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#1 Aug 24 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
Will Ben Affleck be a good Batman?
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Me? I think it really depends on the material. I'm thinking since this is the followup to Man of Steel, it's going to be Superman focused with BVatman as the "bad" guy (until the "misunderstanding" is cleared up & they team up to take down the real bad guy). I think Ben can do it, he's got the chops, I just don't think Snyder can do justice to The Dark Knight Returns if he makes it Superman-centric & drops, ya know, the whole point of TDKR - An older Batman returns to fight crime 10 years after crime fighting was made illegal (except for Superman, who's Reagan's lapdog), his villains also return (essentially because he does), setting up a "final" fight between Batman & Superman after Bats wraps up his final confrontation with the Joker.
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#2 Aug 24 2013 at 6:24 PM Rating: Default
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#3 Aug 24 2013 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think she'd fit that thing in that tight suit.
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#4 Aug 24 2013 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
This whole "He can't be Batman" is pointless. There is no reason he couldn't do a good job. People freaked out when Heath Ledger was selected for the Joker way back when, too.
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#5 Aug 24 2013 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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People freaked out when Heath Ledger was selected for the Joker way back when, too.
This.

Anyway, I hope this Batman is closer to the World's Greatest Detective than Bale's was.
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#6 Aug 24 2013 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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I wanted to post this Smiley: frown

I can't really think of any pro or con to Ben Affleck as Batman. Joss Whedon endorsed him, so I guess that's something. Keaton was horrible, but he was attached to a half-way decent scripts for the time, Kilmer might have done it but he got stuck with the descent of that period's string of movies, and George Clooney was probably the worst of the lot just on face value, and it didn't help his movies had the worst scripts to boot. Don't get me wrong, I liked Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou?, but holy crap were those Batman movies awful. Just ... just awful. Ice still trying to forget those abominations. I kind of liked Bale as the Bat, I admit. Ledger was a good villain and I'd have probably liked his performance more if that villain wasn't Joker. Though, in his defense at least he wasn't Bane.

I like Batman, so that kind of makes me want to see it, but I dislike Superman, and that makes me not want to watch it. I guess it'll come down to whoever the movie focuses on more to be the deciding factor. That, and I'm kind of hoping they move away from the "realistic super hero movie" trend.
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#7 Aug 24 2013 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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I can't really think of any con to Ben Affleck as Batman.


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#8 Aug 25 2013 at 4:03 AM Rating: Good
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Keaton was horrible, but he was attached to a half-way decent scripts for the time, Kilmer might have done it but he got stuck with the descent of that period's string of movies, and George Clooney was probably the worst of the lot just on face value, and it didn't help his movies had the worst scripts to boot. Don't get me wrong, I liked Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou?, but holy crap were those Batman movies awful. Just ... just awful.

Keaton wasn't a very good Batman but the movies themselves were decent so it mostly balanced. Kilmer was sort of a middle ground. He's was a OK Batman in a OK movie. Not great, but not bad. Clooney made a good Batman but the movie itself was so god awful that the best actor on earth couldn't have saved it.


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That, and I'm kind of hoping they move away from the "realistic super hero movie" trend.

Yeah. Especially when it comes to Superman. Man of Steel was so very dark and brooding and grey. That may be fine if you're Batman or Wolverine or something, but Superman? No. The whole point of Superman is that he's bright and vivid and shining in the sun. All the dark and grey in Man of Steel just felt off.

The Avengers felt like a superhero comic, Man of Steel felt like a generic sci-fi action movie that happened to star Superman.
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#9 Aug 25 2013 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Problem for me is I don't like Affleck as an actor per se. As a director he shines but before the camera... Meh.
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#10 Aug 25 2013 at 6:31 AM Rating: Good
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I can't really think of any con to Ben Affleck as Batman.


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I'm not sure enough of that can be attributed to him, though. I thought he was one of the better parts of the movie. Not saying much, but still. It was so poorly written. Aflek didn't bring much, but he didn't really take it away either.

And if the idea is that this is a Batman who isn't starring in his own film, and might need to go full justice league, a slightly less-present Batman might not be so bad. Think of how easily the Avengers could have sucked. And without the character balances of Bruce and Nat, it would have.

Well, we'll see.
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I'd rather watch Keaton again than a crapfest like the last movie. At least Keaton was entertaining and the movie fun to watch.
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#12 Aug 25 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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Far be it from me to defend Daredevil, but Affleck wasn't what ruined that flick. I thought he did a decent job, but the combination of a very bad script, bad special effects, cheesy scenes (sparring with Elektra on the playground comes to mind), & terrible acting (I'm looking at you Michael Clark Duncan & Colin Farrell) made for overall a bad movie. Affleck in the deprivation tank was kinda cool & gives me hope that he can bring some of that "beat up tortured soul"-ness to his Batman - ESPECIALLY if they're going for some semblance of The Dark Knight Returns.
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#13 Aug 25 2013 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Supposedly the Daredevil Director's Cut is a halfway OK movie. I haven't seen it for myself, but that's what I've been told.
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#14 Aug 25 2013 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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It's certainly better than the theatrical version, but it still contains the playground scene, unfortunately. Upside is it fleshes out his origin a bit, the relationship with his father, his Catholicism, & the best thing it does is reduce Elektra to a supporting character. Also, its rated R, so the fights are longer & bloodier.

Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor. Colin Farrel is a good actor, but he seemed to phone this one in.
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#15 Aug 25 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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It's certainly better than the theatrical version, but it still contains the playground scene, unfortunately. Upside is it fleshes out his origin a bit, the relationship with his father, his Catholicism, & the best thing it does is reduce Elektra to a supporting character. Also, its rated R, so the fights are longer & bloodier.

Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor. Colin Farrel is a good actor, but he seemed to phone this one in.


I don't mind Elektra. I mind the way they wrote Elektra.

And yeah, at no point did Kingpin strike me as someone who could rule all the organized crime in the city. Big muscles is not a big brain. I haven't seen enough of Farrel to rule on him, but that was a terrible performance. But how many lines did he even have? It was pathetic. He only existed as a mechanism to get Daredevil to the Kingpin, and it showed. Painfully.

The movie had some scenes that were fine. But they were typically ruined by cinematography and editing that just weren't quite good enough. The cafe scene, for instance. That was a good scene, from a writing perspective. But it just wasn't well edited or shot. Well, scratch out the horrible "I smell perfume" bit. The rest was good.

But writing? It does a lot to establish his character - quietly playful - it shows his tactical ability. The mustard bit promises some comedic relief in either outcome. It breaks the awkward "Oh yeah, I'm blind" ice that had to come eventually, and does it quickly, awkwardly, humorously, and then lets it go so we can move on. And both Aflek and Garner's acting was perfectly acceptable for the situation for most of it.

Of course, they followed it with the playground scene that made no sense, established no ones characters, and was all around confusing...

But the rest of the movie? The father/daughter stuff that was shoe-horned in, the random blame-Daredevil stuff, wondering how Kingpin ever actually fits in, the weird flash romance... They were too hesitant to take the long view of things in the movie, and they shouldn't have been. You're already telling his origin through flashbacks. We don't need to see the romance between them blossom. Give us the cafe scene in a flashback, and then flash back to the present, in the future, where you've been investigating her father for months or something.
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Really, I just want my superhero movies to be fun. They can have character development or conflict or whatever but, at the end of the day, they should be entertainment. The last few Batman movies have failed in that regard. No part of the last movie was really fun. And it failed as a message piece or drama or making me feel for anyone. If I want to watch a drama about conflicted decisions and pained souls, I'm sure Sophie's Choice is available on Netflix.

Even the Joker flick was meh. Yeah, Ledger had some good lines and did a decent performance but the movie itself was pretty ridiculous (and not in a good way) and marred with basic errors. That matters less when you're having fun watching it but having fun was obviously never the intent of the director or producer. I was supposed to feel Batman. I didn't. I know comic fans want to go on about how deep and sh*t the books are but it just doesn't come through on the screen. The first of the recent trilogy, I don't remember a single scene from that's how memorable and impactful it was.

Iroman was fun. The first couple Spiderman movies were fun (the third wasn't and the reboot was a dud). ****, Keaton's Batman was fun. Give me comic book movies that are entertaining rather than ones aspiring to make a guy in a silly costume and grappling hook gun into high drama.

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I don't bother much anymore with films I expect to be more mindless entertainment, so I was happy with them. But given how well Fast and Furious movies seem to be doing, I'm sure I'm not the primary position in that area.

Though I also tend to engage media for the characters and the story. And you generally get richer versions in the drama stuff. I've never been into Superman, because the character didn't interest me. I find it more interesting to watch the directors see how far they can bend the characters before the break than I do to watch them blow stuff up.

But I still like superheroes, so it's win-win for me. Smiley: grin
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I have no issue with "films" being more than mindless entertainment. I don't even care if superhero films are more than mindless entertainment. I'm more worried about the fact that "entertainment" has been getting completely thrown out the window for cut-rate high school level 'drama' that's completely ineffective.
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Agreed. I was missing a fun factor in the recent Batman movies (and Superman too.) Batman sneaking up on a guy in the dark may be cool, but it's not fun in the same sort of way as watching Iron Man punching a robot in the face.
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/shrug, I enjoyed both.

I went into the Batman movies with higher expectations than the Iron Man movies, and liked them more (though I haven't seen IM3 yet).

But if it comes down to the characters, I like Stark more than Wayne.

To each their own and all that. I imagine the genre will be a lot healthier having both types of films.
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Far be it from me to defend Daredevil, but Affleck wasn't what ruined that flick.
Yeah, that's how I feel about it. Daredevil was a horrible movie, but Affleck was hardly to blame for it. I thought he made for a passable Matt Murdock. Kind of like with Reynolds in the Green Lantern movie.

I'm okay with changing aspects of a character to fit a movie, since condensing decades of comic book lore into two hours is next to impossible, but even I couldn't get passed the whole "Young Murdock magically turns into a ninja and totally understands everything about what happened to him in an instant" aspect. Would it really have killed them to introduce a short lived Miyagi character during the early life montage? Also the whole circumstance leading up to the accident was horrible. Originally he gets blinded because he's saving an old blind guy, but here it's just a random accident, and then he saves Stan Lee which doesn't really amount to much as far as the story is concerned.

One thing about the movie I did like was how a lot of the named characters were named after Marvel staff, like Romita and Quesada. Just one of those little Easter Egg touches.

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#22 Aug 26 2013 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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We'll have to wait and see. I mean, I figure he'll at least be better than either Clooney or Kilmer. Especially Clooney, that movie was terrible.
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Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor.


Past tense. MCD died in 2012.

Edit: Also, you should watch The Green Mile.

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I think he will. He's a good actor though not too serious. He's handsome, but not in a superman kind of way.

But here's the thing, he has a nice wide square jaw. C. Bales skinny little chin looked horrible in the bat man mask.
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#25 Aug 27 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Seen it {the books were better), still don't think he was very good in it. He was more Kingpin like in The Slammin' Salmon than he was in Daredevil.
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I think he will. He's a good actor though not too serious. He's handsome, but not in a superman kind of way.

But here's the thing, he has a nice wide square jaw.


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And a well-rounded chin.
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