Dynamis and your LSFollow

*double post*

Edited, Thu Oct 27 00:14:05 2005 by Rohon

Missed the point again. Kuponet said that to us because we only had 17 people in Dynmis at the time. JUST the same way Fuzzbox was to Poekie's LS for having 15.


Not if you have people who are willing to pay to get the experience when starting off a dynamis linkshell. All of a sudden you have to have a full Dynmis LS (30+ people) in order for you to even qualify to enter? If that was the cas SE would have made it that. EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE AT DYNAMIS WEATHER BIG OR SMALL! When big LSs complain about small ones "wasting their time" when the small ones are just starting out and want to get their member more used to Dynamis via experience, well that is just being selfish and childish from the big LSs. I'll say it again, Everyone has a chance at dynamis weather big or small because SE did not put any minimum number of people limit. If a party of 6 can go into dynamis and kill things although it may be slow, and they are willing to pay the 1 million gil to take that chance and get more experience in dynamis or farm a bit of currency, what right does a big LS have to deny them that when the small one got there first and has just the same rights to it? NONE!

If a new smaller LS happens to get there before us and wants to have a go at it? Let them. According to you they won't last the hour so give them the chance. Hell our first run we got all the way to the first BST Boss to pop mega boss and we had him down to 1/2 life before he charmed us all. Most people in there had no clue he would do that because they did not have the experience. Now when we do Sandy we have never had a problem with him again because we know what to do from experience. You cannot knock down the advancement of people new to Dynamis and as I said before, and a "bigger more established" LS doing so just truely shows what kind of LS they really are, selfish.


It's only becoming more precious to the people who are not willing to share it.

If you truely want to go on about not seeing Airamis' views and not seeing my views, I'll send you my AIM screen name and we can discuss it there. If you want to continue here too I would be more than happy to.

Edited, Thu Oct 27 00:51:25 2005 by Rohon

It saddens me as I continue reading. Sometimes I wonder if people do read through all the posts people make or do they just assert their own posts just for the sake of making their opinions heard? It takes two ways for communication to exist: you/i listen to me/you, interpret those information and react/reply accordingly. If one side chooses to ignore the other person (by not reading through his/her posts carefully and entirely), it is likened to shouting at a wall and hearing echoes and distorted noises.

Admittedly, alot of posts here are repetitions. Some posts that are repeated are reiterations or reaffirmations of what one feels too but has already been mentioned by another person - call it supporting the same view if you want (e.g. like me repeating some stuffs Airamis has said about supporting such a system, ego needing to be dropped etc). However, even more posts here that are repeated reflected the self-defence image - "my opinion is right, why should I listen to yours?" mentality.

I decline to take a stand on who is right on insisting which calender is to be used. All I know and feel is: any attempts/thoughts to promote communication such as the calender system is the way to go.

If someone like Airamis is proactive at promoting his website for others to use, that is fine for me too. He is trying, like Bedrock is. Nothing to penalise him on that. Neither am I saying that TShot calender system sucks and should or should not be used. No. Both are attempts to bridge communications and we all appreciate that.

While some users here are suggesting that both calenders synth with each other by reflecting the changes/schedule made on each site dynamically, thus allowing others to post on either site and yet be able to schedule their dynamis dates for all to see, technical issues do exist. What if people start their own calenders and there are many to synchronize with?

Having said the above, I am not insinuating that Airamis is wrong for starting another calender website (that in my opinion has an easier website address to remember but this opinion is of mine and bears no weight to this discussion) nor am I insisting that TShot's calender should be the standard and the only place for dynamis schedules to be placed.

I feel that this is futilefutile.


If you had read through two of my earlier posts which I spent some time constructing carefully, you would have noticed that this attempt to schedule dynamis is flawed.

a) It is very very difficult to get everyone to schedule their runs at the same website (think of the various japanese ls out there doing dynamis runs) and;

b) It is even harder to enforce that everyone abide by common courtesy and etiquettes that this Ragnarok community has painfully agreed upon.

True scenario of what happened that day:
A Japanese linkshell had gone into Dynamis Windurst which was initially planned by the linkshell that intended to do it, resulting in them changing the venue to Dynamis Jeuno after 2 hours of wait.

