2 LS were scheduled for that zone in overlapping times as we found out when 2 leaders sent /tells to ppl in the zone..


If anyone deserves to have a finger pointed at, its YOU. sh*t like this would still would have happened regardless of what we did.. hmmm

And i believe its the LS's responsibility to make sure the system that is in place and what their schedule is known to the general public if you want to enforce it. IMO, If I want to do Dyna, I shouldn't have to run all over the dam internet to find out if I will be somehow be **** off someone in the world at some point during my run because i supposedly took "their" zone.

It's YOUR system, then it's YOUR responsibily.. its YOUR system, then YOU can follow it.. but that doesn't give you ANY right to force it upon others... it's called freedom.. something well praised in your country and pretty much all over the world.

I don't get joy out of messing with someone's schedule and I apologized to ppl who sent me /tell, but I don't have pity for people like you who react so rudely to my mistake. I spoke with one of the LS leader's personally and it was handled very politely. That leader even offered me good luck during my run after I apologized for innocently taking "their" zone.


Participating in a pick-up dyna run has NOTHING to do with Yamato or any of its events. Somehow you managed to bridge that gap. Your actions were made knowingly, while I innocently participated in a Dyna run.

So..now that you've so happily and purposely messed with my game play by clinching your nails even deeper into Deku's back, and getting me kicked from the Einerjar I loved doing so much.. It will be MY pleasure to interfere with yours.

Happy Dynamis :D

PS: if you're so unhappy with the way Dynamis is programmed in FFxi, take it up with SE.. and spare me the bla bla bla oink oink bla bla bla on the interweb.


PS2: We got 2 drops that run, 3 time extensions with 8 people.. in 3 xarc runs I've done on shouts with no more then 12 ppl each time, I've seen 7 AFs. 1 of which is now my Valor Surcoat thank you very much.


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#30 Jan 25 2009 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Helping you getting PLD body (as well as the other guy who had done it with a ls for yrs but was still waiting on it) helps make the effort all worthwhile Luci.. even if we still havent got what we want. :)

/bow

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I've seen these shouts in whitegate and wondered how long it would be before it caused problems with the real dynamis shells.

This is just another instance of the broken system causing problems. It's the way SE made it, and we have to deal with it, for better or worse. It sucks, a lot, but there isn't much we can do to make it better.
There will ALWAYS be "those people" that do things like this. Empathy and concern for others is something that's rare in this day and age. Unfortunate, but very true.

edit: I suck at spelling.

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#32 Jan 25 2009 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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Mythbusters actually busted that lol

But on topic, IMO there's nothing wrong with pickup groups, but ONLY IF THEY DO NOT INTERFERE WITH SCHEDULED RUNS.
Anyone who disagrees with doing that small amount of work to be conciderate to others is also likely the same type that camps on others, steals NMs, and uses whatever douchebaggery possible for their own personal gain with total disregard for others.
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The reason why I am posting this is that I could easily be one of those innocent people interested in a pick up run, completely unaware of the fact that he is messing with this other ls's schedule.

Although I dislike players who don't give a **** about others and don't even think twice before ruining somebody elses gameplay if it happen to benefit theirs, I do think Catwho's attitude in this is way too harsh.

A few years ago we had Cole and his battle against RMT. Remember that one? I totally understood his ahtred towards RMT, but the way he was trying to fight it was absurd. In short: anyone who played with anyone on his list of RMT (related) accounts was contaminated and his or her name was put on the list as well whether people were aware of violating his rule or not. MPK'ing those people was encouraged. "Tag 'em and bag 'em"! And why? Because everybody who was hanging out with gilsellers (mind you, proof was thin at times) was a piece of garnage as well. Period. No discussion possible.

Insane! And now we have Catwho who says:

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So..now that you've so happily and purposely messed with my game play by clinching your nails even deeper into Deku's back, and getting me kicked from the Einerjar I loved doing so much.. It will be MY pleasure to interfere with yours.


I don't know Lucipherious personally except for the dozen+ parties he and I were in, but he is one of the oldies and certainly doesn't strike me as the person who doesn't give a **** about other players. And if it is true that even the leader of this Dyna ls accepted his apologies and wished him good luck, then I think Catwho is overstepping his bounds and is now willingly trying to ruin somebody's gameplay only because his perfect world doesn't seem to be all that perfect after all.

You cannot just crucify anyone who doesn't read the Alla forum and happens to join a pick up group for Dynamis. Where does it end? Violators are excluded from any dyna event? Any endgame event? Any experience points party? No one is allowed be in the same social linkshell with those people anymore?

