Attempted MPK at AspidocheloneFollow

Anzana HNMls

Ok, games over, i normally would not bring this to a public forum, but well.. things are going a little too far now.

My ls, a while ago claimed and killed KB, now, we took a long time to kill it, we was unprepared, and any single one of us will admit to that sentiment, we did gain the win, but not in the manner we had hoped..

Regardless, following that win we had received a torrent of abuse from ls's Zenmetsu, TheCalm and Spikeflail, as it was in their opinion that we had speed hacked the win, the fight i believe was 3 hours long, so KB had gone hyper during that time, and the tactics used were admittedly the wrong ones, i believe it is known as 'zerg' tactics, which is frowned upon.... so sorry for that guys, we messed up.

Now the next KB claim went to TriNova, who after having the same problems we did, also got accused of the same thing http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=81792.

We figured it would end there, but nope, from that point on we was getting abuse from the same people via their personal LJ's, taking several screenshots of deaths we had in Dragons Aery from afk members during fafnir spawn.. not really a problem there, surely?.

Apparently, we are now branded a botting ls, and generally looked down upon, that's fine, people have their own opinions, we learnt from mistakes, we listened to what they said (the constructive parts) and we adapted.

If we lost a claim we would all be backed up to remove lag, not once have we been abusive, all we have done through this time is make a mistake on our first KB, that's all!.

Tonight we started in Dragons Aery, Spikeflail claimed, so we moved on to Valley of sorrows for the due to pop Adamantoise/Aspi.

Aspi popped, we claimed, we cleaned our agro, and we set down to fight. About 15 minutes into the fight, Cely of Spikeflail decided to train what seemed like an entire zone on us, 6+ Raptors, manticores and possibly a bird also.

Our cleanup party took care of some, and i think some other ls's that was there took some also (thanks for that, really appreciated guys). From the comments in /say and /shout, mnay people were disgusted at the move, not just us... Gilsellers you expect it from, highly regarded HNMls's you do not http://www.livejournal.com/users/celeras/77944.html .

So the reason for this post is to ask all of the Anzana haters, why?

We didn't bot/hack anything, and there is no evidence that shows otherwise, we have never been abusive to you, and we have always respected your space when you claim, yes we used the wrong tactics on KB and should have wiped.. but we were/are new. We are learning all the time, and getting better, yet you still have to try bring our name down... and i would like to know your motives please?.

The other day after maintenance we logged on to Fafnir, we quickly realised we only had 7 members online at that point, so we died to allow another full ls to take the claim rather than hold it and risk hyper mode in a non kiting area... so what are we still doing wrong in your eyes, when we play by the unwritten rules?.

Sorry for the long post, but you are dragging our name through the mud, for no valid reason at all, so please tell me, when is it going to end, because enough is enough by now.


Ikz

Anzana ls co-leader

<3 Eek


Eekiki would be correct. It's just the fact that, you're new and unpredictable. They're trying to ruin you guys before you get a chance to gain good standing in the eyes of Ragnarok.

Now, I've never heard of you but...Meh. GL to you guys in the future.

Better:

Go play in traffic.

I thinks its going to be toward any new HNMLS that starts up new.
If you not in Zen,TC, or SF and your LS claims it other then them it's makes them look bad that a lower class HNMLS out did them. Just like Trinova did when they claimed KB; they got bashed that they were accused of boted because they out claimed a well known and respected HNMLS.

Don't feel bad every HNMLS will get that. One can say they might be intemidated at the fact there are others that can claim faster then ppl in those LS. Zen and TC are two of the most well known North American HNMLS and to find out someone out claimed them is like.... like in insult. Yet who's to say TC and Zen don't have boters or use some sort of 3rd party software that is undectected. Someone could have a hack and they not even know that person has. Yet the end result is that they are claimning most of the HNM.

Regardless of how your tatics are to fight there is no wrong way to fight, just a matter of you killing it. This won't be the end of Zen,TC,or SF accusing a new upcoming HNMLS of hacking/boting/using 3rd party software. They just don't want competition and for others to become as big as they are. Yet when Zen,TC or SF claim know one accuses them cause they are well known and respected, but who's to say they don't hack as well to claim. We just don't pay much attention to what they do cause we know how big they are and very well respected.

So just to let you know...don't get all mad and upset that ur ls got bashed it won't be the last or won't be to any other HNMLS getting bashed that outclaim well known HNMLS.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 07:48:52 2005 by Lightsmokes

TC and Zen's veiws of your linkshell have nothing to do with you getting MPKd today, sorry. Please blame the linkshells that were actually there.

Marando do you have proof of this or are you just a sore loser.

i doubt trinova does.





and i know azure dont bots

First off, sorry for the delayed response. I've been watching this thread but I had to get a system admin to restore my account.

Now for the drama.