All these talks of a universal dynamis calender scheduling is moot if it is not all-inclusive. Excluding the Japanese, or the EU community or any other linkshells that does dynamis will be the failure of this system. What happens in the above scenario as I had asked earlier in my post? Do you /tell their Japanese leader to use TShot's calender in the future as well as tell all other Japanese linkshells to abide by it too? Noble thought yes, but sadly naive and almost impossible to implement.

And it disgusts me that some people are still giving the following comments:

- they have fewer than xxx number to clear the area, therefore they waste everyone's time who could have completed that area

- they do not have the correct levels (below 70) blah blah blah

I have said it earlier and let me repeat if just for you - get off your high horse, be humble stop acting like a snobbish elite!

Those same players paid the same entrance fees (1 million gils) to get into dynamis. They did not have any special priviledges from SE or the GM. All they had were - they got organised earlier and had a strong determination to do their best to experience what lies in store of them, despite knowing they may not do so well lacking the general opinion's of "recommended" number of players, just for the sake of trying it out and having fun.

You have a problem with that?

Here is a valuable tip that I copied from my earlier posts:
if you really want to do that area, get organised fast and get there early.

"Queues exist in this world for a reason. Think of Dynamis in a similar way. If you are there earlier, you get to enjoy the service. If you are the late bird, just be patient for the bird in front of you to be done. Be grateful because in this case, you still catch the worm as Dynamis drops and boss completion probability is entirely unaffected by the previous runs before it"

Iamsix,

I do read all of your comments and those of others. I would merely ask that others do the same of mine (which I am fairly sure at least you do).

While I appreciate your neutrality in all this (and a neutral party is undoubtedly needed) and I would like to address a couple of points.

You say the URL for Dynamiscalendar.com is easier to remember. I registered it for exactly that purpose. For ease of access and use. To be as transparent as possible and easy to find. The core goal is total inclusion.

Which brings me to your point of including EU,JP, NA and all other LS to be a truely universal calendar. I am trying. DBS (our main ls) has members from all territories including Japan and we are talking (as well as language barriers permit) to as many JP LS leaders as possible and are actively seeking EU LS leaders as well.

We truely do desire to include everyone. Even if it means we have to go out and copy and paste the run times off 20 different calendars, that's ok by me and the rest of us working on this because it will still achieve the end result. One place, easy to acces, easy to remember where the most accurate, up to date, and all inclusive information is posted. That is, and has been since the outset, the goal. Nothing more, nothing less. In my mind, the willingness to do this while others are demanding that everyone come to them, sets us apart in our thinking. We are doing this on our own time and with our own money, and if you don't want to help out fine. But at the very least, stop trying to make it a war.




If anyone wants to make a universal resource as IamSix indicated it MUST include everyone. No matter if they participate willingly or not. because frankly, at least those involved can make one stop and go "Ok, I see a conflict, I should talk to this person". Sadly the attitude I have seen so far is one of "If you so not do it our way you do not exist and we don't care.". That's not inclusive. it is exclusive and I'm sorry but it is bullying in the simplest, though perhaps least pleasant, terms.

I'm going to quote something I feel strikes to the heart of everything here:


This is my core issue. As I have said before, and no one has bothered to respond here publicly because they fear being flamed. It's fine, I get enough responses privately that convince me I'm right on this. I truthfully and honestly would have used tshot's calendar happily and without comment if it were not for the fact that instead of trying to be helpful to a shell starting their runs, the 2-3 LS who started the calendar, BEFORE (and this is VERY important to keep in mind, timeline is everything) it became known or was used by more than those 2-3 LS (Solstice, Sparkle, Zen,Lemonade: none used it at the time, only Tshot, SF, and I believe Kuponet) any such 'central' calendar existed it was nothing but 2-3 LS friendly to each other who were working to keep from conflicting. A great plan. But once it became 2-3 LS bullying and threatend and giving orders to other LS, old, new, small or large, it became something else entirely. And before you go one about how its not. Anytime on LS orders another to drop their hourglass and exit an area and then flames them with so many profanities that even I was shocked ( I worked in enough bars to not be phased much by drunken rambles), then something inappropriate is at work here. Sadly, many LS have chosen to cave and give into this tactic. It's unfortunate because it simply reinforces the mentality that Iamsix listed above. A mentality that cannot be sustained or no calendar, Dynamiscalendar.com or Tshot's will ever be taken seriously by anyone.


