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#1 May 31 2013 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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Directed by M. Night
Story Idea from Will Smith
Staring Will Smith and his son Jaden Smith

Recipe for success!

I haven't seen it (Though, it opened tonight, right?) The only reason I'm posting this is because I was reading the Amazon gaming forums and spotted this little exchange:

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I don't like Will Smith so I agree, but I think it's funny that humans have been gone from Earth for over 1000 years, yet Smith says that everything on the planet has evolved to specifically kill humans.


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Well of course. They're preparing. It's evolutions way of staring at you from across the room, sharpening a knife.


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I can't convince my dog that I won't be gone forever when I go to the mailbox, and these animals spent 1000 years honing their human killing skills in the off chance that the Fresh Prince would bring his kid back to Earth.
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I've read that it's a Scientology propaganda movie, but I haven't looked into it except for the initial rumors.
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#3 May 31 2013 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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So far it's got a 13% Rotten rating on RT, so it's probably not going to convert that many people.
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I've read that it's a Scientology propaganda movie, but I haven't looked into it except for the initial rumors.


My knowledge of Scientology consists of that one episode of South Park.
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#5 Jun 01 2013 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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I'll probably see it. Then again, I'm actually kinda excited about - God help me - Pacific Rim, so I can't say I'm the barometer for whether a movie is worth watching.
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Pacific Rim at least looks like it'll be bad in a hilarious, over the top manner.
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Pacific Rim looks to be the best Transformers movie since the cartoon.
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#8 Jun 02 2013 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
I so have missed out on how people find Pacific Rim to even look good. I guess to much anime with big Robots controlled by a human fighting a giant monster(s) has ruined any chance that I would pay to see this movie. I guy I work will however joes to the idea and just can't wait...

I didn't realize After Earth was a M. Night Shalalababaaba movie until just a few hours ago. his track record kind of blows...
So if/when some of you see it, give your honest opinion on it. The concept story/idea seems neat, until you hear that line...
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humans have been gone from Earth for over 1000 years, yet Smith says that everything on the planet has evolved to specifically kill humans.

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Even ignoring the "evolved around something not on the planet" angle, a thousand years for the planet's life to dramatically evolve? What does Smith think Earth's fauna looked like in 1013 AD?
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#10 Jun 02 2013 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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It may actually be the worst concept for a sci-fi movie I've ever heard. It's actually somewhat insulting...
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Even ignoring the "evolved around something not on the planet" angle, a thousand years for the planet's life to dramatically evolve? What does Smith think Earth's fauna looked like in 1013 AD?


Apparently, Planet of the apes,. but the apes all got into competitive weight lifting and steroid abuse, so now they're all @#%^s. Also, there might be a Pterodactyl or two, at least from the previews. I'm guessing scientologist Cretaceous park with bonus mammals went wrong!
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Jophiel wrote:
Even ignoring the "evolved around something not on the planet" angle, a thousand years for the planet's life to dramatically evolve? What does Smith think Earth's fauna looked like in 1013 AD?


There's a small difference, though. Humans had been around for quite some time in 1013 AD. If humans had not existed on this planet prior to 1013 AD, I'm pretty sure the fauna would have looked a lot more primal. Also, in the movie we apparently broke the climate and left Earth with some terrible mood swings. Drastic climate changes creates drastic fauna changes.

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Apparently, Planet of the apes,. but the apes all got into competitive weight lifting and steroid abuse, so now they're all @#%^s. Also, there might be a Pterodactyl or two, at least from the previews. I'm guessing scientologist Cretaceous park with bonus mammals went wrong!


Not sure where you're getting the steroid monkeys from. The trailers show baboons (which are monkeys, by the way, not apes) chasing Jaden's character. They don't look particularly oversized to me. The flying animal you see is a condor, which has a pretty impressive wingspan.

Movie looks meh, but the hate on M. Night makes for hilarious reading. People really don't like that guy, huh?

