Attempted MPK at AspidocheloneFollow

Alright, Vrtra, lets bright out this fact mmmkay? Noone here is being "greedy" at all. At least not SF, our intentions are not to go and steal/mpk/cfh just for items. Which would fall under greed.

In response to Gentaro:
I act like nothing happened? Hello, Hi. Have you been staying with this thread? Why have I been posting? Yes something is wrong; otherwise I wouldn't have to be here. The reason the "acted on his own will" thing is here, is because you are attacking another linkshell for the action of one. Yes, we are taking care of it, is that your business how we take care of it? No.

Say what you want, but as far as I know... we're currently mid-way through a 10 hour maintenace. You know, one of the ones where you cannot get into the game? Where you cannot do anything to the linkshell or its members? Yeah, I remember that.

In response to Repsh:
Assuming from your mature post, you must be a sackholder. Thank you for posting talking to angst-filled people who only want to attack and not discuss is in no way productive.

I must say there is a difference between lagging and running at the same speed, compared to lagging and gaining distance. I also agree that the paranoia level is too high. Now if anyone red-dot's in Aery its "omfg he removed darters."

Good, I'm glad to hear that you'll continue to camp. I welcome the competition.

In response to TommiYER:
I'm sorry, pal, Memnoch was kicked because he was greedy and wanted nothing but items. It's nice that you show affection towards him, however he was never a sackholder or any person of commanding importance... so it would be appreciated that if you get asked to submit an application by a member that you do not assume that you're accepted.

In response to OwenTheGreat & Squallido:
Again, its posts like these that go nowhere. They are destructive and meaningless. Good job playing for the home team. If you're going to team up and post, please get me someone who wants to fix things instead of further ruin them.

Owen: Nice attempt, but poorly executed. Judging that one does not hack from the amount of deaths the entire group took is poor, or as you would say "pathetic." You and Squallido make yourselves look like children when you attack someone who is here to calm things, not further bring chaos into the matter.

I in no way directly accused you of that. Anything stated about speed hacks were in reference to the initial question by Ikz: "So the reason for this post is to ask all of the Anzana haters, why?" Please, Reading is FUNdamental!

Squallido: I don't want to repeat myself, but I will do it anyways. Saying he is acting on his own free will or that he removed his pearl is not an attempt to drop responsibility. It is pointing out the fact that SF did not intend for this, and you are assuming that we did. As stated above, I am taking care of it.

i was there at kb. i literally witnessed a nin kiting kb around for an hour straight while running with +25% speed. no bards in sight giving him mazurka. 1 hour = one full day in vanadiel. nin af gives +speed for night only. yeah.......

i watched as blm's raised up and started running ***faster*** than kb without a single bard in sight. yeah....... all your blms equipped with herald's gaiters now?

call me a neutral 3rd party observer, since i'm not in any of the linkshells mentioned here.

mpk attempt at aspi is dumb, i agree. but to bash established ls' with horrible grammar and spelling in an attempt to "sound cool" is getting old already.



the people saying you didn't hack are also in 'questionable' linkshells or ones who just don't have that much clout/credability themselves. sorry if this hurts but it's also the truth: the people who *are* accusing you have the most credability. 4 na linkshells + 3 jp linkshells who have proven that they have skill + tact. that's right, tact, something which many of your members lack completely. watching them shout in jeuno/behemoth'sdomain or post retarded posts on this forum (or anon comments on people's lj's, riddled with profanity and horrible english) has made *many* people come to that same conclusion. i'm not saying *all* of your members, but a great deal of them. and sorry, you don't do much to check any of that. so before you accuse another ls of not handling it's problems, i would concentrate on your own linkshell.

p.s. handing out a dalmatica to a blm is about as stupid as giving out a koenig cuirass to a war when there are pld that can use it. <---- see that? none of my business, yet you seem to think it's fine to talk about other people's ls's business. hey, just an observation.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 16:40:01 2005 by Ragnarorz

Well sir, just be sure no one of ur members, with the ls unequiped or equiped mpk anyone again, and i´ll be happy

i came across wrong. i don't care about grammar, it's the fact that many of them feel the need to talk in a 'cool' manner, riddled with profanity, etc. look at foxhound/zhaoyun's post on this very forum. not exactly a-class, sorry. and it's not limited to him either.



my mistake, since i saw the pathetic show of trinova's so soon after your own, and yes, it was pathetic. it's not because you were a new linkshell. even the 'established' linkshells had a learning phase and noone called them this pathetic or honestly felt that it was this retarded. sure, comments are always made along of the lines of 'omfg i can't believe xxxx linkshell won', etc. but not along the lines of what people felt they saw in both anzana and trinova. solstice won a kb, yes there was drama, etc. but not to the extent that you guys got because they actually killed kb respectfully and it was their first too, so don't give me that crap.

as for the nin vs. pld thing, again, my apologies for confusing the two disaster events, they just played out so similar, so instead of saying "i watched kb kited by a nin for an hour with +25% speed", i'll replace that with "i watched kb kited around for an hour by a pld who was running much much faster than kb and there were no bards in sight and he didn't have crimson legs".

Ikz got Crimson legs and ikz had a BRD in party, named Firedragoon.

