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#1 Sep 16 2008 at 1:18 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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Well, i see my post worked as i wanted.
Lol guys im not racist, i have nothing against Americans and my whole LS and friends know, that i wish to move to the States.
The reson i wanted to do this post is to make those ppl that insulted and abused of my team members the same way my members felt when receiving those insults.
Its not nice to feel hated, Do you understand now what my members felt with no reason? now think twice.
I would have though of the possibility of joining the calendar, some ppl talked to me nicely about this, but i was already tired of being threatened and insulted before even try to talk, so i decided not to.
I dont care what ppl thinks about me, i have my personal problems as we all have in real life, and this kind of stuff is just sugar to my life againts the real problems i have to face, but not everyone is as strong as im, my friends (my ls) have been feeling bad and they dont deserve it, so you just got some hate back from me.
the main post on this thread was made with the sole excuse to make you feel the same way u guys made us feel, nothing of what was said on it reflects my thoughs or personality.
Im not a person that likes revenge, not even punishing (¬¬ that was the reason i broke Dynamis, because i wasnt unable to punish taking points off and stuff to make ppl cooperate)but i felt like i was needing to give you a leason of ppl feelings, you havent even scratched me with those comments, but u have teared the feelings of my friends, being them guilty of nothing, and thats more important than a dynamis run.
#2Lionze, Posted: Sep 16 2008 at 2:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Btw the reason im not going UNDER an AMERICAN CALENDAR its because im already punishing my EU members too much by going to bed at 5-6 am, to even make them go laters because of scheduling.
#3 Sep 16 2008 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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@.@; geebus Lionze.

I must say you have a way of riling people into a frenzy. For future reference tho; if we happen to have trouble with other linkshell's again, please don't do that again. Racism and hate even if it was to get attention isn't forgotten as easily as "Oh it was a joke! Ha ha ha ha ha........." People may not change their minds of your fake views from the previous post. I knew that wasn't how you felt because the fact I know you. People that don't tho will have a harder time accepting this reverse post you placed. All we can hope for is that people will see the point you are trying to make. Plus it makes my job harder in trying to communicate with everyone for a better means of the dynamis world. I hope you feel better now Lionze. No more angry posts. You want something resolved? Think clearly and post it objectively. You'll find people are more receptive that way.
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#4 Sep 16 2008 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Lionze wrote:
I feel sorry for the post i made accusing americans of retars, it was made in angry cuz im tired of seeing the injustice my members are living. and as i say, to put yourselves on the same situation they have been living.


We know that, that's why I can laugh at it. But, if people don't know you it's kinda tough to assume anything else from that post. lol
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#5 Sep 16 2008 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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lol!

What a horribly lame attempt at doing damage control. Lionze, you are so transparent. Do you really think anyone believes that your other post was supposed to teach us a lesson? You're incredibly pathetic and I don't buy your crap for one second. You're nothing but a racist pig who is backpeddling on previous comments so you don't lose the American members of your shell. The fact is, no one has "attacked" your members. They've been called out for rude, belligerent, and harassing people...but that isn't "attacking" them. In fact, it was the members of your linkshell that viciously attacked a number of members of other shells, and those people got fed up with it. All you did was attack further, and show the reason behind it all...you hate Americans. You're sick.
#6Jereth, Posted: Sep 16 2008 at 7:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, I can't say that post of his was the best tactic in the world, but I can point out that if he did hate Americans that much, he never would've let them in the LS.
#7 Sep 16 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Default
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Jereth wrote:

Well, I can't say that post of his was the best tactic in the world, but I can point out that if he did hate Americans that much, he never would've let them in the LS.


So, did southern plantationers love or even like the slaves they purchased? Um...think again. People will temporarily overcome their hatred of a people if those people are able to help them with something, either voluntarily or by force.
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#9 Sep 16 2008 at 7:32 AM Rating: Default
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Bummage wrote:
So, did southern plantationers love or even like the slaves they purchased? Um...think again. People will temporarily overcome their hatred of a people if those people are able to help them with something, either voluntarily or by force.


Some did and some did not, I suggest you learn history better. Also, I know the difference between using people and friendship. After all, I'm not just merely speculating from the outside like you are. I talk to him on a daily basis on IM, and I am American and he does not hate me.

