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#1 Aug 24 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
Will Ben Affleck be a good Batman?
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Me? I think it really depends on the material. I'm thinking since this is the followup to Man of Steel, it's going to be Superman focused with BVatman as the "bad" guy (until the "misunderstanding" is cleared up & they team up to take down the real bad guy). I think Ben can do it, he's got the chops, I just don't think Snyder can do justice to The Dark Knight Returns if he makes it Superman-centric & drops, ya know, the whole point of TDKR - An older Batman returns to fight crime 10 years after crime fighting was made illegal (except for Superman, who's Reagan's lapdog), his villains also return (essentially because he does), setting up a "final" fight between Batman & Superman after Bats wraps up his final confrontation with the Joker.
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#2 Aug 24 2013 at 6:24 PM Rating: Default
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I'm looking forward in seeing J-Lo as Catwoman in the second film! Bennifer Returns!
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#3 Aug 24 2013 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think she'd fit that thing in that tight suit.
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#4 Aug 24 2013 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
This whole "He can't be Batman" is pointless. There is no reason he couldn't do a good job. People freaked out when Heath Ledger was selected for the Joker way back when, too.
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People freaked out when Heath Ledger was selected for the Joker way back when, too.
This.

Anyway, I hope this Batman is closer to the World's Greatest Detective than Bale's was.
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I can't really think of any pro or con to Ben Affleck as Batman. Joss Whedon endorsed him, so I guess that's something. Keaton was horrible, but he was attached to a half-way decent scripts for the time, Kilmer might have done it but he got stuck with the descent of that period's string of movies, and George Clooney was probably the worst of the lot just on face value, and it didn't help his movies had the worst scripts to boot. Don't get me wrong, I liked Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou?, but holy crap were those Batman movies awful. Just ... just awful. Ice still trying to forget those abominations. I kind of liked Bale as the Bat, I admit. Ledger was a good villain and I'd have probably liked his performance more if that villain wasn't Joker. Though, in his defense at least he wasn't Bane.

I like Batman, so that kind of makes me want to see it, but I dislike Superman, and that makes me not want to watch it. I guess it'll come down to whoever the movie focuses on more to be the deciding factor. That, and I'm kind of hoping they move away from the "realistic super hero movie" trend.
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#7 Aug 24 2013 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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I can't really think of any con to Ben Affleck as Batman.


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#8 Aug 25 2013 at 4:03 AM Rating: Good
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Keaton was horrible, but he was attached to a half-way decent scripts for the time, Kilmer might have done it but he got stuck with the descent of that period's string of movies, and George Clooney was probably the worst of the lot just on face value, and it didn't help his movies had the worst scripts to boot. Don't get me wrong, I liked Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou?, but holy crap were those Batman movies awful. Just ... just awful.

Keaton wasn't a very good Batman but the movies themselves were decent so it mostly balanced. Kilmer was sort of a middle ground. He's was a OK Batman in a OK movie. Not great, but not bad. Clooney made a good Batman but the movie itself was so god awful that the best actor on earth couldn't have saved it.


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That, and I'm kind of hoping they move away from the "realistic super hero movie" trend.

Yeah. Especially when it comes to Superman. Man of Steel was so very dark and brooding and grey. That may be fine if you're Batman or Wolverine or something, but Superman? No. The whole point of Superman is that he's bright and vivid and shining in the sun. All the dark and grey in Man of Steel just felt off.

The Avengers felt like a superhero comic, Man of Steel felt like a generic sci-fi action movie that happened to star Superman.
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#9 Aug 25 2013 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Problem for me is I don't like Affleck as an actor per se. As a director he shines but before the camera... Meh.
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I can't really think of any con to Ben Affleck as Batman.


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I'm not sure enough of that can be attributed to him, though. I thought he was one of the better parts of the movie. Not saying much, but still. It was so poorly written. Aflek didn't bring much, but he didn't really take it away either.