Further, how is it so horrbile of me to repost the times listed at tshot so as to insure anyone posting at dynamiscalendar is aware of them and does not post a conflicting time? And why can't tshot do the same for the same reasons? I do this out of respect for those LS who have already scheduled times and those times should be respected. I am attempting to include everyone in this and yet, I'm told my runs are invalid and crap because I don't do as I was ordered. No I didnt. But there is not one person here who can now say they aren't aware. Because DBSD Runs are posted from now until November 29,2005 on TWO Calendars. And every person who has read this thread knows the URLs. So there can be no reasonable excuse for our runs conflicting in the future unless it was a deliberate action. It really is that simple.

I seem to have been criticized for doing exactly what I said I would do and what I feel seriously needs to be done. Taking a proactive approach at getting out the word. If it's 'shameless self promotion' than it is also shamelss self promotion anytime anyone shouts anything in game. You are promoting something. its that simple.

I am currently looking at advertising options at various sites to further this cause. Like I said, I am willing to spend time and money to make this work and to make as many people as aware as possible. Someone give me Bedrock's email address, i'll buy space there too. I am asking nothing of anyone else. Although if your LS has a site and is interested in helping out with a little free ad space, great. if not, send me a PM here with your rates for text only, 468x60 non animateds, and leaderboards. I'm paying CPM not CPC, so give me flat rates per thousand please.


As for the technical issues of co-ordinating all this. True they are large. But I can honestly say I make every realistic effort to update DynamisCalendar.com at least 2x a day through my own research. If anyone wants to help, let me know. Plus, if you read the calendars they are RSS enabled. You can link our data out to a reader or your own site, or even your forums (many forum packages post RSS feeds into new threads). This is about as much effort at inclusion as I can do from my end. With an RSS reader you don't even have to go to the web, just open your reader and check the dates/times.



Sadly this has already happened and it shows the unwillingness of some to work honestly and openly to resolve the situation.

I cant imagine anyone who really wants to see the problems cleared up rejecting any of this at all. if you can, then perhaps you aren't being as honest with yourself or us on your motives.

Iamsix I hate to do this to you, but since you seem to be the obvious choice, I'll say this. You think I want to run this thing for my LS own benefit? Ok, I nominate Iamsix to moderate any shcedule disputes.

I'll go one step further. Since everyone knows where my calendar is at DBS, and everyone knows where Dynamiscalendar.com is, if any of the dates we have scheduled between now and Nov 29 are times you were hoping to do a run ina specific city, let me know. We can work out a change or a shift or something.

Airamis, in writing this post I would like to clarify that I may or may not have misread the tone of your previous reply but I would just assume the worst to play safe. =)

I do read through all the posts here. I hope you are not offended by what I have written in my third posts because I wish to bring up some flaws in the current system that people may have oversighted, especially that of total inclusion.

The thing is, for this idea to succeed, EVERYBODY must be included or at least aware. Good thing is you are actively trying to promote it to the Japanese and EU community as well as others - a task I find it daunting and almost impossible (but in this world, nothing is impossible isnt it? ^^).

The Japanese community had this game since the day it started and it would be a real challenge to convince them to agree upon a universal place to schedule their dynamis runs. I must give you credit for attempting too though.

In discussing a point, I try to think of the other side of the argument too. What the "other side" of this argument is saying is that: quite a number of ls (be it 'forced' or willingly) has been using the TShot's calender. The point of synchronizing both calenders can be negotiated and an agreement come to BUT a possible problem that might occur in the future is - what if everyone starts their own calender website and just how much work would be required to synchronize all?

This is why I said there is alot of work to be done and why it is such a daunting task in my opinion. It does not mean it is impossible. It is merely how we can set about to implement it.

Much as I discuss so much of the flaws and highlighted some issues, I must confess that I am at a loss for a quick resolution and hence why I have to politely decline your offer to be a negotiator for schedule conflicts.

I am in no position to convince so many hard-headed people to coorperate. Coorperation exist mutually but before that, respect has to be given and even prior to that, respect must first be earned and given.

Once again, I do not wish to take any sides. Nobody is right or wrong here. Just a difference in opinion. However, I still believe if everyone can come together and see the bigger picture, anything IS possible.

Till then, I still prefer the first-come-first-basis. That is why queues exist in this world, to reward those who can get there earlier (and yes, even if it is by hook or by crook). The calender is still good though. If you see someone scheduling a time ahead of you, you can choose to go earlier or at a later time. Too much "ifs" to discuss here and I shall stop.