So to you Catwho: is this what you want? Again, I am only FOT harmony in this game, but your attitude is not providing this harmony either. I am NOT writing this to commit murder on your self-image, but to some you (and to my regret this old NoSeph member I
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This is certainly not a warning nor a threat cause unfortunately I am not a participant in endgame activity, but do yourself a favor and solve problems like these in a more sophisticated manner before your actions are going to bite you in your own rear.

Let's say that Cole didn't end up with lots of friends and it wasn't because of his basic thoughts on RMT.

Edited, Jan 26th 2009 6:32am by Kingofclubs
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Mmm I hate being on the fence on this issue. I can clearly see where a pickup group is coming from. Someone with 500k and a yearning for some AF and a few spare hours decides to start shouting for a run. Pretty convenient. Don't have to have it scheduled, so if you can't make it, who cares? No LS mates to let down. No promises to uphold. On the same token, because of SE's system, those who go out of their way to schedule, run, finance full out dyna shells cannot simply be ignored by the pickup groups. There is a lot of effort that goes into running any organized shell. Because of SE's flawed programming, we as players are forced to deal with this stupid situation. As cool as it is to be able to go as a pickup group whenever, I'd still have to place my vote in catwho's pool of respecting the longevity of the dyna LS that go through significant effort to keep their schedules from conflicting. For a pick up group of 5-12 people like you guys are speaking of, to ruin the entire expected evening of 30+ people no less unfair than them having the luxury of trying to claim zones for certain days at certain time slots a month or two in advance.

Nevertheless, even though there are occasional bumps where two shells have something scheduled @ same time, it is rare and when it happens it gets worked out, because there is an appreciation and respect for the effort put into running the shells. Dyna has traditionally been a long-haul kind of thing. It's even more frustrating when you have a shell that has a RDM who has been dedicated to their shell, waiting for a hat for 3 years, sitting on lots of points, their LS leaders scheduling an extra xarc per month to pump those hats out, only to have a small group interrupt those runs. Pickup groups can go any time of the month, they are free to do that. Scheduled dyna shells usually only have northlands scheduled once or twice per month, so all the other shells have a chance to also get some northlands runs in. When you take one shell's zone, then everyone trys to shift their schedules to get in that lost northland run. It's really a ripple effect.

I'm not saying that you guys are evil. You're not mean. These pickup group people aren't devils in disguise. D: They are simply ignorant to the time and effort others have invested in Dynamis, and thus there's a severe lack of understanding going on. The only way , i can personally think of, to solve the issue peacefully so both kinds of Dyna people can cooperate...is to have the dyna shells with established schedules attempt to compile their schedules in a single location, so all it takes is one look for a pickup group to see when a xarc slot is free. The dyna sticky on these forums made by catwho is just such a source of information. Unfortunately not all the dyna shells frequent these forums or care to acknowledge alla's existance, you know, the lolalla people.

Since the sticky on our server forums here doesn't really make for a 1-stop shop, who's-where-tonight source, perhaps we could consider using that dynamis calander website? I haven't looked at it, but some servers use it. I'd assume it would show LS name and time displayed in a calandar like format...o.o Maybe it's set up so just one person can edit the calandar for the entire server? That way we don't have to rely on those loner closed-in shells to step forward and post their schedules, just someone willing to keep it updated. What do you guys think?

edit: On my earlier note talking about how , by tradition DYnamis has been a linkshell only, 'in it for the long haul' kind of events, because the northlands drops were so horrible you had to get in as early as possible because the wait times were just rediculous. Now that glass prices are down and drop rates are crazy, I was actually expecting people to want to join the veteran shells that are very speedily filling their ranks with relic. When you can take 18 people and farm 700 currency and 10 pieces of AF, I'd think that's where the people who weren't sure about joining a shell would be moving on to. Perhaps since we're in this new era of dynamis perhaps things will change down the line. But for now there are still established linkshells whos toes are being stepped on. o.o The only thing that can happen is if we can't come to some agreement then it becomes either a.) battle to get to a zone first, so linkshells who scheduled a run 3 weeks ago have to rush out there, probably break down the scheduling system between linkshells because who wants to post their start time if theres potential for a pick up group to jump in 30 mins before? -This would eventually just lead to a lot of angry people who sat in a linkshell for 2-3 years waiting for that RDM hat , PLD body, THF gloves...and a lot of broken dynamis shells who just aren't seeing the stress of the chaos and randomness that they've lived on since shortly after dynamis was released. or B.) The etablished shells roll with the punches, rescheduling multiple times per month if necissary as pickup groups continue to not care who's schedule they're messing up. Pretty sure if you send a tell to any dyna shell leader or sack holder or veteran member, they'll be able to tell you what shells run in the same time slots/days as them, what their website URL is, who the leader is, and possibly what zone they are going to be in. So there is enough regular communication going on to be capable of constant rescheduling. But I'm not sure they'd all want to do it. Who wants to reschedule and/or trade zone dates all the time because they have no means of fighting back? What about the members who can't attend their shell if it trys to run 30 minutes early to beat out the pickup groups o_O

