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#52 Feb 06 2008 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have some serious issues with people that download music. It's has nothing to do with the fact that our current copyright system is absolute crap. It has to do with the fact that you are getting something for free that someone created for the purpose of selling. It's not 1 hour in the studio to create an album and have it be done. It's usually 3-6 months of 18+ hour days of recording, rerecording, producing, post-production, going back over the originals, adjusting the mix on each of the tracks, and so on. Most musicians make minuscule amounts of money off of each album sold. In fact, most professional musicians would be considered at the poverty level. Record labels purchase the fancy cars, and houses and throw the parties and then give them or loan them to the musicians. Musicians make the most of their money when touring and going to concerts.

Now, why does this make downloading music "bad"? They're not LOSING money, maybe you wouldn't have bought the album in the first place. Maybe no one would have. But what most people don't understand (or they do and don't care) is that the music you downloaded was hosted somewhere. 95% of the music downloaded is using a peer to peer filesharing program, which means everyone running the program is hosting the files as well as downloading others. So in effect, you may have been benign in your downloading of the music ("They were recommended to me, I wanted to listen before I bought it", etc.) but you then become a server for whoever wants to download the music themselves. You are not just downloading the music, you're redistributing it amongst any who cares to download it.

In addition to the rights of the creators, the peer to peer filesharing software is some of the most poorly written pieces of **** out there. They utilize as much of the available bandwidth as possible, without any throttling, latency detection or any other methods of determining when it's getting lower speeds because it is saturating the circuit. It will upload at the full capacity, meaning other internet based traffic you try to attempt will be seriously impacted as well as flooding the downstream with incoming files. It sounds like that's what you want to do, send others files as fast as you can and download files as fast as you can, which is fine, so long as you are doing absolutely nothing else on the internet. The instant you begin web browsing, or say, playing ffxi, it is noticeable. A few of the programs have "throttles" in them that really do nothing at all except set the packet size that it's sending. Setting the "bandwith limit" or "upstream speed" does nothing for it because it is sending at the same rate, it is just prepared to queue any packets that can't be transmitted.

Why should the creators of something not have the decision over whether others can give it away or not? I write software, I write web applications, I write music. I've released a lot of software under the GPL, allowing for others to modify and redistribute it. I've also NOT released a lot of software under the GPL because if everything I do is essentially given away, how do I pay my bills? The same applies for everything, the creator should have the right and the ability to say "No, Catwho, as cool as you are, you can't give my stuff away for free." or to say "Sure thing, Dagiraffe, give it all away."

Our copyright system is flawed in that the current interpretation of it considers the medium in which the product was on, not on the product itself. The current goals of the RIAA and other, similar groups, is to allow you to have only 1 copy per purchase. I.e., buy an album on CD, you can have that CD, but you can't transfer the CD to another medium, like a hard drive, or change the format to mp3 and transfer it to a music player.

Ok, I think I'm done with my rant. You folks don't have to stop downloading music, just understand the full implications of what you're doing.
#53 Feb 06 2008 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Mostly I download music that is not easily available -- I can't go out to the store and grab an Ayumi Hamasaki CD, nor can I download any of my favorite local indie bands from itunes. I haven't actually sought out music that I could get legitimately any other way in a long time; on the other hand, I upload P2P recordings through Vuze of bands here in Athens that give away their CDs and give us permission to share freely (hey, the more people that listen to their music, the more chances they have of being the next Widespread Panic), and DJ remixes that were never released on CD.

On the third hand, I purchased some "cheap" anime CDs a long time ago that I later found out were bootlegs. "Everanime" CDs were a third of the price of the Japanese imports listed on various websites, but the company was based out of Taiwan. Once I found out that not a penny of the money for those CDs was going to the artists, I tried to find the same CDs on Yesasia, but they're out of print. And they're not on eBay. Would it have been better to download the music from a file sharing site, rather than pay money to a group of thieves? I think so, in this instance, and that is the analogy I was trying to make. Selling your account for cash encourages the black market for accounts, which in turn feeds the demand for RMT of all kinds. I'd rather not finance anyone than end up financing thieves.

