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#52 Apr 25 2014 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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To be honest I saw the scene and just thought Cersei takes issue with the timing, the place and their firstborns corpse lying next to them. Does she not kiss him back a couple of times?
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To be honest I saw the scene and just thought Cersei takes issue with the timing, the place and their firstborns corpse lying next to them. Does she not kiss him back a couple of times?


She does, a couple times as she's sliding to the floor against the altar, in between saying "It's not right". As Jaime says he doesn't care (if it's not right). Paws at him a bit. Then once he's got her on the ground she's stopped kissing, pushes against his chest once or twice, then just says "Stop it". The whole thing comes off as it being a "Not here, not now" objection (rape in the real world, none the less). But definitely not opposed to the act of **** with him, just the time and place.
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That was my impression, too. And the director's...

What are we discussing again?
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That was my impression, too. And the director's...

What are we discussing again?


Director being a product of rape culture, based on an article which takes an interview quote out of context and places it into the context of something that happened one week after it was said. And the lack of any meaningful reaction to the events which happened in the latest episode, which were the last scenes aired with any of the characters which would have been involved in or witnessed the events.

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Oh, great, the rape culture thing again.
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Eh, the scene didn't bother me much. The part that bothered me was the fact that they were right beside their dead son.
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Eh, the scene didn't bother me much. The part that bothered me was the fact that they were right beside their dead son.


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#59 Apr 25 2014 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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The part that bothered me was the fact that they were right beside their dead son.
Consider the era. Rigor mortis. The kid is a **** toy.
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Oh. And am I the only person who half expected the **** body to fall on them as a result of them sliding down the side of the altar (cause of the whole draped cloth hanging down the sides bit)? I suppose that might have come off as slapstick comedy, but still... Comedy gold!
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Or at least knock off those eye stone things. They jostled the altar enough.

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Craster's sons are White Walker... nobility? (I guess, for a lack of a better term). I'm assuming the figures seen out of focus all dressed in clothing that was not rotten and tattered, and were not dead corpses like the army heading south, were all sons of Craster.
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Craster's sons are White Walker... nobility? (I guess, for a lack of a better term). I'm assuming the figures seen out of focus all dressed in clothing that was not rotten and tattered, and were not dead corpses like the army heading south, were all sons of Craster.

The tv story is full of revelations. So much time spent at the wall last night.

The rape scene should have been Brienne on Jaime - that would have been hot.

I think I'm going for the Brienne hair-do.




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Craster's sons are White Walker... nobility? (I guess, for a lack of a better term). I'm assuming the figures seen out of focus all dressed in clothing that was not rotten and tattered, and were not dead corpses like the army heading south, were all sons of Craster.


My understanding is that the White Walkers are magical mythical creatures that haven't been seen for ages, and are just now re-appearing. This showed us how they are created/propagated/whatever. The zombies are just that: Zombies. Dead people reanimated (presumably by the White Walkers, but that's not totally clear yet). Those you can just burn. White Walkers require dragon stuff to kill (dragon glass or dragon steel). I'm kinda assuming they are the yin to the dragons yang in this world.

Good episode though. Didn't introduce a lot of "new" events, but did have a lot of exposition and explanation.
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Pretty much everything with Jon and Bran and the Walkers was a radical departure from the books. Not necessarily a bad thing, depending on where they're going with it, but worth mentioning.
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Pretty much everything with Jon and Bran and the Walkers was a radical departure from the books. Not necessarily a bad thing, depending on where they're going with it, but worth mentioning.

The Margery/Tommen relationship is pretty divergent as well, but Tommen himself is a very different character being introduced as a tween with a personality versus simply a cute little kid.
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Pretty much everything with Jon and Bran and the Walkers was a radical departure from the books. Not necessarily a bad thing, depending on where they're going with it, but worth mentioning.

The Margery/Tommen relationship is pretty divergent as well, but Tommen himself is a very different character being introduced as a tween with a personality versus simply a cute little kid.

The scene between Margery and Tommen reminded me a lot of what happened between Ilithyia and Numerius in the first season of Spartacus. Without the nudity (and possibly other stuff... they did mention after that scene how Numerius looked more grown up...), as of yet at least. I imagine in the future she'll use all her abilities on him.
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I'm waiting for the outrage over how in the real world "it's our little secret" is commonly used by child molesters to convince their victims not to tell anyone about what's happening. Where's Laura Hudson when we really need her!
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It's not molestation when it's a young boy and an attractive woman. It's just one lucky boy.
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But, but, but.... Double Standard!
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Double standard or no... I don't mind her weird smirk.
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I'm waiting for the outrage over how in the real world "it's our little secret" is commonly used by child molesters to convince their victims not to tell anyone about what's happening. Where's Laura Hudson when we really need her!
Maybe it's time to accept that you're not the best judge of real world reactions.