Do you lend people you hate gil when they just gotta have their next HQ staff today rather than wait for crap to sell on the AH?

You see, lets pretend something. Lets pretend you're talking out of your backside and have not much to support your claims outside of some stupid post. Lets also pretend you can't admit your wrong because you're insecure. Lets also pretend I have way more authoritative opinions on the anti-American matter because I spend time with the guy that you obviously don't.

And lets just blaze over one point of his, he said he wouldn't mind moving here. And I know that to be true, because unlike you I talk to him.

Now, far be it from me to rain on your narrow-minded parade. Stick to the dynamis argument. At least on that front you don't look as foolish (but barely so).

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 10:33am by Jereth
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#10 Sep 16 2008 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Jereth wrote:

Some did and some did not, I suggest you learn history better.


Me? lol...you're an idiot. Removing someone's freedom does not correlate with a feeling a fondness, like or love.

Jereth wrote:

Also, I know the difference between using people and friendship. After all, I'm not just merely speculating from the outside like you are. I talk to him on a daily basis on IM, and I am American and he does not hate me.


Sounds like he has you fooled. I guess some people are are just too easy.

Jereth wrote:

Do you lend people you hate gil when they just gotta have their next HQ staff today rather than wait for crap to sell on the AH?


Ah, so he bought your friendship. Everyone has a price.

Jereth wrote:

You see, lets pretend something. Lets pretend you're talking out of your backside and have not much to support your claims outside of some stupid post. Lets also pretend you can't admit your wrong because you're insecure. Lets also pretend I have way more authoritative opinions on the anti-American matter because I spend time with the guy that you obviously don't.

And lets just blaze over one point of his, he said he wouldn't mind moving here. And I know that to be true, because unlike you I talk to him.

Now, far be it from me to rain on your narrow-minded parade. Stick to the dynamis argument. At least on that front you don't look as foolish (but barely so).


I know, let's pretend you're not an idiot. Nah...too difficult. You keep going around the same BS, making accusations/claims, and then failing to give any points to back them up. You fail at debate because your limited intelligence only allows you to call names.

There are leaders and followers in this world, and you fall most definitely in the latter category. You're a weak minded individual which is exemplified by your undying loyalty to a linkshell leader who holds an inherent hatred for your race. That makes you as guilty as him for perpetuating the racism exhibited here.
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#12 Sep 16 2008 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Btw the reason im not going UNDER an AMERICAN CALENDAR its because im already punishing my EU members too much by going to bed at 5-6 am, to even make them go laters because of scheduling.
for your info being on the calendar was my very porpouse at the beggining when i got to know it existance, but how do you do that when u are being threatened?, because is that what i got, insults and threatenings, so accept your part of responsability as i accept the bad fame i got.


ok... how is using the calendar punishing EU players? YOU CAN PICK ANYTIME YOU WANT, ITS A CALENDAR. Posting on it doesnt affect the EU players at all. All you give are lame excuses. And honestly, you are no real leader. I feel sorry for your members. Some seem to have better sense than you do. I hope then end up leaving and you are stuck with the other people who follow you blindly.
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#13 Sep 16 2008 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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#14 Sep 16 2008 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Bummage wrote:
Me? lol...you're an idiot. Removing someone's freedom does not correlate with a feeling a fondness, like or love.


Once again you're narrow minded. Let me use crayon's here for you with an example. Lets say I lived in that time period where it was legal, but I wanted to make sure people weren't treated worse. The only way to make sure they aren't bought by a tyrant is to buy them yourself. Sure, the system was stupid, but with it in place some people had to play the game. And that IS an act of compassion. A little common sense goes a long way, so try using it.

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Sounds like he has you fooled. I guess some people are are just too easy.


Yeah you should know better than me considering you've never had a real conversation with him. Speaking of foolish...

Bummage wrote:
Ah, so he bought your friendship. Everyone has a price.


Wrong again. Since you know everything I suppose there's no need in saying this, but we were friends BEFORE that occurred. Of course, since you don't understand time (as has been proven)...

Bummage wrote:
I know, let's pretend you're not an idiot. Nah...too difficult. You keep going around the same BS, making accusations/claims, and then failing to give any points to back them up. You fail at debate because your limited intelligence only allows you to call names.


lol, thank you for reminding me that I'm soo much better off than some people in this world. I owe you one.