And if the idea is that this is a Batman who isn't starring in his own film, and might need to go full justice league, a slightly less-present Batman might not be so bad. Think of how easily the Avengers could have sucked. And without the character balances of Bruce and Nat, it would have.

Well, we'll see.
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I'd rather watch Keaton again than a crapfest like the last movie. At least Keaton was entertaining and the movie fun to watch.
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#12 Aug 25 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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Far be it from me to defend Daredevil, but Affleck wasn't what ruined that flick. I thought he did a decent job, but the combination of a very bad script, bad special effects, cheesy scenes (sparring with Elektra on the playground comes to mind), & terrible acting (I'm looking at you Michael Clark Duncan & Colin Farrell) made for overall a bad movie. Affleck in the deprivation tank was kinda cool & gives me hope that he can bring some of that "beat up tortured soul"-ness to his Batman - ESPECIALLY if they're going for some semblance of The Dark Knight Returns.
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#13 Aug 25 2013 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Supposedly the Daredevil Director's Cut is a halfway OK movie. I haven't seen it for myself, but that's what I've been told.
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It's certainly better than the theatrical version, but it still contains the playground scene, unfortunately. Upside is it fleshes out his origin a bit, the relationship with his father, his Catholicism, & the best thing it does is reduce Elektra to a supporting character. Also, its rated R, so the fights are longer & bloodier.

Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor. Colin Farrel is a good actor, but he seemed to phone this one in.
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#15 Aug 25 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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It's certainly better than the theatrical version, but it still contains the playground scene, unfortunately. Upside is it fleshes out his origin a bit, the relationship with his father, his Catholicism, & the best thing it does is reduce Elektra to a supporting character. Also, its rated R, so the fights are longer & bloodier.

Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor. Colin Farrel is a good actor, but he seemed to phone this one in.


I don't mind Elektra. I mind the way they wrote Elektra.

And yeah, at no point did Kingpin strike me as someone who could rule all the organized crime in the city. Big muscles is not a big brain. I haven't seen enough of Farrel to rule on him, but that was a terrible performance. But how many lines did he even have? It was pathetic. He only existed as a mechanism to get Daredevil to the Kingpin, and it showed. Painfully.

The movie had some scenes that were fine. But they were typically ruined by cinematography and editing that just weren't quite good enough. The cafe scene, for instance. That was a good scene, from a writing perspective. But it just wasn't well edited or shot. Well, scratch out the horrible "I smell perfume" bit. The rest was good.

But writing? It does a lot to establish his character - quietly playful - it shows his tactical ability. The mustard bit promises some comedic relief in either outcome. It breaks the awkward "Oh yeah, I'm blind" ice that had to come eventually, and does it quickly, awkwardly, humorously, and then lets it go so we can move on. And both Aflek and Garner's acting was perfectly acceptable for the situation for most of it.

Of course, they followed it with the playground scene that made no sense, established no ones characters, and was all around confusing...

But the rest of the movie? The father/daughter stuff that was shoe-horned in, the random blame-Daredevil stuff, wondering how Kingpin ever actually fits in, the weird flash romance... They were too hesitant to take the long view of things in the movie, and they shouldn't have been. You're already telling his origin through flashbacks. We don't need to see the romance between them blossom. Give us the cafe scene in a flashback, and then flash back to the present, in the future, where you've been investigating her father for months or something.
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Really, I just want my superhero movies to be fun. They can have character development or conflict or whatever but, at the end of the day, they should be entertainment. The last few Batman movies have failed in that regard. No part of the last movie was really fun. And it failed as a message piece or drama or making me feel for anyone. If I want to watch a drama about conflicted decisions and pained souls, I'm sure Sophie's Choice is available on Netflix.

Even the Joker flick was meh. Yeah, Ledger had some good lines and did a decent performance but the movie itself was pretty ridiculous (and not in a good way) and marred with basic errors. That matters less when you're having fun watching it but having fun was obviously never the intent of the director or producer. I was supposed to feel Batman. I didn't. I know comic fans want to go on about how deep and sh*t the books are but it just doesn't come through on the screen. The first of the recent trilogy, I don't remember a single scene from that's how memorable and impactful it was.