There's nothing untoward about a 'secret' in and of itself. Margery kissed the kid on the forehead. If/when it goes further we'll see what kind of outrage it elicits.

Fwiw, in the book-story up til this point, the reader is given no indication of anything of a sexual nature between Margery and Tommen
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I'm waiting for the outrage over how in the real world "it's our little secret" is commonly used by child molesters to convince their victims not to tell anyone about what's happening. Where's Laura Hudson when we really need her!
Maybe it's time to accept that you're not the best judge of real world reactions.

There's nothing untoward about a 'secret' in and of itself. Margery kissed the kid on the forehead. If/when it goes further we'll see what kind of outrage it elicits.

Fwiw, in the book-story up til this point, the reader is given no indication of anything of a sexual nature between Margery and Tommen


thats because at this point in the books Tommen is still like 9ish.
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I'm waiting for the outrage over how in the real world "it's our little secret" is commonly used by child molesters to convince their victims not to tell anyone about what's happening. Where's Laura Hudson when we really need her!
Maybe it's time to accept that you're not the best judge of real world reactions.

There's nothing untoward about a 'secret' in and of itself. Margery kissed the kid on the forehead. If/when it goes further we'll see what kind of outrage it elicits.

Fwiw, in the book-story up til this point, the reader is given no indication of anything of a sexual nature between Margery and Tommen


thats because at this point in the books Tommen is still like 9ish.

I thought he was younger than that. The outrage that gbaji was expecting about 'possible pedophilia' however makes the age difference irrelevant.
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The outrage that gbaji was expecting about 'possible @#%^philia' however makes the age difference irrelevant.


Fun to hate on gbaji and all, but he wasn't expecting any outrage, he was being purposefully obtuse, mocking the article that the last page or two had been discussing, and by extension, Dig.

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Elinda wrote:
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I'm waiting for the outrage over how in the real world "it's our little secret" is commonly used by child molesters to convince their victims not to tell anyone about what's happening. Where's Laura Hudson when we really need her!
Maybe it's time to accept that you're not the best judge of real world reactions.

There's nothing untoward about a 'secret' in and of itself. Margery kissed the kid on the forehead. If/when it goes further we'll see what kind of outrage it elicits.

Fwiw, in the book-story up til this point, the reader is given no indication of anything of a sexual nature between Margery and Tommen


thats because at this point in the books Tommen is still like 9ish.

I thought he was younger than that. The outrage that gbaji was expecting about 'possible @#%^philia' however makes the age difference irrelevant.

He's 6 at the onset of "A Game of Thrones". A few years have gone by in the books by now, though with the recast you would think it was several years.
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The outrage that gbaji was expecting about 'possible @#%^philia' however makes the age difference irrelevant.


Fun to hate on gbaji and all, but he wasn't expecting any outrage, he was being purposefully obtuse, mocking the article that the last page or two had been discussing, and by extension, Dig.


Didn't even think it was that obtuse. Including the name of the woman who wrote the "outrage over rape that isn't being called rape" article should have been a total giveaway.
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Interesting couplings last night: Brienne and Pod. Arya and the Hound. Sansa and Littlefinger.

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gbaji wrote:
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The outrage that gbaji was expecting about 'possible @#%^philia' however makes the age difference irrelevant.


Fun to hate on gbaji and all, but he wasn't expecting any outrage, he was being purposefully obtuse, mocking the article that the last page or two had been discussing, and by extension, Dig.


Didn't even think it was that obtuse. Including the name of the woman who wrote the "outrage over rape that isn't being called rape" article should have been a total giveaway.

Eh, outrage was your word not mine....

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Tirith, I really don't have fun hating on anyone.
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Tirith, I really don't have fun hating on anyone.


Sure you don't. You just complete ignored the obviously mocking nature of the post based on the last two pages of gbaji disagreeing with the way the article and Dig were interpreting the old interview, because gbaji was just so good at pretending to be serious.
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Tirith, I really don't have fun hating on anyone.


Sure you don't. You just complete ignored the obviously mocking nature of the post based on the last two pages of gbaji disagreeing with the way the article and Dig were interpreting the old interview, because gbaji was just so good at pretending to be serious.

gbaji made a comment, I responded.