Iamsix,

I take both sides as well, I can weigh all the pros and cons of this. From both sides. I understand the resentment, the sense of entitlement, and even the slightly backwards view of 'respect' expressed here so far.

Daunting? Oh yeah. no question. But an effort, an honest, open, real effort must be made in my opinion. As you said it must be all inclusive or it's doomed to failure. One could argue that JP involvement is only required up to a point, due to the large time differences, but EU involvement is vital. JP involvemnt would be a major boon though so I'm trying.

Respect MUST go in both directions and it must be the basis of anything for it to work. If one person is viewing another's run time, no matter WHERE it is posted as invalid or unimportant, then the system will break down because the next logical step is to view ANY posted time on ANY calendar as invalid and unimportant and you are back to square 1. So as such, this is where we are. Sqaure 1.

Also, in talking about respect it must be understood how easily lost it is. Events like those that are detailed in the Livejournal posting, the general negativity and often outright hostility to others displayed in this thread, and other events I've experieced personally have cost many of those LS whom I formerly respected to lose much, if not all, of that respect due to their actions. it is important to note that in that I mean leaders who see the actions of their members and do not step forward and say "this is inappropriate from my members and I do not hold those views". Silence on the part of leadership in such things amounts to tacit approval.

I'm sorry to see people think I am being smug. I am very much trying to combat exactly that. Indeed its not smugness I am combatting but outright arrogance. Some of you have clearly misunderstood my intentions. I am simply trying to be as honest, open, and forthcoming as possible. I have tried to lay out clear opinions and thoughts as to why I believe in the concept but disapprove of the current implementation. If, as some claim, I was so opposed to the IDEA, why would I carry this out? Why would I be spending money on the problem? Why would I have spent nearly 3 days in this thread hoping to get people to see flaws and options. I certainly see flaws in my ideas, but I also see ways they can be minimized.

If I am so opposed to the IDEA, Why wouldn't I simply take Iamsix's advice and try to beat you to every run I see listed? It would be the easiesst thing to do. Simply stop listing my times ANYWHERE and slip in ahead of any group I felt like. In truth I could and not one person could stop me. Yet I do not. Set bias aside for a moment and ask yourself WHY?


EDIT: After posting this I updated Dynamiscalendar.com with the latest to see lemonade has again scheduled counter to a long published run. As I said above, it only takes on shell to create a problem. lemonade clearly wishes to be that shell.

And not one person here can reasonably state there was no notice. This is what I am talking about. The lie is put to much said by many here with this action.



Edited, Thu Oct 27 12:28:45 2005 by airamis

Ok, you may not have known about it till two days ago. I'll give you that. But the scedule for Lemonade going to Windy just hapened TODAY. So you guys knew about it for two days.

Thoughts and comments on this?

I see it as just another example of you guys saying, "You don't use this so we are ignoring you."

Our Windy run has been scheduled for a week. You guys just chose to ignore us and claim tht you did not know about it AGAIN. How could you not know about it today if you said yourself that you found out about the calendar two days ago? I am not arguing about you getting there earlier, I'll sit and wait till you guys are done, what I am arguing is that you want us so badly to comunicate everything we do to you, but yet you are unwilling to seek out what everyone else is doing too weather they use that calendar or not.

I will be completely frank now, because I don't want this argument to degenerate into a slagging match.

We didn't know about dynamiscalendar.com until someone brought it up during our sandy run. We don't honestly see why we should have to start using a new calendar when the existing one works fine. And you're saying why should you have to start using the tshot.org one when yours works fine.

Clearly it didn't work fine on Tuesday.

Something needs to be done, preferably having one combined calendar for ragnarok only - I don't care what other servers dynamis schedules are like, only what happens on ragnarok. TSHoT's calendar only applies to rag, 11 shells use it, you copy&paste the info to add to your own - I honestly don't see why you can't take 5 minutes out of your day to register to use tshot's, than make 11 other shells have to register to use dynamiscalendar.com.

I am out of the dynamis scene at the moment anyway - this doesn't really matter that much to me but I will not see my friends belittled like the way you seem to enjoy doing.

Every post you or Rohon has made seems to be a "point the finger at Lemon" post, but nowhere do you concede that you are unwilling to register to use tshot - fair enough, I would imagine half the shells that use tshot's calendar would be unwilling to have to register to use dynamiscalendar.com (unless it has anonymous posting enabled, in which case that would be a very bad move).