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There are leaders and followers in this world, and you fall most definitely in the latter category. You're a weak minded individual which is exemplified by your undying loyalty to a linkshell leader who holds an inherent hatred for your race.


I suppose I'm weak because I'm not easily fooled by some whiny idiot on a website. I suppose I'm only a follower too, that has started LSes and about to start a business IRL and I work as an independent contractor - which is being self-employeed since you're retarded. I guess you must be right. So glad you know everything there is to know from just one post.

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That makes you as guilty as him for perpetuating the racism exhibited here.


There you go showing your lack of sense again. YOU'RE perpetuating it by not shutting up about it. I never excused it. But, why should I let the truth stop you, you're on a roll.

I'm gonna do in this thread the same, enjoy your sad life. Until you can produce rational thinking then by all means win at your loser's game.

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 12:44pm by Jereth
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#15 Sep 16 2008 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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Jereth, you too are a leader of Starmakers, I suggest you take a look at how other officers, such as Kysah are acting and realize that your bickering does not seem very leader like. I hope you are able to come in agreement with other officers, and if you really agree with how lionze is acting, to the point of defending his ludicrous behavior, then I hope the other officers come to realize that they are better without people like this. The fact that you aren't appalled by his ridiculous posts seem to speak volumes.

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#16 Sep 16 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Tokyorose wrote:
Jereth, you too are a leader of Starmakers, I suggest you take a look at how other officers, such as Kysah are acting and realize that your bickering does not seem very leader like. I hope you are able to come in agreement with other officers, and if you really agree with how lionze is acting, to the point of defending his ludicrous behavior, then I hope the other officers come to realize that they are better without people like this. The fact that you aren't appalled by his ridiculous posts seem to speak volumes.


Well I do agree about the bickering being bad. My beef is with Bummage only (we all have our weaknesses, and bickering with fools like Bummage is mine I guess).

Not to reiterate what as been said, but I have mentioned I do not endorse Lionze's posts more than once. Please do not let Bummage's childish musings dilute that point, as I never once said otherwise. My stance should be evident to anyone who actually reads my posts IMO. So I find it odd you say what you did.

But, I will not berate Lionze on this forum however. There is zero point in me bickering in a public forum about Lionze's post for the world to see outside of me saying it's not endorsed - which I said already. To me, that is being a leader. Not making every last thing public just for people's entertainment is a sign of positive action, not the other way around. :)

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 1:05pm by Jereth
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#17 Sep 16 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Tokyorose wrote:
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Btw the reason im not going UNDER an AMERICAN CALENDAR its because im already punishing my EU members too much by going to bed at 5-6 am, to even make them go laters because of scheduling.
for your info being on the calendar was my very porpouse at the beggining when i got to know it existance, but how do you do that when u are being threatened?, because is that what i got, insults and threatenings, so accept your part of responsability as i accept the bad fame i got.


ok... how is using the calendar punishing EU players? YOU CAN PICK ANYTIME YOU WANT, ITS A CALENDAR. Posting on it doesnt affect the EU players at all. All you give are lame excuses. And honestly, you are no real leader. I feel sorry for your members. Some seem to have better sense than you do. I hope then end up leaving and you are stuck with the other people who follow you blindly.


rose most of the free time comes after our actual run times, wich means much later, thats punishing
#18 Sep 16 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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rose most of the free time comes after our actual run times, wich means much later, thats punishing

Then make a run time that the average ls member can attend? I dont understand what you are arguing about. Joining this calendar, you post the time you are mostly likely available on.
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#19 Sep 16 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lionze wrote:
rose most of the free time comes after our actual run times, wich means much later, thats punishing