Ikz, as I already explained to you in tell: I was not there, thus I did not take immediate action on it. As I understand Mr. Celeras is flustered over your display at King Behemoth. He removed his pearl, did not tell anyone what he was doing, and acted on his own free will. Individuals suck.

It's obvious that people dislike your linkshell, I won't deny that. (1, 2, 3, 4) I just don't see anyone who was at KB on your side. Even people who are not from the named linkshells (SF/TC/Z) are against you. Now don't get me wrong, this is not saying that I justify what happened today. I am all against it because I do not want our server to turn to ****. 70 people saw Celeras drag the entire zone on top of you, just like 120 people saw your Black Mages outrun KB without gravity.

"Prove it!" Well, think of it like this... a man murders another man in daylight in the middle of a baseball stadium, while 30,000 people are watching. It was not recorded and no murder weapon was found. However there were witnesses, and lots of them. This both applies to your linkshells cheating at King Behemoth and my members attempted MPK at Aspido.

Now, I do not see my members other than Celeras openly bashing your linkshell for KB. We were not spectating the ordeal (Only Celeras/Kiraa). But the 120 other people from assorted linkshells saw everything. I don't know how, all I can assume is your show at KB got you on the ******** of 4 NA linkshells and 3 JP linkshells. So if you want to target someone for dragging your name through the mud, target them.

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In response to Eekiki,
I suppose this also responds to the other posters in the thread but the "they were bashed because they out pulled major linkshells" is utter ********* From what goes around, they claimed KB... whacked on it for an hour, when it went into hyper mode they kited him with speed hacks and used BIO2 to kill it. This took approximately 3 hours. No one has their panties in a bunch about who killed it, because we all know the chance will be back in 3 days. I’ll agree that while people don’t welcome new linkshells into the HNM scene, they do not go into angst-mode and try to wipe the new HNM linkshells from the scene. So get that out of your head.


I'm sorry to burst your elitist bubble. But yes, unwritten rules DO exist. These include "do not steal" "do not cheat" "do not mpk" they also include such as "random after a LS wipes to a NM" of course they get more advanced than that... but they exist for a reason. Those rules, on their own, keep the server from turning to ****. Think of Midgar where linkshells MPK each other at Vrtra for sport. I don't know about you, but I would rather fight the NM and not the people fighting the NM. Without these common sense guidelines, there would be more chaos and drama than there is now. Sometimes people break the rules, then others think it's their position to break them back to "teach a lesson"... well its not.

Two wrongs don't make a right, they only make this.

To be honest...i wouldn't want ppl like Cely in my ls...
So actually everyone in SF can take off his pearl,go crazy and afterwards everything is ok?Doesn't seem right to me...
btw. why don't you get gilseller into SF.they sell gil on their own free will so why not?

The way I see it, unless you can PROVE they were cheating, then no one has any right to make accusations or to MPK someone over an assumption.

Now I don't know if they do hack or not, but I know from my short experience in HNM that when we got outclaimed, many people (including me) would look for any excuse possible to call a GM or try and claim-steal for "cheating". After all, then that's just one more chance you have to claim, no?

In all honesty, they are a new HNM LS, you guys are a wee bit older, and have claimed King Behemoth, Fafnir/Nidhogg, and Aspidochelone many times in the past, and have gotten lots of various Abjurations to the members that need it. But new HNM LS have yet to get these items, and I think they deserve it more than you, because they don't have any of it yet and YOU do. It should be all about fair share, but unfortunately that does not seem to exist on Ragnarok. Either way I still <3 this server.

Now stop looking for an excuse to hate them and GM call them and just accept that you can't win them all and that the number and power of HNM LSs on the server continue to grow every day. If you do not, you will be doomed to do what Cely does, and become a huge ****, because that is the only proper title you deserve for MPKing ANYONE for ANY reason.


Um okay... but until the entire alliance wipes, then they still have the right to kill it. Hyper mode or not. You see, Hyper mode is NOT Invincible mode because it can still be killed, it's just very very hard. Quite honestly I applaud them for pulling it off. And of course, until I see proof they hacked, I'm not about to believe they did.

And once again that quote proves what I said earlier, people will look for any possible excuse they can in attempt to get a second chance at claim. Let's not be greedy mmmkay?

Edited, Thu Oct 13 15:22:49 2005 by Vrtra

1. The ppl there didn't speedhack (and IF they did they would lose their pearl,unlike you we don't want ppl who don't play fair...)
2. there is absolutely no reason to leave KB because hes in crazy mode?I don't think SE made this update so newer HNMLSs aren't able to kill it...



3. I don't blame you for his childish acting,I blame you because you just act like nothing happened.I didn't see any sorry,just "he acted on his own will" ~.~

yes i was asked to join under TS, by memnoch i dont know if hes still in your LS or what not. He's a real nice person and I like him alot. But i stand by what I said i think you are wrong.

peace,

PS that aspi MPK was uncool do you promote this by keeping him in the LS or has he been removed ?