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George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
TirithRR wrote:
Westworld's first season is over. I'm not sure if I think it really needs a second though. Haven't looked into whether or not it got renewed, but it did call it the "season 1 finale" so I can only assume. I would not be angry if it were wrapped up though. Think it has just the right amount of open ends to leave it as is.
It was an interesting season and series (so far). I think they did a good job balancing the stock action/adventures stuff and the intrigue stuff and the "WTF is going on here?" stuff. There were sufficient plot twists that I didn't see coming (well, too far ahead anyway) to make it interesting. In particular I did not see the whole William thing at all until the man in black started talking past tense about him. This one was particularly good because it was a key plot element through the entire series, both characters where highlighted the whole time, and in hindsight there were actually a number of clues, but you only realized their significance after the reveal. I also loved that they didn't just hit you on the head with the reveal, but told a story over several minutes as it steadily dawned on you what had been there all the time. Very very good story writing on that one. And I don't say that very often..
My understanding is that they have pre-mapped a 5 season storyline for this (don't quote me on that though, just repeating something a friend told me). So the stories and reveals and twists are actually planned rather than just chucked in there arbitrarily to keep audiences guessing (which usually means they make zero sense and only get worse over time. Yes, I'm looking at you Lost and Under the Dome). We'll see if they can maintain that over time though. The first season certainly seemed to be well written and well planned. There were a few character actions that I kinda felt were a stretch. For example: No seriously don't look here if you haven't watched the show and ever intend toHow could there be no one around who notices that the second in command behavior programmer (Bernard) is an exact duplicate of one of the founders of the park (Arnold), yet with a different name and no memory of being a copy? At the very least William should have recognized him, since the whole deal was about him being there at the beginning of the park, saw the changed programing in the hosts when Ford undid Arnold's work, and that's what inspired him to take over Delos corp and fund the park despite what was apparently a disastrous initial opening
Of course, they left it on a semi-cliff hanger (I did, at least see that coming a mile away, but not the specifics Ford. The good news is that William will presumably enjoy the new narrative, if he survives past the first minute of it. I'm guessing not so great for most of the rest of the board members. Unfortunately, due to the production costs and whatnot, they wont be doing a season 2 until 2018. So a long wait to find out what happens next.
I'm looking forward to it though. The series has at least piqued my interest. Not usually a fan of western themed stuff, but then this isn't really about that, is it? Insert stock comment about the nature of humanity here
King Nobby wrote:
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I loved Westworld right up until they turned the hosts in storage into an unstoppable army of doom. That was exactly what I thought they would do the second I first saw them and I'm more than a little disappointment that I was right. For a series that for the most part was pleasantly refreshing with some nice plot twists that you didn't see coming, it was a huge let down to see it end so predictably.
I will say, I also loved the William twist. In hind sight it was there the whole time, but the clues were so subtle that it was easy to overlook. The reveal was also nicely done, with a slow unfolding of the story instead of just a shocking announcement. The only other thing I didn't like was Bernard being copy of Arnold. I was fine with him being a host, it even makes sense given what came before the reveal of that bit of information, but an exact copy of someone that Ford keeps a picture of on his desk? I just didn't buy it.
Overall though, it was one of the better shows to come around the last few years. I've been recommending it to people ever since I saw the first episode. The few people that I know that have watched, also loved it. Hopefully, the rest of the series can live up to the first season.
Edited, Dec 8th 2016 10:05pm by Turin
I will say, I also loved the William twist. In hind sight it was there the whole time, but the clues were so subtle that it was easy to overlook. The reveal was also nicely done, with a slow unfolding of the story instead of just a shocking announcement. The only other thing I didn't like was Bernard being copy of Arnold. I was fine with him being a host, it even makes sense given what came before the reveal of that bit of information, but an exact copy of someone that Ford keeps a picture of on his desk? I just didn't buy it.
Overall though, it was one of the better shows to come around the last few years. I've been recommending it to people ever since I saw the first episode. The few people that I know that have watched, also loved it. Hopefully, the rest of the series can live up to the first season.
Edited, Dec 8th 2016 10:05pm by Turin
The whole Bernard reveal really tanked the show for me. I realize the show's premise requires a high degree of suspense of belief and whatnot, but come on you can only let so much go. The player piano, and the music in general, was the best part of the show.
Going with mid/season finales, several other shows ended as well. Flash was pretty meh. Most of the season was Barry whining about messing up, and Wally whining about not being allowed to superhero, which when he does get let off the leash he got his butt kicked justifying everyone's concern for him. Hipster Wells was amusing in small doses. Agents of SHIELD was a bit better with Ghost Rider and LMD, but the season finale wasn't so bad. Robbie disappearing with Eli was pretty anticlimatic, but I imagine it was due to budget we didn't get a big fight scene out of them. Saw the Aida thing from a mile away, but it's a tossup between being corrupted by the Darkhold and replacing people to protect them. A surprising show for me, though, has been the Lethal Weapon series. I generally don't like Damon Wayans, but the show has been genuinely enjoyable. Legends of Tomorrow season should end tonight, with the old-timey mafia storyline which is an era I happen to like.
Rumor has it that tonight's Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer will give us a glimpse of Michael Keaton's Vulture as well.
Richard E. Grant's character in Wolverine: Logan has been revealed to be Dr. Zander Rice, who was the surgical head of the X-23 project.
Watched the Suicide Squad: Extended Mix, and unlike Batman v Superman it really just throws the pacing of the movie into a blender. While I don't think Jared Leto was a bad Joker, all the extra scenes with him add nothing to the movie and just make a slow movie sludge along.