Lionze, again you don't seem to quite understand the prcoess, and primary functions of the Calendar.
  • Starsmakers LS representative registers on the forum for the Calendar
  • The LS representative gets his/her account set up by the admins
  • The LS representative gets their account settings set up for time zone etc.
  • The LS representative takes the time/day their LS has agreed to run
  • The LS representative checks those time/days to see what is available
  • If for example the other linkshells that run in your time/day frame have Jeuno, Xarcabard, and Beaucedine taken you must choose an alternative
  • The remaining zones would be Windurst, San d'Oria, Bastok, and the COP areas
  • The LS representative must be sure to note that even though no one has those zones at the exact time you may wish to do a run, you need to also be sure that any zone you choose does not have a linkshell that has a time/day reserved that will start before your run could possibly end
  • If after looking over the Calender you find a time/day and run available you reserve it by putting in your LS name, followed by the time you are doing the run in either GMT or NA time zones at your preference
  • The LS representative my not get the exact zone they wished initially, but after a couple weeks of taking what's only available with no conflict you will reach a point of having your choice of zones
  • Most linkshells plan one month in advance, so it would be advised to do this as well to maintain your preferred area selections

All the new Dynamis linkshells that have come before you in the NA/EU time frame have paid their dues, and had to take whatever was available at first. Consider it a right of passage that your LS must endure to be part of the Dynamis community here on Ragnarok.

You seem to view it as a punishment tool versus what it is in reality. You are going to have to move from your selfish train of thought and towards one of selflessness. True you will not get the zones you want at first, but in time if you do as listed above you will be able to get the zones you want. It just takes patience, understanding, and time to achieve this.
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#20 Sep 16 2008 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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rose most of the free time comes after our actual run times, wich means much later, thats punishing

Then make a run time that the average ls member can attend? I dont understand what you are arguing about. Joining this calendar, you post the time you are mostly likely available on.


the conflict come that we cant even start 20 minutes earlier cuz our USA members ar still @work/school or getting to their houses, we cant do 20 minutes later than what we do already, cuz we are sleeping in EU 2-4 hours before going to work/school or both wich is my case.

It is a conflict to get "that" exact time we do our runs, and have availability on that calendar, and as i said on the main post of this thread, from the beggining we have being threatened, even when i did not know it existance, so if you mix time conflicts and another LS threatening us, then u got the reason why i havent joined the calendar.

Actually all that matter can be fixed if we get to a real conversation, not with ppl acting like bummage or stuff that only tries us to fight harder to enjoy themselves. I made the "i hate the americans" post to make you understand your previous post promoting "hate starsmaker LS members" as you did before, like it or not it was a payback, i dont care if you trust me or not, i dont care what ppl thinks about me, i care about my members (every single one) and if you think u havent damaged them, u havent make them suffer or feel bad, just ask to them, and they were guilty of nothing.

I made this tread to bring peace, and my members names cleaned and a solution to all this matter, the solution is get into a serious "real time" chat and find ways, I really want to end this and make peace, but it seems ppl here still wants war.

you should apreciate im talking, i dont spend my time of ppl i dont know, i only care of my ppl, im trying to make an appointment were we can all be agreed and find a real solution, but ppl here only brings insults and stupidity, have someone here tried to bring any solution, plan, good talking or promote peace? my ls members only.
#21 Sep 16 2008 at 12:44 PM Rating: Default
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Jereth wrote:

Once again you're narrow minded. Let me use crayon's here for you with an example.


Yes, with the caliber of your posts it does seem that crayons are more apt of a writing instrument for you.

Jereth wrote:

Lets say I lived in that time period where it was legal, but I wanted to make sure people weren't treated worse. The only way to make sure they aren't bought by a tyrant is to buy them yourself.


So now the slave owners were noble in that they bought slaves to avoid the mean people from getting them. AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. I'm dying here, are you for real? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds.

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A little common sense goes a long way, so try using it.


lol, ya...common sense that owners bought their slaves to be compassionate and save them from other slave owners? Do you have any idea how disrespectful that comment is to the black people of this country? You pretty much just said that slave owners did them a favor. You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ***.

Jereth wrote:
I suppose I'm weak


Yep.

Jereth wrote:
I suppose I'm only a follower too, that has started LSes and about to start a business IRL and I work as an independent contractor - which is being self-employeed since you're retarded.


oooo...here comes the self-proclaimed list of what makes you so wonderful. All crafted so unimaginatively from your mind. lol! btw, I'm head of a multi-billion corporation and have 10,000 people working for me and make millions of dollars a year. See how easy that was? I can do it too. Moron.

Jereth wrote:
There you go showing your lack of sense again. YOU'RE perpetuating it by not shutting up about it.