Maybe I don't know gbaji as well as you - or maybe you're just feeling sorry for the boy after a he got rated down to whatever. Not by my hand btw. Maybe this is your issue and not mine. Imo, his 'mocking' nature is almost always of the same severity as it was in this post and therefore it's what I always respond to. There's truth in jest.

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Pretty tame fifth episode, in my opinion.

Sansa's aunt is batsh*t insane, obviously, but I think I remember calling that out (to myself) back in one of the other seasons due to the weird mother-son thing going on in that place. She's probably not going to last long, either, now that Baelish is married to her.

Biggest wtf moment was when that new Night's Watch guy turned out to be not so nice, and then Hodor just straight up broke his head off. What the **** was the point of that character? Wasn't he introduced just one or two episodes ago? **** shame, too, because I really liked him before he turned out to be another conniving bastard.

The show is in dire need a mature male lead that I can root for. Show would have been much better if Ned Stark had been exiled to the Night's Watch and had taken Jon Snow's story arc instead of the mess they've got going on right now. I want to root for Jon, but he's just so... bland. He completely lacks everything I loved about Sean Bean's character. And that dialect, holy sh*t. I get that the English dialect is supposed to reflect their social status or something, but whenever Jon opens his mouth, I am reminded of every EastEnders episode ever.

Right now, my favorite character is Grandma Tyrell, because she's got a little bit of that "I know how this game is played, so don't @#%^ with me" attitude. And Tyrion, of course, but I'm sure they're going to ruin that soon. Every other character is either so psychotic, whiny, or bland, that I cannot grow attached to them. Even the little Stark girl is getting up there on the crazy scale.

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Pretty tame fifth episode, in my opinion.



Biggest wtf moment was when that new Night's Watch guy turned out to be not so nice, and then Hodor just straight up broke his head off. What the **** was the point of that character? Wasn't he introduced just one or two episodes ago? **** shame, too, because I really liked him before he turned out to be another conniving bastard.[/spoiler]

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Apparently you missed all the previous episodes where he cut off Jaimes hand and Roose Bolton ordered him to go find the young Stark boys and to perhaps murder Jon Snow if he got the chance.

Which wasn't in the books, but made for good tv filler I guess.
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Apparently you missed all the previous episodes where he cut off Jaimes hand and Roose Bolton ordered him to go find the young Stark boys and to perhaps murder Jon Snow if he got the chance.


I didn't realize they were the same person.
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Apparently you missed all the previous episodes where he cut off Jaimes hand and Roose Bolton ordered him to go find the young Stark boys and to perhaps murder Jon Snow if he got the chance.


I didn't realize they were the same person.


He is pretty distinctive appearance-wise, so it's strange that you missed it. Events involving him did overlap the season break though, so that could explain it. I think that character existed in the TV show solely to help lead the audience into the Bolton's betrayal of the Starks. Through him, we learn that the Boltons are more on the fence regarding the conflict than we believed earlier. He ultimately arranges to trade Jamie back to the Lannisters rather than return him to the Starks. This kinda sets up the Red Wedding. Honestly though, I actually missed that said character was from the same Banner Lord as the guy who was wearing the armor under his clothes in the wedding until the second time I watched the season, so even with him there, it wasn't super clear. The connections with these characters were just enough to go "oh! That's why/where/who <something that happened that was confusing at the time>". Similarly, don't know if anyone else noticed, but they refrained from showing the Dreadfort (the Bolton's stronghold) until the credits in season 4, presumably to help hide the whole "training" of Theon. Lots of little details that do work, but you often don't catch until after the fact.

What I found amazing was the reveal about Littlefinger and the implication that he's been manipulating stuff for a lot longer than we thought (or at least I thought). Also kinda explains (a bit), the overly complex poison plot to kill Joffrey. Establishes a pattern of him instigating/providing means for others to kill people that maybe he gains from being dead as well. Still think it's overly complex and dangerous, but it at least goes a bit towards explaining the motivation for the method.


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Pretty embarrassing episode for Jon Snow, beaten by a peasant with a couple of knives when he had a sword, conveniently forgetting how to thrust or cut low in the process.
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Well in Jons defense, the guy (what was his name anyways?) was legendary...legendary! At least in his own words anyways. I found it odd that his daggers were not orange in colour then though....

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Pretty embarrassing episode for Jon Snow, beaten by a peasant with a couple of knives when he had a sword, conveniently forgetting how to thrust or cut low in the process.