This is obviously a passionate subject for both of us, from opposite ends of the spectrum. My fiance was one of the founders of the US branch of the Pirate Party. I respect the rights of living artists to control and profit from their work, but not the corporations that continue to profit from them up to a hundred years after the artist's death.

Edited, Feb 6th 2008 6:47pm by catwho
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#54 Feb 06 2008 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Mostly I download music that is not easily available -- I can't go out to the store and grab an Ayumi Hamasaki CD, nor can I download any of my favorite local indie bands from itunes.
Edited, Feb 6th 2008 6:47pm by catwho


You like indie? =O

Last I knew only the has-beens were broke anyways... most of these artists own houses worth more than my life is. (STFU, anyone with a comment towards that last sentence... you aren't funny. GTFO. You suck. No. STFU. Don't try to insult me. STFU. No. No. No. Stop. STFU.)
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#55 Feb 06 2008 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Naw, it's the wannabes that are broke and desperate. hence, they hand out burned copies of their own CDs and say "share! share! and come to our live next Friday, $10 cover charge at tasty world, 'kay?"

Lessee, in my stack we have:

Aztec Radio (took a class with their drummer)
JAR (high school classmates in that one)
Nobody Likes Beasley (friends in this one)
. . . something I can't read, it got smeared, but they work in my office
And a few dozen more.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#56 Feb 06 2008 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Naw, it's the wannabes that are broke and desperate. hence, they hand out burned copies of their own CDs and say "share! share! and come to our live next Friday, $10 cover charge at tasty world, 'kay?"

Lessee, in my stack we have:

Aztec Radio (took a class with their drummer)
JAR (high school classmates in that one)
Nobody Likes Beasley (friends in this one)
. . . something I can't read, it got smeared, but they work in my office
And a few dozen more.


Very interesting... never would have guessed. lol
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#57 Feb 06 2008 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I live in Athens. There's a band in every apartment complex.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#58Whosyodaddy, Posted: Feb 07 2008 at 6:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The fact you think only gear and casting a couple spells proves the fact that you are ignorant on the blm job and dont know anything in depth reguarding it. The same applies to DagiraffeFTL with the lack of knowledge on the job. There is much much more to the job mechanics than what you think. Ask any of the other top BLM's like Miggy, Mutato (unfortunately quit), and some other blm I cant think of the name right now.
#59Whosyodaddy, Posted: Feb 07 2008 at 6:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Also Markas, I can call Catwho whatever the **** I want because this is a public forum. It's too bad there isnt jack **** you can do about it :)
#60 Feb 07 2008 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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Everyone else, with the exception of friends, are simply tools that you use in order to progress in the game.


Funny, I thought they were human beings with thoughts and feelings, which is the way I generally treat people. In exchange I'm generally treated with courtesy and respect back. I also don't hold grudges too long; there are a few exceptions but most of them have been banned by now. I pride myself on being amiable enough to get along with anyone in the game.

Also, you just described what I refer to as a "moo" -- which I shall hope to god NEVER be. For one thing, I'm having my uterus removed or otherwise disabled at the earliest opportunity because I don't want my flawed genes floating around the pool. Kids are ucky. Cats are enough for me. Therefore, I do not need a minivan. I drive a Honda Accord. And the stickers are currently: "How is electing another Clinton going to change anything?" and the usual assortment of Athens junk, band stickers, and UGA alumnus stickers.

I still have fun in this game, which is why I play. It's cheap entertainment, far cheaper than cable or movies.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#61 Feb 07 2008 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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lol

You lost already.

/yourself
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#62 Feb 07 2008 at 10:37 PM Rating: Default
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The fact you think only gear and casting a couple spells proves the fact that you are ignorant on the blm job and dont know anything in depth reguarding it. The same applies to DagiraffeFTL with the lack of knowledge on the job. There is much much more to the job mechanics than what you think. Ask any of the other top BLM's like Miggy, Mutato (unfortunately quit), and some other blm I cant think of the name right now.