You'd like that wouldn't you? Me to shut up that is. You can't handle it anymore so instead of walking away your asking me to shut up. No way dude, game is on. :)

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So now the slave owners were noble in that they bought slaves to avoid the mean people from getting them. AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. I'm dying here, are you for real? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds.


I am not concerned with the rest of your thoughtless diatribe as you're just a baby who can't be wrong and do nothing but yes/no argue and whine. But, in regards to this, I never did once say all slave owners were good. In that were in fact the case, then my point would be my contradictory in the first place as there is nothing to protect against.

And before you say otherwise, there was no contraindication outside of what you made up, since you cannot seem to understand your own words much less mine.

It's clear you're just pulling this stuff out of thin air, which is not surprising. But the fact of the matter is there were good people out there that did own slaves despite the idea of owning another human is abhorred. Do not twist this to mean all were good and slavery was right.

And I only mention this in the idea of preserving a more accurate notion of history rather than give a flip about what some kiddie on a website with half a brain is concerned with.

Now, if you'll excuse me, enjoy your loser game. And if you attempt bait me with the slavery thing again because I won't bite on other topics I won't bite on this one again. I think enough has been said to get my point across on the topic to those with the willingness to listen.

Enjoy winning your loser game. I'm out.
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#23 Sep 16 2008 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
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Jereth wrote:

But the fact of the matter is there were good people out there that did own slaves


wow

Jereth wrote:
Enjoy winning your loser game. I'm out.


Out again? You said that in the other post and then *poof* you return, kinda like a Cher concert.
#24 Sep 16 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Default
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Lionze wrote:

the conflict come that we cant even start 20 minutes earlier cuz our USA members ar still @work/school or getting to their houses, we cant do 20 minutes later than what we do already, cuz we are sleeping in EU 2-4 hours before going to work/school or both wich is my case.


Regardless of your conflicts, it isn't an acceptable excuse to disrespect the other members of the Ragnarok community. If you're going to lead a linkshell successfully, then you need to put in the effort to make it work without ******** over other dynamis linkshells.

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Actually all that matter can be fixed if we get to a real conversation, not with ppl acting like bummage


That was attempted on several occasions by leaders of other shells, and you refused to cooperate. So please don't pretend to be so communicative now, it's a little bit late for that. And btw, it took someone like me to put a spark under your *** and show that you need to do something about this conflict you've created.

Lionze wrote:

I made the "i hate the americans" post to make you understand your previous post promoting "hate starsmaker LS members" as you did before, like it or not it was a payback


That's a huge line of BS. No one believes you Lionze. You can't even make a sincere apology about your racist comments. You're pretending you made those comments in retaliation, but that isn't the case. No one buys that load of crap. First you told your fellow linkshell mates that you did it out of anger and you didn't mean it...then your story switched to it being a payback. You're a liar on all sides of this debate.

Lionze wrote:

i dont care if you trust me or not, i dont care what ppl thinks about me,


Then why are you posting here? Why try to make a difference now in the problems you have caused?

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i care about my members (every single one)


Really? Even the ones you hate because their American? You know, the ones who you claim are retarded?

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I made this tread to bring peace, and my members names cleaned


No, you made this thread to cover your ***. It was a lame attempt to do damage control from the other thread you made where you exclaimed your hatred for Americans.

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I really want to end this and make peace, but it seems ppl here still wants war.


Then use the calender. For the sake of other linkshell members, for the sake of your own linkshell members, use the calender.

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you should apreciate im talking, i dont spend my time of ppl i dont know, i only care of my ppl,


You aren't that special, cupcake. You should appreciate that anyone at all is willing to even respond to your racist self-righteousness.

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im trying to make an appointment were we can all be agreed and find a real solution, but ppl here only brings insults and stupidity, have someone here tried to bring any solution, plan, good talking or promote peace? my ls members only.


No, not hardly. Several of your members have been posting here in support of your racist comments and refusing to cooperate. And members of other linkshells have been trying to communicate in a civil manner.
#25 Sep 16 2008 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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bummage, can you just shut up? this thread is for adults and your negativity doesnt help
#26 Sep 16 2008 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah cause your first post proved your an adult huh?
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