All people need to do is talk to each other about times - with 12 shells trying to do dynamis at various times, why does everyone seem to cluster around tues/wed and sat/sun?

If anyone throws the "but it's a game" line, I throw it right back in their face - there wouldn't be this fuss if it was "just a game". It is about time as well, and whether you use your available time productively or not. I'd like to see all the linkshells work together and everyone work productively.

If you really ARE serious about altering dynamiscalendar.com, you also have to take into account that people could theoretically post schedules months or years in advance - you should limit how far in advance a schedule entry can be made; and please not I am specifically not referring to this as a "booking" because if two shells wish to do the same dynamis area at the same time, it shouldn't have to be a case of who gets there first - it should be able to be resolved amicably.

/tell Naobi in-game once the servers come back up and I'll be glad to discuss further :)

To avoid any trouble next tuesday we have moved our run to Sandy instead at the same time as previously posted 8PM EST. We are willing to be flexible, I hope others are as well. To date I have seen nothing to indicate that however. Most I get "tough sh23" from them.


Agreed that anny calendar would need to limit the extent into the future anything can be planned, but at present any system in use does not provide for that. Neither Invision(Dynamiscalendar) not Vbulleting(Tshot) allow for that.

Anon posting is not enabled at Dynamiscalendar. I agree it would be a horrible idea.

I note a trend of a kind with people saying "I don't care what other servers do". Fair enough. So why post here? There are other server forums here. Same logic applies elsewhere. No one said you had to post in those forums or read them or do anything. Though I do personally think seeing what/how other shells on other servers think would be enlightening. Again, it goes back to being a open as possible with no exclusions.


I'll gladly contact you in game.

To ASh:

I HAVE tried to talk to the LS in question, a couple of times. Sadly the replies have been less than encouraging. They boil down to "comply or suffer". That's one sided communication at best. When a statement is made to me to "Follow the rules of this server or suffer" that immediately implies that someone had a sense of right to MAKE those rule and yes that implies they feel they run the show. No way of gettign around that.

You want to quote the livejouranl entry? Cool by me. Lets break it down.






Implication? If you DONT USE IT YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS. it's an indirect insult at best, a dismissal at worst.


This person is discussing ettiquette? And as you can see, it doesn't stop anyone from doing anything. So his point(if there was one) is moot. Etiqutte, like respect is a two way street, once you ARE aware of something, Etieuitte would demand you respect it. So, the moment people were aware of where OUR runs were posted (BOTH locations) etiquitee required an element of deferral here. Basic courtest would suggest a simple quick glance could avoid much.



Arrogant and condesending at best. So what? It's their money. Who is he or anyone to say how they spend it?


OK the scissors thing is funny. But really look at the tone. "You cancelled our Dynamis". Remember, the LS in question (and not us BTW, not this time at least) was UNAWARE of such a system of ANY kind. The secondary implication here is that it was deliberate. "Wated 30 people's time". Again, they were uninformed so any implication of deliberate action is just silly. And if thre calendar at Tshot is "just a heads up" kind of thing, then what's the issue at all? And if Dynamiscalendar will be no better. Then hey, The LS being bashed here didn't violate any rule, law, or anything else. I Mean, he said it himself. They dont own the server. Right?



Oh, the uniformed LS had malicious intent? But Spikeflail did the same thing but it wasnt? Please. Sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander. What applies to one, applies to all. He allows SF to have 'gotten there first' but bashes a LS for having done effectively the same thing to them.



Despite the entire tone of his post suggesting something entirely contrary to this statement. So while he may SAY he doesn't, his comments certainly suggest he THINKS he does, or the Tshot calendar does.




Really? The person who starts his entry with an statement about the type of oral activity each member of an innocent LS should perform on his genitals has a sense of decency and respect for his fellow players? Oh wait. For the people that 'follow the rules'. And I'm sorry, I've looked through the EULA and I just dont see that listed anywhere.



I don't need to touch on the decency thing again. The celar implication here is that failure to use a schedule that they did not know about makes it ok for others to abuse them and speak poorly of them. Further more, if as everyone says the calendar is just a guide and they don't own the server and they cant' force anyone to use it. What's the point? There is no crime commited. So what is he bathering on about?