IMO seriously it just causes so much more heartache because there's way more people in a dyna shell to **** off than there are people in a pickup group. >_< And if you **** with one dyna shell, they try to reschedule to keep members happy, perhaps trading a zone with another shell, then their xarc time gets ganked so they try to reschedule too..sorry think I went over that whole ripple effect thing. What gives 5-15 random people the right to ruin the organized chances of anywhere from 18 to 100 people(single or multiple ls!)to relic? I know the question rolling immediately in your head after that is 'What gives a bunch of shells the right to claim zones anymore than someone else?' -Thats just the thing, no one has any claim more than anyone else to any zone, at any time. There are a few major differences though.

Dyna shells have more members. Dyna shells take the courtesy of scheduling in advance, so others who also wish to participate have the chance to set up their schedules, so everyone is happy. There is a sense of cooperation so everyone can reach their respective goals of AF and currency. Pickup groups don't have any of that, and thus, I think there should be some acknowledgement from pickup groups that the other shells actually do exist, and in the air of cooperation, should fall in line like the rest and atleast spend 10 minutes browsing some schedules to see if the zone you're wanting to go into is pre-scheduled or not. Worse come to worse pick a day and a time slot and schedule it up for the month. Usually the shells who check eachother's forums go by whoever schedules it first gets it, the others have to schedule around 'em. Why not do that? If you can't make a run that is on your schedule, then don't do it. At least you would be participating in the scheduling process so others who run that day/timeslot can work with you. They'd definitely be more willing, atleast.



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#35 Jan 26 2009 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Catwho is a girl. Get my gender right please. There are POIDH if you search Catwho+Boobs on Google, from what I understand. (It's a pet peeve of mine.)

And the issue is far, far more complicated that what Luci has posted here. Lets just say that this was the last straw in a long series of straw stacks stacked up. No one was kicked out from anything simply for participating in the run, because they were obviously not aware that the pickup run was ganking the zone. And I'm not the one that did any kicking; this is what happens when you maintain separate endgame linkshells with separate activities but overlapping members.

The only person whose name I set out to warn against in this post was Marylyn. Did you see any other names in the original post? The last time this happened, when Rhapsody ganked our Xarc run last May, I posted a list of all the names, because that was an actual linkshell with members who belonged to it, and we'd sent them tells asking if they were aware that another shell had scheduled the zone and got no answer. In this case it was a pickup run, so I gave everyone the benefit of the doubt and left their names off, with the warning that if it happened again there would be no such doubt benefits.

You may not agree with my tactics. But as Cole's old RMT threads proved, peer pressure enforcement is sometimes the only tool we have that works.

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#36 Jan 26 2009 at 4:55 AM Rating: Decent
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just wanted to get in on what is gearing up to be an epic thread.. ( like one of those guys that stands in front of the camera at a murder scene, and waves)
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#37 Jan 26 2009 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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We've had this problem as well. Pick up groups jumping in even though our members sent them tells saying we'd be entering an hour after they plan to.

I have no problem with pick up groups as long as they check schedules. There is a guy that shouts for pick up groups regularly, who constantly sends our shell holder tells asking if zones happen to open, or even offering the zone he was going to use if ours got ganked by another shout group.

It's really not even about, you getting the zone and us not. Its about not being a prick, and having the common courtesy to follow rules that the players have set in place to make things run smoothly.

And as far as someone getting kicked from another shell for this.. you screwed over your own member. What did you expect?
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Even though many do not want to admit it, I think that we all knew that once the price of hourglasses was cut in half, the potential for "low-man" dyna farming runs and this sort of ganking was going to increase.

As far as common courtesy goes, it includes the word common for a reason. Some things you learn, and others you just know.

Let me be real clear on this, just because you can do something doesn't make it right.