Edited, Dec 8th 2016 12:40pm by lolgaxe
Going with mid/season finales, several other shows ended as well. Flash was pretty meh. Most of the season was Barry whining about messing up, and Wally whining about not being allowed to superhero, which when he does get let off the leash he got his butt kicked justifying everyone's concern for him. Hipster Wells was amusing in small doses. Agents of SHIELD was a bit better with Ghost Rider and LMD, but the season finale wasn't so bad. Robbie disappearing with Eli was pretty anticlimatic, but I imagine it was due to budget we didn't get a big fight scene out of them. Saw the Aida thing from a mile away, but it's a tossup between being corrupted by the Darkhold and replacing people to protect them. A surprising show for me, though, has been the Lethal Weapon series. I generally don't like Damon Wayans, but the show has been genuinely enjoyable. Legends of Tomorrow season should end tonight, with the old-timey mafia storyline which is an era I happen to like.
Rumor has it that tonight's Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer will give us a glimpse of Michael Keaton's Vulture as well.
Richard E. Grant's character in Wolverine: Logan has been revealed to be Dr. Zander Rice, who was the surgical head of the X-23 project.
Watched the Suicide Squad: Extended Mix, and unlike Batman v Superman it really just throws the pacing of the movie into a blender. While I don't think Jared Leto was a bad Joker, all the extra scenes with him add nothing to the movie and just make a slow movie sludge along.
Edited, Dec 8th 2016 12:40pm by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Turin wrote:
I loved Westworld right up until they turned the hosts in storage into an unstoppable army of doom. That was exactly what I thought they would do the second I first saw them and I'm more than a little disappointment that I was right. For a series that for the most part was pleasantly refreshing with some nice plot twists that you didn't see coming, it was a huge let down to see it end so predictably.
Actually, I found it a bit refreshing. One of my peeves about shows like this is that the writers put in twists just for the sake of putting in a twist. So they set something up, make the audience think X will happen, and then it's like "hah hah! Got you! We're doing this instead!". Which, if the twist makes sense, is fine. But when it's every freaking thing, and the twist makes less sense than the setup, it just reads like arbitrary writer laziness. In this situation, the unstoppable army of doom was exactly what Ford was setting up all along and made complete sense given everything leading up to it. Frankly, it would have been much more disappointing if it had turned out that they weren't used at all, but he instead used something completely different that was never revealed to the audience prior to it happening.
Dunno. I like not having everything be a twist. Makes the actual twists work better IMO.
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I will say, I also loved the William twist. In hind sight it was there the whole time, but the clues were so subtle that it was easy to overlook. The reveal was also nicely done, with a slow unfolding of the story instead of just a shocking announcement.
What's funny is that one of my friends at one point early in the series actually brought up the question of whether everything we're seeing is happening "now" versus merely being a memory a host is experiencing. This was suggested several times (sometimes not even very subtly). Despite that, neither of us figured out the William twist until the reveal. We just assumed that whenever something strange happened, it was the host remembering something similar from it's past that overlapped the present. Didn't take that thought process the extra step needed to figure out the twist.
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The only other thing I didn't like was Bernard being copy of Arnold. I was fine with him being a host, it even makes sense given what came before the reveal of that bit of information, but an exact copy of someone that Ford keeps of a picture of on his desk? I just didn't by it..
Yeah. Kinda hard to imagine that the folks running HR managed to miss this tidbit. I suppose we can assume that Ford set stuff up from the beginning, but this is something that TV and films get wrong all the time. In large corporate environments, the folks building/designing/programming stuff in the business don't actually have any access to the systems used by HR, AA, or Security. Kinda for exactly this reason. And no, the CEO doesn't have a magic override for any of those systems either. Nor does the CIO, or any other chief officer or executives. At my job, I have root level access to a whole ton of systems and IP all over the world. What I have zero access to? Payroll. Benefits. Employee records. Security camera systems. Badge readers. Any of the systems that manage those things (although I suppose I could do some sneaky things with dns/networking that could interrupt certain systems). And I don't even work at a company where there are armed guards and a risk of our robot overlords taking over.
Honestly, I just chalk that up to the usual "writers for TV/Film have no clue how actual corporations are structured". It would be nice if just once they got this right, but as one of the few (relatively minor) flaws, I'm ok with it. Although, it's possible that the entire world is populated by robots, who have all forgotten what they actually are, and they just play the roles they were programmed for. We've seen nothing of the world outside the park, right? Folks just arrive by train and then leave. Where do they go? Do they actually do anything when they're not in the park? Or is there just a giant storage facility of robot "guests" waiting their turn to spend time in the one place left after some great calamity destroyed all humanity leaving nothing but a theme park left. Maybe the robots got bored waiting for humanity to return to the park and just created robot "guests" so they could fulfill their function? Heck. The possible insane twists are nearly endless.... That would be just crazy though.
Edited, Dec 8th 2016 3:41pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Actually, if you think about it there's a number of odd things about the park. How do the guns work? How do they manage to damage the hosts like normal bullets, but don't seem to faze the guests at all? Are there different guns issued? How do they keep them separate? Do the hosts just think they're firing at the guests, but are really just standing there making "pew pew" sounds waiting for the guest to shoot them back? And how do we explain the difference between when Ted shot the man in black in episode one versus the last episode? Neither one killed him, but the first time it was completely ineffective, but the most recent time it at least knocked him down. If the bullets in the guns are "real" but the hosts just don't actually shot (but maybe think they are), then that doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure of any answer that makes sense without going into "guests are really hosts programmed differently" territory.? How do they avoid guests accidentally (or purposely) shooting and killing each other? One of the selling points is that the hosts look and act totally real. Can the guests tell who is a host and who is a guest? How does that work? And how do they manage other objects (like bottles and knives)? Is everything in the park "fake" and can't really hurt anyone (much), but the hosts are programmed to think they've been injured? Then how do we explain all the damage? They're shown being carted into the lab area's for repair all the time. Are the host bodies equipped with explosive squibs or something that inflict that damage when appropriate?