Please. Only idiots who are mediocre at their job pretend that their job is complex. Black Mage is one of the easiest jobs in FFXI, and it relies mainly on gear. BLM, just like most jobs in FFXI, is stupidly easy, don't pretend it isn't.
#63 Feb 08 2008 at 3:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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@#%^ you SE, and @#%^ you idiots on this forum. I'm almost tempted to come back just to level another character to 75 and make another grand or so just to spite you.

Aokji you are a very ignorant sock who doesnt know anything about BLM and how much more there is to it than gear and merits. The reason you dont reveal your identity is because you will just get laughed at because once everyone knows, they will laugh at how much sh*t you talk when you cannot back it up whatsoever.

Dagiraffe, even with the gear you had before you never played the job good in parties. It was much more than 1 party, by the way. You couldnt even @#%^ing solo 1 pudding, which most blms can do with their eyes closed. You also cannot use the gear and merits excuse, because your sheer stupidity of the job is what made you pathetic.

Catwho, you are generally a good person and respect rules, which isnt wrong. At the same time you cannot go so overboard and say its a slap in the fact to the people I partied with by selling my account. The player puts the time and effort in, and whatever they want to do with their account is their choice. Over 4 years of play time, not even to mention purchasing 3 copies of the game for being banned, thats about a total of $100, plus all of the monthly fees for those years. SE @#%^ed me out of enough money, so If I wish to sell my account then more power to me.

Markas, get your nose out of people's @#%^s. I dont think its quite too healthy to be inhaling sh*t for such a long period of time. Try getting a breath of fresh air every now and then, THEN stuff that nose back into their ass.



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#64 Feb 08 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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You were good untill you had to go overboard on that last post whosyo. D:

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People do not party with others to help THEM level, they party with people to level their own character


I do. If my friends and myself are going to set up a static at X level, and they want to bring Y jobs for it, then I'll see if I have anything I can level with them untill they hit that X level for the static. It's always fun to have a good LS member party with you, especially when there are so few raw#'s of people around at the lower levels. o.ob

I think selling an account is not a huge big major issue today like it was 1, 2, or 3 years ago. RMT do not show a sizeable competing force at end-game. They tried for years but we as players pretty much owned their asses to make it unprofitable to attempt end-game fulltime in competition with us for gil. Because of that, selling an account and having a potential RMT buy it is not such a big blow. Back then it would have been because they have another powerful tool to win their fights. Now they typically become a glorified mule, you don't need a super powerful endgame character to do the mundane tasks RMT do nowadays.

Still, when you have a lot of gear that was by no means a solo effort, it -could- be considered more of a 'sh*ts on you, thanks for the help getting all this gear but its time for me to cash in' - to the linkshell that helped you get all the gear. But going by that train of thought, one could also say the gear was LS 'property'-which it clearly wasn't. A better analogy would be if you won a car on Oprah because you are a single parent struggling to pay the bills and without a reliable car you can't be everywhere yo uneed to be on time for you and your kids...then you turn around and sell it because its an 'oprah car'- and then you buy a junker with money to spare. Its kind of a slap to oprah's generosity. 'Thanks for the car- but I don't want your hand outs, I'd rather have the cash to indulge myself.' The deed itself is inherantly marked with a feeling of greed and selfishness, wether the intentions are there or not. Thats where the phrase we here so much comes into play, 'actions speak louder than words.' - And I hate when it's always right -_-

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 10:47am by FenrirXIII
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#65 Feb 08 2008 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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LMAO Markas...

Ignore this fool. He's got no point. No purpose. Not to mention he's already out of insults and becoming repetitive. I remain to take the heat for it... but, it's fun... Not like any of his comments bother me or anyone else. lol.

Once again.

Save yourself some time and dignity.

Stop posting.

Accept your defeat gracefully.

There is no way you can ever dig yourself out of the hole you're in now.

P.S.- If you do level another character to 75 and sell it... it'll only make me laugh more. I mean... what's the worst that could happen... you're gona tell me I suck some more? LOL
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