Iroman was fun. The first couple Spiderman movies were fun (the third wasn't and the reboot was a dud). ****, Keaton's Batman was fun. Give me comic book movies that are entertaining rather than ones aspiring to make a guy in a silly costume and grappling hook gun into high drama.

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I don't bother much anymore with films I expect to be more mindless entertainment, so I was happy with them. But given how well Fast and Furious movies seem to be doing, I'm sure I'm not the primary position in that area.

Though I also tend to engage media for the characters and the story. And you generally get richer versions in the drama stuff. I've never been into Superman, because the character didn't interest me. I find it more interesting to watch the directors see how far they can bend the characters before the break than I do to watch them blow stuff up.

But I still like superheroes, so it's win-win for me. Smiley: grin
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I have no issue with "films" being more than mindless entertainment. I don't even care if superhero films are more than mindless entertainment. I'm more worried about the fact that "entertainment" has been getting completely thrown out the window for cut-rate high school level 'drama' that's completely ineffective.
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Agreed. I was missing a fun factor in the recent Batman movies (and Superman too.) Batman sneaking up on a guy in the dark may be cool, but it's not fun in the same sort of way as watching Iron Man punching a robot in the face.
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#20 Aug 25 2013 at 4:13 PM Rating: Good
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/shrug, I enjoyed both.

I went into the Batman movies with higher expectations than the Iron Man movies, and liked them more (though I haven't seen IM3 yet).

But if it comes down to the characters, I like Stark more than Wayne.

To each their own and all that. I imagine the genre will be a lot healthier having both types of films.
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Far be it from me to defend Daredevil, but Affleck wasn't what ruined that flick.
Yeah, that's how I feel about it. Daredevil was a horrible movie, but Affleck was hardly to blame for it. I thought he made for a passable Matt Murdock. Kind of like with Reynolds in the Green Lantern movie.

I'm okay with changing aspects of a character to fit a movie, since condensing decades of comic book lore into two hours is next to impossible, but even I couldn't get passed the whole "Young Murdock magically turns into a ninja and totally understands everything about what happened to him in an instant" aspect. Would it really have killed them to introduce a short lived Miyagi character during the early life montage? Also the whole circumstance leading up to the accident was horrible. Originally he gets blinded because he's saving an old blind guy, but here it's just a random accident, and then he saves Stan Lee which doesn't really amount to much as far as the story is concerned.

One thing about the movie I did like was how a lot of the named characters were named after Marvel staff, like Romita and Quesada. Just one of those little Easter Egg touches.

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#22 Aug 26 2013 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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We'll have to wait and see. I mean, I figure he'll at least be better than either Clooney or Kilmer. Especially Clooney, that movie was terrible.
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Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor.


Past tense. MCD died in 2012.

Edit: Also, you should watch The Green Mile.

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I think he will. He's a good actor though not too serious. He's handsome, but not in a superman kind of way.

But here's the thing, he has a nice wide square jaw. C. Bales skinny little chin looked horrible in the bat man mask.
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Seen it {the books were better), still don't think he was very good in it. He was more Kingpin like in The Slammin' Salmon than he was in Daredevil.
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But here's the thing, he has a nice wide square jaw.


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Kingpin still sucks though. Sorry Michael Clark Duncan, while physically imposing he's not a very good actor.


Past tense. MCD died in 2012.
Being dead doesn't preclude someone from being a poor actor, unless his portrayal is that of a corpse, in which case he might be very good.

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Yeah, that's how I feel about it. Daredevil was a horrible movie, but Affleck was hardly to blame for it. I thought he made for a passable Matt Murdock.