There's a whole lot of "WTF" in that show. But not necessarily bad at all. Just... curious. If they have good explanations for them, then that's great. If they're lame about it, it may suck. Or they may just leave them up to the audience to continue wondering about. Only time will tell.
There's a whole lot of "WTF" in that show. But not necessarily bad at all. Just... curious. If they have good explanations for them, then that's great. If they're lame about it, it may suck. Or they may just leave them up to the audience to continue wondering about. Only time will tell.
King Nobby wrote:
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Gonna spoiler the discussiony parts to cut some space. I really just wanted to post the Spidy trailer. I have no problem with that. It's easy enough to believe that a control freak like Ford, who basically invented everything in the building, would also keep control of all the elements involved. His contract stipulates he has control over everything, and what things he doesn't he simply built in backdoors to allow it anyway. It might not be true in "our" corporate environments, but in this world? Sure, why not. The original movie explained that the guns have a built in safety function that won't let them fire at anything "warm," like a real person. The show itself is more complex, though. Logan explains in like the third episode that people can get shot, they just can't get killed because "it wouldn't be much of a game if they can't shoot back."
Also if you go to discoverwestworld.com and ask about the guns it'll say that "Humans can be shot, but you are under no serious risk of injury or death; our guns feature low-velocity technology which feels closer to paintballs than bullets. You will either get better at ducking or grow accustomed to the impact."
There's also the ToS statement for entering Westworld. It states that "Gun ammunition contains proprietary safeguards related to bullet velocity, and tampering with gun safety features or ammunition automatically transfers liability to you and absolves Delos, Inc., of any injury or death that may occur as a result" which makes the discoverwestworld statement more viable for me. Paintball (and beanbag rounds for that matter) usually don't kill but that doesn't mean they can't, especially if you jack up the velocity. Which leads us to -
Jonathan Nolan (one of the shows creators) says that "It's not the guns, it's the bullets." Probably some sensor that controls their velocity according to who they're shooting. The bullet fires regular at other hosts, but the spin and speed of the round slows down significantly when a real person is targeted. There's probably also some safe guards in the guns themselves that keep the guns from firing at all between two real people, and programming that prevents the hosts from targeting vital areas like faces. Which is how Ed Harris can take a shot to the chest like a champ but gets wounded by an arm shot.
Or maybe it's just Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. God I hate CTL.
And I know all this because I'm pretty obsessed with guns and that was one of the first questions I had myself. Right now I'm less concerned with the guns in Westworld than what I just watched in Legends of Tomorrow where a metal guy gets shot with a tommy gun. Sure, the bullets would bounce of him but would leave holes in his clothes Presumably more holes than shots fired since ricochet would redirect the rounds in different directions. Guess what didn't happen?
Just like typing faster makes internet searches work faster, velocity has zero affect on impact, Firegun doesn't actually burn anything ... It's this **** that drives me bats.
But I just can't buy thatSteve Jobs Arnold just came back to life with a different name and absolutely no one in the entire world noticed. Ford even built Bernard to behave exactly like Arnold, right down to the personal ticks like how he plays with his glasses when he is in deep thought. No one in the whole world noticed? There is no way someone who would be that famous and not have a million pictures of him in tech magazines at the least, and he would be recognized by someone instantly. The only way it works in my head is that this is another narrative inside a narrative (inside a narrative inside a narrative inside a ...) and it's not really Arnold. Which works in my head if you also believe that Ford is also a host. So convoluted I'm saying that Arnold is actually the one that is alive and Ford is the one that originally died, and the Ford host was programmed to build an Arnold host. The reason? I don't know, my eyes go cross and my head starts to hurt at this point trying to make sense of that mess. But it does explain how a host can kill a normal person, if Ford wasn't actually a normal person in the first place. I mean, even when Maeve cut that tech's neck a few episodes back she still immediately patched him back up.
Ryan Reynolds confirmed that they are casting Cable and are "looking into" Domino for the next Deadpool movie. I think I'll just go ahead and buy my tickets now.
DC's office comedy Powerless has a release date finally: February 2 at 0830 pm ET.
We got lied to. There was supposed to be a Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer release tonight during Jimmy Kimmel. There was, in fact, two trailers.
First trailer seems to focus more on Peter and his high school environment. Notable parts isThor and Hulk that it looks like they mixed up Jacob Batalon's character. Last I read was that he's supposed to be Ned Leeds, but it looks and acts more like Ganke from Miles Morales' Spider-Man. Chubby Asian kid that likes Legos. Maybe it was a false report to keep the audience in suspense and that is Ganke and not Ned, which would be fine. If they're just taking Ganke's character and slapping Ned's name on him then I've got a problem with it. The second trailer is the international one, and seems to focus more on the villains: Shocker and Vulture. I especially like the fuzz on Vulture's costume, though the mask doesn't do anything for me. Too tech, which brings up bad memories of William Dafoe's Green Goblin which in turn leads to Franco's 90s Extreme Kid Goblin nightmare. Too bad the music is kind of boring in both.
But everything else? I'm down with it. Your mileage may vary, don't forget that Spider-Man is my favorite character so possibly a lot of bias towards anything involving him.