Based on the things posted here, a lot of people seem to care. And I'm not sure I'd personally couch the actions as 'foresight' but everyone is entitled to an opinion. If no one really cares, why is there an argument of what is posted where? If no one cares and everyone wants to avoid conflicts. why not choose the most logical, easy to remember URL and promote it as hard and fully as possible? Unless there is something else at work here?



Again, claiming a group that had no idea was failing to respect people is silly. Ignorance of something does not show any kind of disrespect. And let's be honest. Can you read over this and with a totally objective point of view see this as anything other than disrespect on the part of the person writing? And can you honestly see any way that someone should respect this type of post? This is not "rough around the edges" is is a blatant flame of an innocent party. It set the lie to every claim of fairness and helpfullness made. If he was so concerned of being helpful he would have, as you all of you like to point out, TALKED IT OVER. Not flamed out on the guy.

I took issue with this beacuase it is actually not as bad as the flame out that occured when WE went in without knowing and I saw that this wasn't a one time incident with one person or a handful, it was in fact a mind set. Then I see stellar post that he recieved similar treatment for the same reasons, ignorance. So now it is not only clear to me that it is a mindset, but an encouraged one designed to cowtow anyone who doesn't follow rules set forward by someone else.

If you 'don't own the server' why such anger and hostility? Why such a sense of entitlement? Why demand people conform to YOU and even state publicly that if you DON'T conform that you will be ignored or at the very least subjected to this kind of behavior. Can you honestly, with any objectivity at all, see this as anything short of intimidation and bullying?

I'm sorry but it is the fact that those using tshot's calendar seem to SUPPORT this mentailty, these actions, and expect compliance that is at the ROOT of why I am so stedfastly opposed to using it. I for one won't cowtow to it. In fact, when made aware of our LS calendar nearly 3 months ago (predating Tshots calendar use by anyone other than 2 ls) it was even THEN rejected as unimportant. So you will never convince me that control and entitlement is not the goal of those using Tshots calendar. If it were NOT, then they would be proactive and cross post times/date they saw posted elsewhere instead of continually making statements of "If you don't use it that's your problem". Ok, fine. But if we get there first. I guess that's just your problem then right? I mean the times at Tshot are set in stone, no one owns the server, it's just a suggestion....... If so, then guess what? Square 1.






Edited, Thu Oct 27 15:29:40 2005 by airamis

maintenance = orz

Just wanted to add something, to Fuzz.

Just that I appreciate you stepping forward, pointing out inherent flaws in both plans/arrangements. It is at least a start. As I have said constantly it must ALL be based on open communication, discussion, and exchange. Every agreement starts with 2 people agreeing to talk at length about things in a neutral manner.

Once I get home I'll look you up in game and see if at least two people can agree on some things. Then we can all work up from there.

Sidenote: I agree with Acid, and I also applaud the way the Dynamis conflict was handled in a mature and polite manner.

This is why, repeatedly I have offered to pay for whatever it took to have a discussion, among those interested, away from here but not ingame since tells etc can be annoying and hard to keep track of.

our LS has a chatroom, it can support 500 people and we can configure a private room that is password protected. It requires nothing on the part of anyone else as far as installing software, etc.
If you desite I can even pay some additional fees to enable logging and post the full text later so everyone can see what was said and by whom.


Edited, Thu Oct 27 15:41:45 2005 by airamis

I see you boys and girls are still having fun. Let me help you kids out of this jam.

Airamis, you obviously are too old to be playing with this bunch. I mean, don't you realize who you are dealing with? These are the self-proclaimed gods of Ragnarok who you must bow down to and worship (think of the games you use to play as a kid you old turkey).

Here, let me explain:
TSHoT = The SHell of Toddlers

As for lemonade, let my friend Mr. Lee Moan explain. Here is a picture of Lee Moan:

Lee Moan

He has been busy trying to teach the Lemonade kids how to read a calendar. They have been having a hard time. See their picture here:

Lemonade

They did not mean to knock you out of dynamis the other night. You see, they had their lemonade stand set up in Sandy and let the time slip by. They haven't learned about calendars yet. Business was good. So then they forgot all Mr. Lee Moan taught them and accidently went into the wrong Dynamis.

So Airamis, you are going to have to explain it in terms they understand. Obviously Mr. Lee Moan is having a hard time with this. So I don't know if you can accomplish this easily. You've been out of school too long.