And lastly, there is more than just guilt by association. You can't walk past a group of folks wearing the same pearl, staged at markings and not have any clue to what is about to happen.

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And lastly, there is more than just guilt by association. You can't walk past a group of folks wearing the same pearl, staged at markings and not have any clue to what is about to happen.


As a matter of fact you can, especially when you are not aware of the fact that once a group is in a dynamis zone, the other group cannot get in. I am sorry if this idea doesn't fit into your set of assumptions.
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As a matter of fact you can, especially when you are not aware of the fact that once a group is in a dynamis zone, the other group cannot get in. I am sorry if this idea doesn't fit into your set of assumptions.


No, if you're going into Xarcabard, it means that you've been through at the barest minimum 5 other Dynamis zones to even gain access to the area, and you know the drill.

Nice try though.
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No, if you're going into Xarcabard, it means that you've been through at the barest minimum 5 other Dynamis zones to even gain access to the area, and you know the drill.

Nice try though.


Sorry that I didn't google the combination of the name "Catwho" and the word "boobs" (?!!!) before calling you a he. I didn't know you would make such a big deal out of it and I promise you that it will never happen again.

The quote I am referring to didn't specify any dynamis area. It could have been any dynamis for all I care. You know that and I know that since we can both read, but now you quote and apply the remark to Dynamis-Xar.

I think we only disagree on your way of solving this.
#42 Jan 26 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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And as far as someone getting kicked from another shell for this.. you screwed over your own member. What did you expect?



I didn't **** anyone over from any shell I belong to..Catwho's Dyna shell had no runs scheduled during that time, and I didn't knowingly **** anyone else over either.. I even apologized. I'm not sure of the exact time the 2 LS had scheduled Xarc, but we entered nearly 2h before we got any /tell from the leaders.

With 8 people, the run could have easily lasted an hour, and I personally didn't expect us to stay in there for 3h. We caused a -delay- in the scheduled runs, but I don't believe we totally screwed them over.

I've done dynamis for years with Dynacore and we often had people still be the zone we had "scheduled".. We often times simply waited for them to exit. If 30min is gonna throw your whole life off balance then umm... what can I say.. People regularly leave dynamis runs before they end in Dynacore I don't see how all this is ground for damnation.


To elaborate on my story since people are picking sides w/o knowing the whole of it:

As mentioned before I did dynamis with dynacore for many years. 1 week last month, I could not attend any of the 2 scheduled runs due to my RL conflicting with their times. Marylyn was shouting for dynamis-xarc, and I saw an opportunity to do a dyna run during a week I thought I couldn't. I had been first in line for Valor Surcoat in Dynacore and figured if by chance I could obtain that piece outside the LS, some other PLDs would definitely be happy to learn they're now 1 step closer to getting theirs.

Cole, who was on my FL, saw me in dyna-xarc and reported me to Dynacore leadership(Wildman) who then immediately kicked me from the shell. Apparently, being in that shell for 4 years, participating in more then 250 runs with them wasn't enough to solidify my spot in Dynacore after I did 1 run with a pick up group with all the right intentions.


Cole and Wildman are in Yamato too.. Did I **** them over? no i did not.. Did they **** me over? yes they did.. but I lived on.

Yamato is a sky\sea shell I was part of for about 2 years. I was among the leaders in points throughout my time with them so my efforts put forth for them was undeniable. I obtained some nice items from Yamato which I totaly earned and deserved. I butted heads with leaders a few times regarding some rules and some changes were sometimes made following our discussions. Changes that the whole shell benefited from and still benefit from.Proof of this is the many /tells I'd get from people thanking me for speaking up when they didn't have the courage to.

I left Yamato on my own because I got tired of sky\sea and the growing bad atmosphere in the shell with a couple members with whom I never saw eye to eye.

I left on seemingly good terms, as the leaders(deku and pravus) told me they were sad to see me leave and hope that I would one day come back. Nothing was said about returning any gear.

I even continued to do einerjar with them for several months..up until last night when I was kicked out of the blue.


Several months, a year maybe after leaving Yamato I had the idea to sell my Novio earring because IMO 20m gil > 7MAB. So I had my earring for sale for a couple months until some night in rolanberry someone bought it for 20m. This gil is now reinvested into my character with updgrades to several pieces for my numerous jobs.

Even after selling the earring I continued to do einerjar with them, and heard nothing from the leadership about the sale. The earring was mine, I was never asked to return it, I was no longer a member, and it was long time after I left..

