Do you guys help this asshat?Follow

Please forgive me for posting on your forums. This post was in the main FFXI forum, and i was just wondering if the people on your server do and or will help this person.

42PLD/21WAR
RAGNAROK
Demonslayers

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=11279017423087358&num=31

Youll probably need to take off the sub default filter to see most of the posts from him/her. This post was so apauling, i was curious what the server he/she is on thinks about it.

/bow

P.S. I rarely call people names, but just couldnt think of anythign else to describe this person.

I feel sorry for you, if you feel FFXI is about the money.

And whats the difference if he asks for 20K or a mil? Its the principle. So just to clarify, you think its ok to charge a party to let you exp with them?




I came here to find out if the people of this server find it acceptable to do this, and if the people of this server will help this person. In a few lvls he will need LB1, and the AF's, and LB 2, and so on. Are you (the people of this server) going to help him get these things for free?


Every server has different people, and ethical standards. Im curious to know if this flies on your server, as it sure wouldnt fly on mine.

Greed corrupts absolutly. In a way dont you think that is ruining the game?

I agree the people were not forced to pay him to join, and the party decided they were ok with it, and he then joined. This is not his fault, more so the party who payed him. What im getting at, is if people are allowed to get away with charging to exp, whats next? Imagine the can of worms that could be opened up due to this. NIN wanting their tools to be paid for by the party, WHM's wanting gil per heal/raise, BLM's for each nuke. This might be exagerated, but the point is still valid.

But the real question was (and is).

Will *you* help this person for free?

This type of person is someone i would not only never party with, but i would never help. And if i was to help, i would want like a mil + gil, just because of the principle.

Are there a lot of mercenaries on your server that require payment for help?

There aren't that many mercs shouting in LJ. It isn't very frequent, achuwie. Sometimes, there's one person that shouts they're offering their help after someone else shouts looking for help for G1, AF, etc.

Anyways, one person does not represent an entire server. As to what he did, he's more than free to do it. If the party did not want to pay him for exping, then they simply would not invite him. I would not pay to exp with anyone (my own use of food does not count), be they tank, healer, refresher, or healer. I would try an alternate set-up than hiring an exp merc.

However, I do not disagree with what he did. Like he said, it's all about supply and demand. If people were willing to pay for him to tank their party, he's welcome to receive that gil. It's not completely unscrupulous for him to have done what he did, considering that he was not really inclined to level at that moment, but others were willing to pay him (what he wanted) for what he could provide. Why do we pay for teleports? Sometimes, we pay for D2s, why? It is simply a service that another job can provide us that we want at that moment in time. The party wanted him to tank so badly that they were willing to pay him? Good for him and them, they both get what they want. If he did a poor job of tanking, though, he should at the very least reimburse those that paid.

Back to the original point of the topic. I do not mind helping others in this game if I'm free and willing at that point in time. It's a great way to further explore the world of Vana'Diel and to meet others. However, at the first sign that the person that I'm helping is apathetic to the cause and wants me to do all the work without learning anything for themselves, I'll leave. This may be a community, but it is also my game. Altruism can onry go so far. As to this particular guy, I would charge him for his help, though I normally dun do suchu a thing. Then again, we MNKs hardly ever get requests for help (unless it's 5-1).

I saw that post on the main page and nearly died when I saw he was from my server.

Personally I hate mercs in any way, shape or form but this is just ridiculous - no I would not pay him to join my party even if I was desperate.

And in all honesty, yes, if he shouts for help with something one day then no one should help him for free, whilst I believe helping people freely is how the game should be this guy has set his own rules and should be forced to live by them.

I guess my questions to the Ragnarok server would be:

a) Do you know the guy?
b) If he needed help (on anything), would you charge him, knowing that he has charged other parties to be their tank because he was the only tank "available"?

You didn't really answer my question. I didn't ask whether what his party members did was smart or not. What I did ask, was whether a) you knew or still know him and b) if you had the opportunity to charge him for any help he needed, would you (knowing that he had charged others to be their exp tank)?



Huh? You don't want discussions to be carried out in the main forum? This isn't the main forum.