If anyone is interested, there was also a War For the Planet of the Apes trailer.
Edited, Dec 9th 2016 10:14am by lolgaxe
gbaji wrote:
In large corporate environments, the folks building/designing/programming stuff in the business don't actually have any access to the systems used by HR, AA, or Security.
gbaji wrote:
How do the guns work?
Also if you go to discoverwestworld.com and ask about the guns it'll say that "Humans can be shot, but you are under no serious risk of injury or death; our guns feature low-velocity technology which feels closer to paintballs than bullets. You will either get better at ducking or grow accustomed to the impact."
There's also the ToS statement for entering Westworld. It states that "Gun ammunition contains proprietary safeguards related to bullet velocity, and tampering with gun safety features or ammunition automatically transfers liability to you and absolves Delos, Inc., of any injury or death that may occur as a result" which makes the discoverwestworld statement more viable for me. Paintball (and beanbag rounds for that matter) usually don't kill but that doesn't mean they can't, especially if you jack up the velocity. Which leads us to -
Jonathan Nolan (one of the shows creators) says that "It's not the guns, it's the bullets." Probably some sensor that controls their velocity according to who they're shooting. The bullet fires regular at other hosts, but the spin and speed of the round slows down significantly when a real person is targeted. There's probably also some safe guards in the guns themselves that keep the guns from firing at all between two real people, and programming that prevents the hosts from targeting vital areas like faces. Which is how Ed Harris can take a shot to the chest like a champ but gets wounded by an arm shot.
Or maybe it's just Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. God I hate CTL.
And I know all this because I'm pretty obsessed with guns and that was one of the first questions I had myself. Right now I'm less concerned with the guns in Westworld than what I just watched in Legends of Tomorrow where a metal guy gets shot with a tommy gun. Sure, the bullets would bounce of him but would leave holes in his clothes Presumably more holes than shots fired since ricochet would redirect the rounds in different directions. Guess what didn't happen?
Just like typing faster makes internet searches work faster, velocity has zero affect on impact, Firegun doesn't actually burn anything ... It's this **** that drives me bats.
But I just can't buy that
Ryan Reynolds confirmed that they are casting Cable and are "looking into" Domino for the next Deadpool movie. I think I'll just go ahead and buy my tickets now.
DC's office comedy Powerless has a release date finally: February 2 at 0830 pm ET.
We got lied to. There was supposed to be a Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer release tonight during Jimmy Kimmel. There was, in fact, two trailers.
First trailer seems to focus more on Peter and his high school environment. Notable parts is
But everything else? I'm down with it. Your mileage may vary, don't forget that Spider-Man is my favorite character so possibly a lot of bias towards anything involving him.
If anyone is interested, there was also a War For the Planet of the Apes trailer.
Edited, Dec 9th 2016 10:14am by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
In large corporate environments, the folks building/designing/programming stuff in the business don't actually have any access to the systems used by HR, AA, or Security.
Fair enough, at least in terms of control and access within the park itself. We don't know enough (or really anything at all) about the "real" world outside the park. But based on the fact that there is a corporation that owns the park, complete with a board of directors, and comments regarding investing in the park itself, we can conclude that money is still used in some form in this future, which means that people get paid salaries, which presumably requires some form of tracking who is employed in the park by the company that owns the park, all of which is completely outside the range that Ford could affect directly. Let's not forget that one of the plots to get rid of Ford was to set up Bernard such that he'd have to make the choice between getting fired or turning on Ford. Um... How do they fire someone who doesn't exist? They never noticed that "Bernard" isn't a real person? Ford would have to have been able to access and manipulate data well outside of the park itself to pull this off. Not saying that's impossible, but it seems like if he actually had that kind of power, then none of the plans of the board against him could or should have gotten past phase one. Unless, I suppose, that was one of his own manipulations all along, with the goal of getting the board into the park. Again though, if he had that kind of power, then why does he care about that?
Which maybe just means there's more going on than we know. Which is, presumably, the point.
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Also if you go to discoverwestworld.com and ask about the guns it'll say that "Humans can be shot, but you are under no serious risk of injury or death; our guns feature low-velocity technology which feels closer to paintballs than bullets. You will either get better at ducking or grow accustomed to the impact."
There's also the ToS statement for entering Westworld. It states that "Gun ammunition contains proprietary safeguards related to bullet velocity, and tampering with gun safety features or ammunition automatically transfers liability to you and absolves Delos, Inc., of any injury or death that may occur as a result" which makes the discoverwestworld statement more viable for me. Paintball (and beanbag rounds for that matter) usually don't kill but that doesn't mean they can't, especially if you jack up the velocity.
There's also the ToS statement for entering Westworld. It states that "Gun ammunition contains proprietary safeguards related to bullet velocity, and tampering with gun safety features or ammunition automatically transfers liability to you and absolves Delos, Inc., of any injury or death that may occur as a result" which makes the discoverwestworld statement more viable for me. Paintball (and beanbag rounds for that matter) usually don't kill but that doesn't mean they can't, especially if you jack up the velocity.
That makes some sense. That detection tech had better be really good. But that's something we can assume is workable in this future.
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Which leads us to -
Jonathan Nolan (one of the shows creators) says that "It's not the guns, it's the bullets." Probably some sensor that controls their velocity according to who they're shooting. The bullet fires regular at other hosts, but the spin and speed of the round slows down significantly when a real person is targeted. There's probably also some safe guards in the guns themselves that keep the guns from firing at all between two real people, and programming that prevents the hosts from targeting vital areas like faces. Which is how Ed Harris can take a shot to the chest like a champ but gets wounded by an arm shot.