I'd call it embarrassing for HBO and/or Kit Harrington. It almost looks like they accidentally aired the practice fight scene they had recorded. BLOOPER!
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Pretty embarrassing episode for Jon Snow, beaten by a peasant with a couple of knives when he had a sword, conveniently forgetting how to thrust or cut low in the process.

I'd call it embarrassing for HBO and/or Kit Harrington. It almost looks like they accidentally aired the practice fight scene they had recorded. BLOOPER!


Yeah. It was a pretty bad fight scene. Several times you could see them like "Ok. I'll put my sword here, you stand like this, and then... Oh wait. Up a bit higher. Make sure both blades are where they'll hit my sword. There. That looks good...". Didn't flow very well. To be fair though, that's a toughish type of fight to choreograph well. Mainly because as a general rule, the guy with the full sized sword wins by keeping the other guy outside his range. He looses (usually quickly) if the guy with the short blades gets inside his range. But the law of movie sword fights requires that they must clutch close together with their blades crossed so they can get some face to face time. Which is *really* hard to realistically justify with the weapon combinations they were using.


Honestly though, anyone who's actually fought using various types of swords just learns to ignore how "wrong" most sword fights are. But yeah, this one was worse than most.
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Full of win....

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This one. I think was the only one worth it.
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Apparently you missed all the previous episodes where he cut off Jaimes hand and Roose Bolton ordered him to go find the young Stark boys and to perhaps murder Jon Snow if he got the chance.


I didn't realize they were the same person.


This. After a season break, I don't know who half the people are, but at least now that character makes sense.
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In the book the text basically goes along the lines of Cersei saying "No, Not here you idiot, the churchpeople will walk in and see us, but oh, hey, since you already started anyways you may as well keep going and it might make you more liekely to go murder a certain short person so what the hell, why not enjoy the ride."


Honestly, maybe I was paying more attention than most (or not as much?), but this is exactly the sense I got from the scene. I got far more of a "not right here and now" than "no, I don't want to". Dunno. I definitely got this being more of a power thing than just sex, but a whole lot of that was about the incredible inappropriateness of the location they were in, and not the act itself.

I guess I just don't make any attempt to equate their relationship and actions with anything remotely near "normal", so it didn't bother me so much. I mean, there were so so many things wrong with that **** scene already...


I don't think he left marks.
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Tyrion rage - I can't decide how authentic and/or believable he was. Dinklage seemed to be over-doing it a bit.

The guy playing Oberyn Martell is growing on me. Mustn't get too attached.
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He's excited about the initial reviews of his new movie.
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I thought the trial scenes played rather well. Dinklage was on the edge of overdoing it, but I think considering the circumstances of the trial that it was appropriate. The fellow playing Martell has been getting better each episode, it's too bad...
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Haha, I totally yelled out loud "trial by combat!" 2/3 of the way through his speech.

I'm interested in seeing who will be participants. Obviously he could pick Jaime like he wanted to last time, but Jaime's half the swordsman now. And then Cersei could pick Bronn because she's found out they've been sparring and Bronn knows how to beat him. Or he could pick Bronn and Jaime would be compelled to fight for Cersei, even though he doesn't want to. Oberyn Martell an obvious potential candidate for either side as well. Maybe Tywin calls in the Mountain to fight for Cersei's side. Or all my ideas could go out the window and Tywin could implement some crazy cunning scheme he cooks up.


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Haha, I totally yelled out loud "trial by combat!" 2/3 of the way through his speech.

I'm interested in seeing who will be participants. Obviously he could pick Jaime like he wanted to last time, but Jaime's half the swordsman now. And then Cersei could pick Bronn because she's found out they've been sparring and Bronn knows how to beat him. Or he could pick Bronn and Jaime would be compelled to fight for Cersei, even though he doesn't want to. Oberyn Martell an obvious potential candidate for either side as well. Maybe Tywin calls in the Mountain to fight for Cersei's side. Or all my ideas could go out the window and Tywin could implement some crazy cunning scheme he cooks up.


Edited, May 14th 2014 7:14pm by trickybeck

Hopefully the trail-by-combat will stay true to the books. It was good.
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#101 May 19 2014 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
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Last night was pretty actionless until Lysa went flying. Even the Dany <3 Daario command and conquer **** scene was left up to the imagination.

The stories of childhood sibling abuse were pretty touching though. Oberyn's story of disappointment to Tyrion and the Hound's irrational fear of fire origins told to Arya.

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