I had 50+ runs with them in einerjar, killed several Odins and even obtained m.body from the last one we did. I did several other runs with them after obtaining the body.. and there was no issues whatsoever.



So last night I was kicked from the einerjar group apparently for breaking, according to Catwho "the last straw in a long series of straw stacks stacked up".

So this "last" straw apparently was participating in this pick up dyna group with Marylyn. Something totally unrelated to Yamato or ANY of it's members. This is why I say Catwho purposely and maliciously interfered with my game play... just as Cole and Wildman did.


I had done nothing to personally offend any of these people but they still felt the need to personally hurt my game play and kick me out of shells I had a lot of friends in(the main reason I enjoyed doing events with those shells).

And now I'm threatened on the internet to have my end-game reputation ruined by the self-proclaimed Queen of Seraph. Do you think I'm gonna stand by silently while people with malicious intent try to **** me over? I think not.



On a final note, I agree that its unfortunate that some LS was denied the zone while we were inside and hope it it can be avoided the next time I do a pick up dyna. I apologized, and I apologize again to those disgruntled people who were polite enough to express themselves to me in a mature manner. But when people like Catwho react so rudely and goes on an internet and FFXi crusade to ruin my game, I feel that fire should be fought with fire.. and if I have an opportunity to interfere with their game play, then I will in order to return the favor.


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#43 Jan 26 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lots of cool stuff for his side of the story.


Cool, man. I agree, this thread really isn't about catwho, or marylyn, or you or anyone single individual. It's really turned into this discussion about how, if any, there is a way that we can make it easier for pickup groups to discover what zones are free, the evening they are going to go.

I think another easier way than having some central web source that pickup groups have to agree to look at and abide by, perhaps we can simply put 3 people per linkshell who are contactable, who have the largest variety of playtime(s) so there is almost always atlesat 1 of them online, either AFK sleeping/work or something like that, and attach those contact names to catwho's post. Would that work? Remember, like I said, most Dyna leaders/sack holders/some veteran members will know exactly how many shells run in the same time slot as them on the days they go. So all a pickup group would have to do is contact 1 of however many dyna leaders are going to have their shells do runs that evening(if 3 shells are running that evening thats a potential of 9 people to talk to), and ask one of them. This eliminates having to go to the individual websites and taps on the knowledge that dyna vets typically sit on. o.ob

Does that work better, marylyn/luci/maho/(is that sib the 4th? xP i c u thar)? o.o what if you guys just agree to spread the word that there is a list of contact ppl on alla seraph forums and once the list is complete someone put it up on KI and wiki and FFXIonline or something. I'm **** well sure the leaders who are put on the contact list would be way more happy to get a few extra tells about who's going where tonight rather than be suprised and upset their scheduled zone isn't available. =D
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#44 Jan 26 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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As a general rule, if someone's non-Xarc zone is ganked, then its not as big a deal. There are 9 other zones available, and for the most part a linkshell isn't extremely upset to shift from Windurst to Sandoria, for example.

But there are certain things that can only be done in Xarcabard that have nothing to do with farming relic gear, and that is why stealing a Xarc is so heartbreaking. Fragment runs and Dynamis Lord for clears cannot be done in any other zone, period.

Congratulations on your paladin top, Luci. I know you deserved it. However, had I been in Wildman's shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. Dynacore is sometimes full to overflowing, but NoSephiroth is not, and if anyone in our linkshell is found on the server, not in Dynamis during the run, they can and will be kicked out of the shell. (We've done it before, we'll do it again.) This is pretty much standard policy for ALL Dynamis linkshells, and I'm sorry you feel you were treated unfairly.

You also have to take into account, this isn't just tattling to linkshell leaders. This is griefing my friends. Not so long ago I would have counted you among that number, and vehemently defended you just as much as I am BtD in this thread.
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#45 Jan 26 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho wrote:
Marylyn, you are officially ON NOTICE


catwho wrote:
From now on, anyone that accepts a "pickup" Xarcabard from this person is as guilty as she is.


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You can either play nice and find a time to schedule REGULAR Xarcabard runs like everyone else on the server, or you can earn the wrath and ire of everyone else in endgame.



Every other issue aside, this permeating belief that you think you speak for the entirety of the server **** me off to no end. Get over yourself.