Jonathan Nolan (one of the shows creators) says that "It's not the guns, it's the bullets." Probably some sensor that controls their velocity according to who they're shooting. The bullet fires regular at other hosts, but the spin and speed of the round slows down significantly when a real person is targeted. There's probably also some safe guards in the guns themselves that keep the guns from firing at all between two real people, and programming that prevents the hosts from targeting vital areas like faces. Which is how Ed Harris can take a shot to the chest like a champ but gets wounded by an arm shot.
I'm thinking maybe Nolan doesn't understand physics then since that makes very little sense. The bullet can't do much to change its velocity or spin once it's fired, no matter how much smarts you somehow put into it. The bullet doesn't "fire", it "is fired". Once that happens, unless this future has like inertia dampening fields or something (which actually would explain things nicely, so there's that). That suggests a far more advanced technology than has been previously suggested though. Once you start taking that level, you're basically at...
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Or maybe it's just Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. God I hate CTL.
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this is another narrative inside a narrative (inside a narrative inside a narrative inside a ...) and it's not really Arnold. Which works in my head if you also believe that Ford is also a host. So convoluted I'm saying that Arnold is actually the one that is alive and Ford is the one that originally died, and the Ford host was programmed to build an Arnold host. The reason? I don't know, my eyes go cross and my head starts to hurt at this point trying to make sense of that mess. But it does explain how a host can kill a normal person, if Ford wasn't actually a normal person in the first place. I mean, even when Maeve cut that tech's neck a few episodes back she still immediately patched him back up.
Hah. I've gone back and forth on that in my own head several times as well. The whole "who's programing is doing this really?" question has been one of the key background elements to the story (and something that's not remotely close to being answered). I also speculated that Ford was a host. But my thinking wasn't as far down the rabbit hole as yours. I just figured Ford set all this up, and even if we take him at his word about the whole "realizing Arnold was right and trying to make amends" bit, everything we know about Ford as a person makes me not believe he'd give up control (by dying in this case). Also, I'd think he'd want to see his narrative play out, and he can't do that if he's dead. My guess is that he made a Ford-bot to die, and he's sitting back watching the fun unfold.
But yeah, having the "real" Arnold show up in season 2 only to reveal that Ford was a robot all along would work too!
Edited, Dec 9th 2016 3:22pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
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Just hoping that they don't go all 3D on this remake/reboot. Hoping for something just your standard 2D.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
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As a complete aside, was that Carl as the Uncle on Steven Universe?
I missed this, but ya. That's all I could think of watching that whole episode.
Did Supergirl have a mid season finale episode after the cross over? My box didn't record anything. I've got the three other shows. I finally caught back up (again) on these shows. Combination of my last trip and FFXV coming out last week made me fall behind again. Since all four shows were a cross over I figured I'd just play FFXV and then watch all four at once.
Also, I always thought that the "-El" thing in the Super-<insert name here>'s real names were family names? But it didn't make much sense with this Mon-El in Supergirl.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
gbaji wrote:
The bullet can't do much to change its velocity or spin once it's fired, no matter how much smarts you somehow put into it.
TirithRR wrote:
Did Supergirl have a mid season finale episode after the cross over?
Walking Dead is down for the winter. Hopefully when it comes back up Rick can stop making that stupid face he's been making the past two months.
Extended Lego Batman Movie TV Spot.
Another award season, and relevant to this thread Deadpool and Westworld both got a couple of nods from the Golden Globes.
Edited, Dec 12th 2016 1:19pm by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
That was the crossover event itself I think. Looks like supergirl didn't have a mid season finale after that.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The bullet can't do much to change its velocity or spin once it's fired, no matter how much smarts you somehow put into it.
I don't know the context of whatever question(s) he was answering, but making a point to say it's not the guns, but the bullets, just seems strange (again, admittedly coming in after the fact). I can totally see programmable bullets which can be fired with different amounts of force (which more or less just requires some means of variable explosive in the casing). But you'd kinda expect that the sensing technology to know what you're pointing the gun at would have to be in the gun, which in turn programs the bullet to fire at a given force based on the calculated need. There's no rational reason to put that in the disposable part of the weapon system rather than the part that gets used over and over.
Which still leaves us at 99% of the "work" being done by the gun. Yeah, it has to be loaded with special bullets to work (which may be what he was talking about), but that's still mostly a feature of the gun. The bullets just do what they are told. I think in the show, at one point the gun Dolores finds is pointed out as being special because it can kill guests (or at least she's told it can). I mean, I suppose it could be based on some kind of wireless communication between the host pulling the trigger and the bullets (which would at least make Nolan's statement more reasonable), but then how do you deal with guests accidentally shooting each other?
Eh. It's a minor point at best.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
I started watching Incorporated on SciFi. So far it seems like standard "Corporations rule a dystopian future" fair. But they did mix in a bit of Gattaca. Main guy seems to be a "Borrowed Ladder". It's an interesting enough feature that I'll stay tuned. Gattaca + Elysium = Incorporated.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
This is happening. I'm interested.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
I just got back from being somewhat annoyed at Rogue One. The first thing that bothered me was that they didn't do the traditional title crawl. Instead they just jumped right from "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far way" straight into the movie. Then the first half hour was a bunch of small five minute clips introducing all of the new characters. All of the jumping around just didn't flow well. Once we met all of the characters, and got some sub plots out of the way, we got to be bored quite a bit some pointless bickering between the new characters and the leaders of the Rebels, and then it's off to the big finale.