Gonna second (third/fourth?) this. I actually thought he did a very good job with the character. He more or less nailed the character and mannerisms of Matt Murdock. Also the interaction between him and Foggy was great. Unfortunately the rest of the film was loaded up with poor scenes, inconsistent cinematography, a weak plot, and questionable character performances. I agree that the playground scene was not only silly (why would he risk exposing himself and his abilities to some random person he just met in such a public place?), but also more or less stepped on any "reveal" they could have had later. It would have been a much more powerful scene between him and Elecktra if neither of them knew that the other was some kind of master fighter ahead of time. I really suspect that someone with pull in the production just had a hard-on for the scene and insisted on it even when it made no sense, broke the pace of the film badly, and served no actual purpose to the plot at all.

Speaking of, the treatment of the Elektra character was just wrong all the way around. Same deal with the Kingpin. I think they could have pulled both off and even with the actors they chose, but the writing was just awful. It didn't help at all that the plot holding the whole thing together was weak as **** though. Even good actors can only do so much with the material they're given. I can only imagine there was a whole bunch of "Wait? So why is my character doing this again?" going on during shooting of that film.

And yeah. The directors cut is much better. It goes into more detail about Murdock's past and relationship to Kingpin. It provides more details about the reasons behind the fallout between Kingpin and Natchios (which, you know, is somewhat critical to the whole plot). And it much better explains how Murdock gets dragged into the whole thing in the first place (IIRC, the theatrical release completely cut out the ongoing case/investigation he was working on which was leading him to the Kingpin).


So... I don't have any issues with Affleck in terms of his ability to do the role of Batman. As several people have pointed out, it's going to depend far more on the writing in plot of the film itself. Unfortunately, we have seen some real stinkers in the Batman franchise. I'm kinda with Joph on this one. I can enjoy a semi-mindless action flick if it's clearly set out to be a semi-mindless action flick. But if you try to put in more complex elements and drama and whatnot, you really need to put enough effort and skill in place to do it right. It does seem as though some film makers think "we've got to have drama and plot twists", but instead of actually building their story around those things, they just kinda tuck them in around the edges to give the impression of having them. Which I think comes off *worse*.

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Batman & Robin was mindless & fun. I understand George Clooney keeps a poster from it in his office to remind him what not to do for money.
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Marilyn Monroe was hot.
John Wayne was a good actor.
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Past tense, because they are all things of the past. Michael Clarke Duncan was an actor. He is no longer an actor - he is a corpse. While the definition of subject and object still appears to be a hot topic in philosophy, I believe most people would agree that a corpse is a prop, not an actor, if featured in a play/movie, so even if his corpse did partake in a production, Michael Clarke Duncan would no longer be an actor.

It's your language and all, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. Smiley: tongue
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It's funny watching interviews with anyone involved with that film, because you can see them cringe the moment a question about it comes up. Smiley: lol
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Good god, that movie is awesome.
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Last Action Hero, right?
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#38 Aug 28 2013 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
Aflec would not be terrible as the old semi broken Batman that is in Dark Knight Returns. Miller made both the bat and super boy as pretty flawed in the graphic novel.

I don't see him as a Batman legacy over several movies however. Miller's work although compelling always seemed like an alternate spin off to me that was entertaining but hardly canon.

Son's of the Bat were cool though. I dressed as one for Halloween once in the 90's and went to an artsy party. No one got it at all except for one guy. Instant bro.
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#41 Aug 29 2013 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Channel Breaking Bad instead. Tightly white's will still be included.
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Blah, he'd still make a good Lex. My apologies.
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Tyler Hoechlin as Batman just seems... wrong.

For one, he just strikes me as way too young. I think he's decent enough as an actor, but I can't see him doing Batman.

I guess the other part of this equation is that this is a Batman that's going to be a supporting actor for Superman, and going into a Justice League movie. So they probably need someone who has a higher capacity for making a group dynamic work than one who can sell Batman on their own.

I don't see Bale, for instance, really working the group thing. But Afleck tends to do a decent job as a supporting lead.
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