Edited, Jan 26th 2009 5:29pm by renasci
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Congratulations on your paladin top, Luci. I know you deserved it. However, had I been in Wildman's shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. Dynacore is sometimes full to overflowing, but NoSephiroth is not, and if anyone in our linkshell is found on the server, not in Dynamis during the run, they can and will be kicked out of the shell. (We've done it before, we'll do it again.) This is pretty much standard policy for ALL Dynamis linkshells, and I'm sorry you feel you were treated unfairly.

You also have to take into account, this isn't just tattling to linkshell leaders. This is griefing my friends. Not so long ago I would have counted you among that number, and vehemently defended you just as much as I am BtD in this thread.



Thank you, the surcoat dropped our very last mob that run, I was very lucky to obtain it.


Thing is, I wasn't online during their dynamis runs. I couldn't be, that's why I took the shout dyna in the first place, otherwise I would have done the runs with Dynacore. I even let them know ahead of time (posted a topic on the LS forum a couple months earlier) that I would be having trouble attending Dynamis in the future because of my new business and the varying hours I put in.

It just seems to me, with all that's happen and having all these people all somewhow related to Yamato, that there's some angry mob out there out to get me and quite frankly I don't see why I would deserve such treatment.


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Many shells (mine included) have a rule stated that you may not attend a run with any other shell while a member of our ls. We had to remove someone very recently for going with another shell. W/e the reason is, rules are rules.

Idk if Dynacore has such a rule, but it would explain that situation if they did.
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This wasn't even my linkshell that got bumped. I'm just to go to person when there are scheduling conflicts that can't be resolved. (So no, I don't speak for all of endgame, just a good portion of the existing Dynamis linkshells.)

For those who are claiming that there were two scheduled linkshells in the zone Saturday and the issue was resolved peacefully, the same thing happened earlier in the week with another linkshell, and that issue was not resolved peacefully at all. (I saw the screenshots.) Had it been resolved amicably, had this not been the 2nd time the zone was ganked by the same person who did it knowing what she was doing, I would not have even started all this drama llama over it.

This discussions have to get out in the open and resolved publicly, before this becomes a trend. I've claimed to be 99% sweetheart; this is the 1% **** that lurks within you're seeing right now.

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#50 Jan 26 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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We

A. Have an inactive list, for people that have issues like this.

B. Have a rule that you can only do with us.

C. You later denied being in the zone with that group when Wild asked you about it the next day.



Point is, if you start hopping around to zones all crazy, you do it with someone else, not with Dynacore. The policy since the start has been, you do with us, and with us only. If we did not have this rule, older players would only come northlands and CoP, leaving the rest of us to work the cities with lower #s than we already have.

This LS has a joint purpose if you remember, to get armor AND upgrade relics. If you wanted to join a LS to get you northlands faster, find one that only has to break even on runs. We on the other hand have around 15 people actively upgrading weapons at a given time and need city runs to make the LS work.

You broke the rules, you tried lying to get around it, and now you have to deal with it Luci. The Yamato/Dynacore/Einenjar kickings are unrelated. You were kicked from Dynacore for breaking the rules and then lying to the leadership. Einenjar is completely unrelated to Dynacore, all people do there is show up, kill things, then get out, and only see each other for 2 hours a week. Don't go keeping on with this grand conspiracy, you were kicked for breaking known rules that we have kicked people from numerous times before, so deal with it.
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Luci, you're an awesome player and I was very sad to see you go, not to mention many of your friends remained in Yamato doing events, so I never understood why you would leave us just because a few people didn't like you.

There's no conspiracy. It's just been a series of events that culminated in the pick up dyna-zone.

When you quit the shell, you dropped your pearl and asked for it back just so you could come to einherjar. So from day 1, there was a perception that you would only come to events that benefited you. Whether that's true or not I can't say, but the leaders heard that from many people.

When the whole episode over selling your JoL earrings occurred and you put taunting /seacoms to people who disliked it, you commented to me people were trying to use it to kick you from Einherjar. So I'm sure you were aware that you weren't winning over friends by doing that.

Getting kicked from Dynacore may seem irrelevant to you and it probably is had you not continued to do pickup Dynamis runs with the same leader that stole other people's Xarcabards, but Wildman and Cole were not only your leaders in Dynacore but your team mates in Einherjar. How could you not put 2 and 2 together?

I wish for the happy Luci who was always there to do things with us from 2 years ago. You make people unhappy and the leaders hear about it. You do things that **** people off and the leaders hear about it and it makes our events more and more difficult to run, including einherjar. Like I said yesterday, we gave you so many chances and you don't seem to appreciate it.

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