There is some pretty decent Star Warsish action scenes. Lots of blasters going off, and X-wings doing neat maneuvers while the capital ships didn't really do much of anything. The fighting is interspersed with some scenes of Jin and company stealing the plans for the Death Star from what may be the silliest designed storage system ever created. Then, the end.
The most annoying bit is that they went and just killed off the entire cast of new characters. I suppose it was the easiest way of explaining why they never showed up in the old movies, but it doesn't make me particularly happy about it.
Unless you're a huge Star Wars fan and just have to see it right now, it's not really worth the price of admission. Maybe a rental or a late night cable movie, but that's it. I will say that the scene were Vader boards the rebel flagship and just annihilates everyone in his path was pretty cool, but that was really the only bit that did anything for me.
Edited, Dec 17th 2016 8:14pm by Turin
There is some pretty decent Star Warsish action scenes. Lots of blasters going off, and X-wings doing neat maneuvers while the capital ships didn't really do much of anything. The fighting is interspersed with some scenes of Jin and company stealing the plans for the Death Star from what may be the silliest designed storage system ever created. Then, the end.
The most annoying bit is that they went and just killed off the entire cast of new characters. I suppose it was the easiest way of explaining why they never showed up in the old movies, but it doesn't make me particularly happy about it.
Unless you're a huge Star Wars fan and just have to see it right now, it's not really worth the price of admission. Maybe a rental or a late night cable movie, but that's it. I will say that the scene were Vader boards the rebel flagship and just annihilates everyone in his path was pretty cool, but that was really the only bit that did anything for me.
Edited, Dec 17th 2016 8:14pm by Turin
I'm going to watch it tomorrow. Price of admission is never an issue for me. So even if it's not great I'll still find value.
My day today was:
2 hours plowing my driveway (only about 2/3rds done).
9 hours binging all of Lucifer that I had on my DVR up until this mid season finale of sorts.
Lucifer got pretty good. Better than some other shows I had stuck with throughout this past season. Looking forward to it coming back after the holiday, but am hoping they wrap up the story and don't try to drag it on.
My day today was:
2 hours plowing my driveway (only about 2/3rds done).
9 hours binging all of Lucifer that I had on my DVR up until this mid season finale of sorts.
Lucifer got pretty good. Better than some other shows I had stuck with throughout this past season. Looking forward to it coming back after the holiday, but am hoping they wrap up the story and don't try to drag it on.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
I thought Rogue One was better than Episode VII.
My only real issue with it was the blind man fighting the storm troopers. I mean, I get it, storm troopers are a joke in the Star Wars universe. But a kick to the helmet and they are out and even kicking up sand in the helmeted face and causing them to jump back and cover their face...
And during the assault on the shield generator, they kept cutting into the cockpits of the rebel fighters. And I couldn't tell if they were reusing footage from IV, or if they had just created the new footage in a way to make it look exactly like IV, or some combination of the two. But I found it very distracting, the differences in the film as it cut from the newer styled footage outside during the battle to the older styled footage from the cockpit.
I didn't mind the short cutaways during the start to introduce places and people. And I didn't mind the fact that all these new people died in the end. I always find it a bit refreshing when movies don't just end on the "We saved the day and everyone lived happily ever after" note.
My only real issue with it was the blind man fighting the storm troopers. I mean, I get it, storm troopers are a joke in the Star Wars universe. But a kick to the helmet and they are out and even kicking up sand in the helmeted face and causing them to jump back and cover their face...
And during the assault on the shield generator, they kept cutting into the cockpits of the rebel fighters. And I couldn't tell if they were reusing footage from IV, or if they had just created the new footage in a way to make it look exactly like IV, or some combination of the two. But I found it very distracting, the differences in the film as it cut from the newer styled footage outside during the battle to the older styled footage from the cockpit.
I didn't mind the short cutaways during the start to introduce places and people. And I didn't mind the fact that all these new people died in the end. I always find it a bit refreshing when movies don't just end on the "We saved the day and everyone lived happily ever after" note.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
My wife keeps calling it Star Wars: Suicide Squad, for some of the same reasons spoiled above. Overall, we liked it quite a lot!
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Ease back into this with Banger Sasquatch showing up as Doctor Strange in Thor: Ragnarok. Makes sense, considering the mid-credit scene in Strange's movie. They're really going all out.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
David Ayer apparently confirmed that joining Catwoman and Poison Ivy will be joining Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn in recently announced Gotham City Sirens.
Russian trailer for Wonder Woman. About a minute shorter, and in Russian.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2017 10:43am by lolgaxe
Russian trailer for Wonder Woman. About a minute shorter, and in Russian.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2017 10:43am by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Finally saw Rogue One this weekend. Similar thoughts:
This didn't bother me that much. My understanding is that they're making a specific point of differentiating the "epic" main films (episodes) versus a new class of filler/side stories. So I suspect this was an intentional design decision, and it kinda made sense. Heck. If it means we maybe get to see the whole Thrawn story as a side thing, I'll happily give up the title sequence.
My biggest issue was that some of the plot sequences took a lot of time, but didn't advance the plot much. The entire bit of traveling to the planet with Jin's father was one. From a story point of view, the only outcome from that is that they get the cargo ship that they use to get through the shield at the planet with the plans. Nothing else significant really happens from a plot point of view. They could literally have plot handwaved a stolen access code and gone right to the final planet, and stolen the plans that way, while avoiding a whole lot of death and destruction in the process.