[quote=Altdeer
People from Rag don't collect the name of every moron from Siren and Shiva and post about them on your server boards, do they?[/quote]

If they did what he did, I'd certainly want them too. I'd want our server to be made aware of a person like that. See there is a difference between something happening on your server and then airing out your dirty laundry server in the main forum. That is NOT what happened here. What happened here was your own player came and proudly bragged that he was once a mercernary Paladin. Acepod simply brought your OWN server matter back to your OWN server forum. It's quite interesting that the "proud Merc PLD" didn't post this in the Ragnarok server first. No one likes it when a server specific problem is brought from a server forum post to the main forum. However, that isn't the case. Here we have a game-wide problem AND a server problem being brought back to your server's forum from the main forum. If anything, you guys should WANT to be made aware that such a person who would take advantage of any opportunity to profiteer situationally off of others on your server.

Trash has a way of outing itself. His reputation on this server will be made by his actions in game, as they should be. You are coming onto this server forum and attempting to ruin the reputation of someone you would never party with or help anyways- because you're not on our server. If you have an opinion that differs from his, please keep it in his thread on the main page, which everyone from the Rag forum still has the capability of reading if they so desire.

I don't see the problem with it. If I'm some 7 foot dude, sittin on a bench playin checkers, and a group of guys needs a Center to play a game of basketball, and I don't wanna play, I'll say no thanks. But then they say, hey We'll give you 20 bucks, and I say sure.. and I go out there and play basketball..even though I don't want to, and make myself some money.
er.. well, something like that.

Edited, Thu Sep 29 20:25:06 2005 by Drusycc

I was going to let this topic die, because those who replied seemed upset that i brought up this discussion (which i dont understand, but meh). However since its still relativly alive, and i am still interested in the topic, i have a few things to say.



I had no intention on takeing over your forums. I appologized ahead of time for bringing it to your forums, but unfortunatly your forums were the only place i could concievably get an answer. Yes some of you might also visit the main forum, but i wanted an opinion from YOUR server, and not all servers.

I keep hearing people say "Well he didnt want to party" as an excuse.

Example:




Well, he didnt want to party so bad, that he searched his lvl range. Noticed no tanks seeking. Then proceeded to make a search comment, offering to tank for gil. Then put up his seek, and then got a party, and went and partied. To me his lame excuse of "I didnt feel like partying" (which is valid, but i dont beleive it in this circumstance), was a complete and utter lie. It was more like "Omg theres no tank seeking, i bet i could get people to pay me for tanking". His intentions (this is my opinion, but his original excuse sounds like BS to me), were more along the lines of capitalizing on a circumstance. But wheather or not he did or didnt want to party IS the moot point. BEcause after all he did party didnt he? If he was really that hell bent on not partying, do you think he would have settled for 20K i mean come on, 20K is chump change, and wont even pay for his food for a lvl or 2. Like i said, from the sounds of it, he was useing that as an excuse, and not the real reason he took advantage of someone.

Then people keep saying, that this is somehow different then say a NIN charging for his tools. How so? Please someone explain that to me. And then you say people wont stand for a NIN charging for his tools. Well if a NIN was to put in their search comment, that he would only party if someone paid for his tools, do you not think some idiots would probably invite him (just like they did the PLD in question). And then imagine for a second, that EVERY NIN started doing that. It might sound a bit far fetched, but it could happen. And this PLD charging to tank, is opening the door for that type of behavior.

Imagine now, that all NIN/PLD/WAR's catch on to this, and start charging for tanking services. What would you do? Would you never party again, because you wouldnt want to pay for them?? I know this is far fetched, but the point i think many people are missiong, is the behaviour of this person, can and just might start a trend. And you guys defending him (which you have every right to do), only supports it, and allows it to go on.

If the same thing happened on my server, that person would be black called. I would want someone to bring it to our attention as well.

Here is A PM i received from someone on your server.






I responded wiht a few kind words, and got this.




Im not trying to put anyone or any server down. My server, has a lot of people who have been playing for a long time, who care about the people on it, and should someone do something terrible, we make a stand against them. I was wondering if your server was this way or not, and so the main reason i started this post. Not to mention i wanted to know if people accept this behavior (which it seems they do).

I beleive i have found the answers to my questions, and i will leave it be. But keep in mind, that if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. Allow things like this to go on, and it will surely bite you in the *** later.

I would also like to point out the person who spent all night rateing every post i ever made down, can no longer rate ANYONE, and all that time you spent rateing down 2500 posts of mine was reversed by the admins. I hope you feel good about yourself now.