First of all considering the "hacking" LS':

From what I hear there are some very questionable things that had occured. I do believe the members when they state the LS in no way supports cheating and that the general population most likely does not. However I also believe that possible 1 or 2 people did cheat, maybe 3 or 4 at most. But the majority? Upon reflection, no, I doubt the majority had.
At the same time remember that a lot of LS' had done their share of cheating as well. Removing of darters, some bots to win pulls pre-patch, etc. A lot of them did it. Does that mean the LS condones it? No. In the majority of cases the sacks, members, etc. had actually talked to these members to try and have them tone it down or stop. They never in any way supported such actions from what I had heard. But that does not mean some individuals haven't cheated just because the LS itself does not support it.
We'll find gilbuyers, speedhackers, botters, etc. in many LS'. I've heard people from other hnm ls' that are far more established than those 2 saying that they use the speedhack on occasion. Not naming names, mind you. But I know the program isn't only within those 2 LS'.
Though the main problem is: 1 or 2 may have used it /while/ fighting KB. I believe it is a likely possibility but I'll also admit: its impossible to prove it and impossible to prove who.
But remember: it in no way means the ls itself nor even the majority in it allows for such actions.

Now onto the MPK:

No matter the reason, I'm sorry but I cannot support this. As Bedrock had stated (an excellent leader, all things considered) two wrongs do not make a right. If one established LS' starts to mpk then it unleashes a whole fury of such combats. And not just toward the LS that you want targeted. Eventually such actions will only hurt yourself and those that you care about in this game.
Do you really want to create chaos in FFXI? MPKing only helps chaos grow further.

Its the mpking on gilsellers that taught them to mpk us back, you know? What are we teaching new HNM/Sky people? "Hey I want that HNM, so I'll mpk them cause those asses won!" Eventually sooner or later it'll fall to that point if we allow this chaos to continue.

You suspect cheating? Bring it to a sack of that LS and/or call a GM. Please do not help create more chaos in endgame. People get enough drama there as is.

I guess I'll start off with Gentaro.

"I wish could agree..."

Again, that's him. We're not supporting it. We're not supporting him, you need to relax with the beliefs and put it on the backburner. Say we were to remove him and he continued to MPK you. Then who's to blame?

Ragnarorz: The funny thing is people accuse Paranoos of hacking often. Yet they fail to check him and see he actually does have herald's gaiters.

Repsh: I'm glad you're actually helpful in this, thank you. I'll ask around and have some names if they come up. Other than that I'll keep your name and Ikz in mind if I ever need to coordinate anything.

About Foxhound/Zhaoyun, I'll agree. He was with us for a week before he was removed, now I'm not about to say why and bash him.... but I can be truthful when I say I know what you mean.

Agreeing with Chibi, there is nothing that justifies what happened. Cely's logic(or lack of) that MPK'ing a linkshell for a situation that happened at least three weeks prior. I don't believe that what he did was right given the circumstances. I've been talking with the other sacks and him, if it comes down to removing him then so be it.

Edit for Meowzers:
Sigh, again. No one person from the linkshells mentioned is getting flustered and making false claims about Anzana's because
they simply "won the pull." It just doesn't happen like that. You also continue to single these three linkshells out, while there are other smaller linkshells on our server that made their own decisions that also reflect ours.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 18:33:38 2005 by HeavenScent

is Cely Kicked from SF yet? and You claim you dont know what his doing, cuz he took the pearl off, yet you are defending him and accusing other HNMLS cheating? I dont know if Anzana speed hack on KB or not, you dont have the proves, but its clearly Cely tried to MPK them, shouldnt you do something about it anyway?

I'd say that Bedrock and the sacks know about the internal situation far better than any of us do. Whether it is necessary to kick Cely or not is only known by them. Notice that he is not discluding the option but is at least considering all available options.

The very /fact/ that Bedrock is looking into the matter instead of twiddling his thumbs - in my view - speaks a lot for him. Its much easier to do nothing than discuss doing something. Heck, same on the flip side: its much easier to kick than considering what is best to do.

We don't know all that Cely has done for the LS in the past or what Cely will do. Maybe Cely has done so much for the LS in the past that he deserves another chance. But then maybe Cely has received a number of warnings already so sacks would have to consider the final option.

It is impossible for us to know what is best. Only Bedrock, the sacks, and other SF players know. Leave it to them to decide what to do.

I would agree with you, but it seems he pretend to do it again (just read from his LJ)

I don't care if they dont kick him, it's just a suggestion, having mpkers doesnt help a HNMLS that want be serious

Last post for me tonight (1am in the UK), but i'm confused Kurai, are you speaking of Anzana or TriNova?, this thread was started about Anzana, and we have not had any members banned for anything, so i can only assume you are talking about a different linkshell.

We have been accused of speed hacks during our KB fight, of which i have asked Bedrock for names, and he has replied that he will try and provide them to us, and we can go from there.

Yes we zerged it, yes it was lame, but as you said yourself, we are learning the best we can, and the fastest way to learn, is through your own mistakes.

But yeah, we didn't have any issues with GM's following our KB fight.

In regards to the MPK attempt, we have not placed the blame upon a whole ls, if you read my posts fully at some point you will see we did single out the certain member, and during the course of this thread, have come to a happy medium with Bedrock and are leaving it with him, as it should be.

The point of the post by Ikz was not to attack anyone, but to get some answers on why we get so much hassle and hate from certain ls's to the point of an mpk attempt, and as far as i'm concerned, we have got many decent answers in return, courtesy of Bedrock, and as a ls, we know that the strongest words we can give will be through future actions.

We are new, we admit our mistakes, and we do not condone hackers in our ls, and hopefully when we receive the names of the accused members, we can rectify the situation from that point onwards.

I'm honestly not sure lol. Don't take this the wrong way and I know it could easily be offensive....but I don't mean it that way at all. Both lses seemed to pop up around the same time so I get you guys confused a lot lol. The only incident I remember that zenmetsu got in and bashed about was that one I was just talking about. So I just figured it was one and the same lol.