Remember, the plot to that point is that the pilot defected with a message, but the evil PLO version of the rebellion has him, and they need Jin to get the message. She sees the message, which tells about the Death Star, that it's completed (or will be) regardless of her father's interaction, but that he put the fatal flaw in it which they can exploit to destroy it. At this point, they know they need the plans. Period. They could just set up the above mentioned covert mission and do things quietly and avoid a whole ton of hassle. But they don't believe her, so they send her with captain whatshisname to go talk to (er, kill) him. Why? No clue. Maybe there was an explanation and I just forgot, but I honestly don't know why they needed to go to her father at all. They think he's necessary to completing the weapon? Why believe that part, but not the rest she told them? She could literally have made the whole thing up just to use their resources to do <whatever>. It's not like they gained any information at all from that trip. IIRC, the original message also specifically stated that the flaw was in the power generator/whatever, so they had what they needed already.
Just made no sense to me that they believed that he was the one who made/designed the weapon enough to send a covert mission to kill him, but didn't believe that he'd put a flaw in the system that they could find with the plans. What's even more ridiculous is that they already knew the weapon was finished. They'd already barely survived escaping from a planet it was used on, right? So they already knew that killing the designer could serve zero purpose. So why do it? One would think, having just seen said weapon in action, and being told that the designer put a flaw in it that could be used to destroy it, and that they'd need to examine the plan to take advantage of said flaw, that they might go where the plans are, or even maybe actually do what they told Jin they were doing and capture/rescue her father. So why where they there? No reason at all. Except that they got a ship that they could use later.
On that note though, I did love how they came up with their call sign (and that it's used later). There were a bunch of neato little bits in there (like the guys with the death sentence on 6 planets or whatever that they run into). So yeah, I can honestly look past the whole "why are they here again?" bit. It also served some character development purpose, so I guess there's that.
This. OMG this x1000! The whole time I was watching that, I'm thinking that 1995 wants their tape backup system back. Um... Except that even those old tape machines were automated and you didn't actually pull the darn tape out to read/copy the data. That's... just... awful. I mean, I get that this is "ancient high tech" of Star Wars, but seriously? I could even get over the whole "can't just pull up the data and transmit it" bit. Assuming this is a secure storage facility, you'd kinda not have your data in a location where it could just be directly connected to your transmitter (I guess, but then why have the transmitter at all?). Now maybe there was a better way to retrieve the data that we just didn't see. IIRC, there was some kind of power outage or something that happened right as they were trying to get it. So maybe that's why they had to physically pull the tape out. But I'm having a hard time imagining any sort of scenario that could prevent normal reading of the data from the tape to maybe a terminal nearby or something, but which would still allow the actual tape library machine to function, including searching for codewords associated with data (so clearly computer access was there), identifying it, turning on a flashing light (why, oh why?), and then manually operating the robot arm to pluck it out (just not even going to comment on that).
I get it. It looked cool and was very Starwarsy. I mean, Obi Wan had to manually operate a bunch of handles and buttons, located in a very non OSHA environment, to turn off the tractor beam, right? So I guess the precedent is set. But in that case, we can at least imagine that he was turning off some kind of manual safety/breaker or whatever to prevent the normal operation of said beam by computer. But in this case, there's not a whole lot of good explanation for it other than it provided for a set of action sequences in cool/scary environments. Again though, while this was silly, I just kinda chalked it up to this being Star Wars, and one of the features of that universe is that it has bizarrely manually controlled high tech stuff all over the place (and apparently, risk of death doing something as mundane as changing the channel on your TV I guess).
I actually found that to be very refreshing.
What I really loved is how the film so directly leads right to the opening of New Hope. Also highlights the sheer audacity of Leia in that film, loudly protesting about this being a "diplomatic mission" and playing like she's totally innocent, when she knows darn well that it's not and that Vader absolutely knows it's not. The politics is strong in that one.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2017 4:24pm by gbaji
Turin wrote:
The first thing that bothered me was that they didn't do the traditional title crawl. Instead they just jumped right from "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far way" straight into the movie.
This didn't bother me that much. My understanding is that they're making a specific point of differentiating the "epic" main films (episodes) versus a new class of filler/side stories. So I suspect this was an intentional design decision, and it kinda made sense. Heck. If it means we maybe get to see the whole Thrawn story as a side thing, I'll happily give up the title sequence.
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All of the jumping around just didn't flow well. Once we met all of the characters, and got some sub plots out of the way, we got to be bored quite a bit some pointless bickering between the new characters and the leaders of the Rebels, and then it's off to the big finale.
My biggest issue was that some of the plot sequences took a lot of time, but didn't advance the plot much. The entire bit of traveling to the planet with Jin's father was one. From a story point of view, the only outcome from that is that they get the cargo ship that they use to get through the shield at the planet with the plans. Nothing else significant really happens from a plot point of view. They could literally have plot handwaved a stolen access code and gone right to the final planet, and stolen the plans that way, while avoiding a whole lot of death and destruction in the process.
Remember, the plot to that point is that the pilot defected with a message, but the evil PLO version of the rebellion has him, and they need Jin to get the message. She sees the message, which tells about the Death Star, that it's completed (or will be) regardless of her father's interaction, but that he put the fatal flaw in it which they can exploit to destroy it. At this point, they know they need the plans. Period. They could just set up the above mentioned covert mission and do things quietly and avoid a whole ton of hassle. But they don't believe her, so they send her with captain whatshisname to go talk to (er, kill) him. Why? No clue. Maybe there was an explanation and I just forgot, but I honestly don't know why they needed to go to her father at all. They think he's necessary to completing the weapon? Why believe that part, but not the rest she told them? She could literally have made the whole thing up just to use their resources to do <whatever>. It's not like they gained any information at all from that trip. IIRC, the original message also specifically stated that the flaw was in the power generator/whatever, so they had what they needed already.
Just made no sense to me that they believed that he was the one who made/designed the weapon enough to send a covert mission to kill him, but didn't believe that he'd put a flaw in the system that they could find with the plans. What's even more ridiculous is that they already knew the weapon was finished. They'd already barely survived escaping from a planet it was used on, right? So they already knew that killing the designer could serve zero purpose. So why do it? One would think, having just seen said weapon in action, and being told that the designer put a flaw in it that could be used to destroy it, and that they'd need to examine the plan to take advantage of said flaw, that they might go where the plans are, or even maybe actually do what they told Jin they were doing and capture/rescue her father. So why where they there? No reason at all. Except that they got a ship that they could use later.
On that note though, I did love how they came up with their call sign (and that it's used later). There were a bunch of neato little bits in there (like the guys with the death sentence on 6 planets or whatever that they run into). So yeah, I can honestly look past the whole "why are they here again?" bit. It also served some character development purpose, so I guess there's that.
Quote:
The fighting is interspersed with some scenes of Jin and company stealing the plans for the Death Star from what may be the silliest designed storage system ever created.
This. OMG this x1000! The whole time I was watching that, I'm thinking that 1995 wants their tape backup system back. Um... Except that even those old tape machines were automated and you didn't actually pull the darn tape out to read/copy the data. That's... just... awful. I mean, I get that this is "ancient high tech" of Star Wars, but seriously? I could even get over the whole "can't just pull up the data and transmit it" bit. Assuming this is a secure storage facility, you'd kinda not have your data in a location where it could just be directly connected to your transmitter (I guess, but then why have the transmitter at all?). Now maybe there was a better way to retrieve the data that we just didn't see. IIRC, there was some kind of power outage or something that happened right as they were trying to get it. So maybe that's why they had to physically pull the tape out. But I'm having a hard time imagining any sort of scenario that could prevent normal reading of the data from the tape to maybe a terminal nearby or something, but which would still allow the actual tape library machine to function, including searching for codewords associated with data (so clearly computer access was there), identifying it, turning on a flashing light (why, oh why?), and then manually operating the robot arm to pluck it out (just not even going to comment on that).
I get it. It looked cool and was very Starwarsy. I mean, Obi Wan had to manually operate a bunch of handles and buttons, located in a very non OSHA environment, to turn off the tractor beam, right? So I guess the precedent is set. But in that case, we can at least imagine that he was turning off some kind of manual safety/breaker or whatever to prevent the normal operation of said beam by computer. But in this case, there's not a whole lot of good explanation for it other than it provided for a set of action sequences in cool/scary environments. Again though, while this was silly, I just kinda chalked it up to this being Star Wars, and one of the features of that universe is that it has bizarrely manually controlled high tech stuff all over the place (and apparently, risk of death doing something as mundane as changing the channel on your TV I guess).
Quote:
The most annoying bit is that they went and just killed off the entire cast of new characters. I suppose it was the easiest way of explaining why they never showed up in the old movies, but it doesn't make me particularly happy about it.
I actually found that to be very refreshing.
What I really loved is how the film so directly leads right to the opening of New Hope. Also highlights the sheer audacity of Leia in that film, loudly protesting about this being a "diplomatic mission" and playing like she's totally innocent, when she knows darn well that it's not and that Vader absolutely knows it's not. The politics is strong in that one.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2017 4:24pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
I think the one thing that could possibly be more ridiculous than a group of people paying seven figures to Rob Leifeld for his EXTREME WORLD universe is that Usain Bolt wants to make a cameo in The Flash movie. A movie with impossible anatomy, huge quote unquote futuristic cannon guns and conveniently placed hills to hide feet might be fun to watch, though. I hope it's called POUCHES.
Considering the Star Wars talk, Woody Harrelson is rumored to be the top choice to play a mentor character in the upcoming Han Solo movie. Also rumored, but not related to Star Wars or Harrelson or even directly about movies, Apple is rumored to be working on a system update that will disable any noise that your phone can make as well as prevent the phone from making or receiving calls or other messages as well as dim the screen, but otherwise fully functional. You know, basically Airplane Mode.
Brian Cranston as Zordon, image found on reddit.
Edited, Jan 4th 2017 3:11pm by lolgaxe
Considering the Star Wars talk, Woody Harrelson is rumored to be the top choice to play a mentor character in the upcoming Han Solo movie. Also rumored, but not related to Star Wars or Harrelson or even directly about movies, Apple is rumored to be working on a system update that will disable any noise that your phone can make as well as prevent the phone from making or receiving calls or other messages as well as dim the screen, but otherwise fully functional. You know, basically Airplane Mode.
Brian Cranston as Zordon, image found on reddit.
Edited, Jan 4th 2017 3:11pm by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Looks like Powerless has been changed from a workplace comedy similar to The Office. Now instead of selling insurance and doing claims adjustments to the populations of places like Gotham and Metropolis, they're inventing things at Wayne Security for regular shmucks in those cities. Rumor has it that even the show's entire first episode slash pilot has been reshot. Even the new promo is completely different from the leaked trailer last year.
Also on the agenda, Disney bigwigs are said to be getting together to discuss how to proceed with the Star Wars movies without Carrie Fisher. Hopefully its without body doubles and CG'd faces.
Also on the agenda, Disney bigwigs are said to be getting together to discuss how to proceed with the Star Wars movies without Carrie Fisher. Hopefully its without body doubles and CG'd faces.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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