Edit: From what I can tell, having watched the trailers, there's nothing supernatural or alien-y about Earth in 3013. It just looks like Mother Nature took over after we dumped the planet for a new solar system. The only alien-y creature in the movie, from what I've read, is one the humans bring with them. It's not like humans left the planet for a thousand years and, boom, Earth turned into Pandora.

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condor, pterodactyl, feathers, no feathers, same thing. Also I was pasing that comment on the 20 seconds of the preview I remember seeing 2 weeks ago.
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Some review was saying that there were aliens that fed on fear or something. Idk, I wasn't that interested in the first place. Was mostly just interested to see if they'd claim it had any redeeming qualities (spoiler: it didn't).

I just don't get why they chose 1,000. Why not tell a similar story, but extend the timeline to something slightly less absurd, and add something as a catalyst for evolution relevant to creating massive, murderous beasts (like a virus that vastly increased the rates of mutations but made the infected creatures far more resilient).

Is it still absurd? Yeah. Is it easier to suspend disbelief? Yeah. Does it make the movie more worth watching? Probably not.

It's also less driven by Scientologist doctrine. So there's that.
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I just don't get why they chose 1,000. Why not tell a similar story, but extend the timeline to something slightly less absurd, and add something as a catalyst for evolution relevant to creating massive, murderous beasts (like a virus that vastly increased the rates of mutations but made the infected creatures far more resilient).


Like Kao's ability to mistype causes him to program the flight controls for a drone he was building wrong. which causes it to crash into a nearby chemical plant. The resulting compound created from the massive spill turns out to remove the natural genetic and pheromonal blocks that prevents one species from breeding with another, causing all plants, animals, and insects in the chemical cloud's path to break out into a giant orgy.

Ten years later the ruins of Oregon are ruled by creatures such as these:

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Some review was saying that there were aliens that fed on fear or something.


Ursas, yeah. They don't live on Earth, though. Humans brought one with them on the spaceship.

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I just don't get why they chose 1,000. Why not tell a similar story, but extend the timeline to something slightly less absurd, and add something as a catalyst for evolution relevant to creating massive, murderous beasts (like a virus that vastly increased the rates of mutations but made the infected creatures far more resilient).


Why not a thousand years? It's short enough that humans and their tech wouldn't have evolved notably, but long enough to make a drastic fauna change believable. Again, I'm not sure which trailers you've been watching, but there aren't any huge mutated monsters on the planet. There are baboons, a tiger and a condor in the trailers I've seen.

Baboon: Chacma baboons can get up to 4 feet long and weigh up to 40 lbs.
Condor: Andean condor can get a wingspan of up to 10 feet and weigh up to 30 lbs.
Tiger: Something like 11 feet long and almost 700 lbs heavy.

What's with the Scientology thing, by the way? Am I missing some Illuminati symbolism or something?
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That article is silly.
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Mazra's a Scientologist, trying to down play the ties...
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The whole concept of the movie is just frickin' weird.

They have this culture that fears the progress of science, yet are actively living in a scientifically advanced society, fighting a race of aliens they've never even seen. The genetically engineered human killers randomly aren't... tailored to kill humans at all. Why the hell would you engineer a killing machine that had one sense? And one, moreover, that required it to be triggered by an environmental factor to even apply?

How the hell did the humans even fight off the alien force when, apparently, the aliens were only sending drones? They were taking literally no losses from their "defeats." Why wouldn't they just up the number of drones they sent? Instead, they genetically engineer a creature (so poorly) specifically to hunt down the humans. And even if you DID bother with that, why the hell wouldn't you supplement it with other military tactics?

And, in all of this, there's never any motive, any knowledge of where they or their civilization reside, no clash of cultures.

Not to mention the fact that it was something like 150 years after the humans got to their new planet that they were attacked. And that only half of the 750,000 refuges even survived.

And that they flee earth 60 years from now, because they've rendered it literally uninhabitable, to the point where only .01% of the world's population even survives (assuming a stagnant 7 billion until the 2070s). Yet they somehow had the resources and infrastructure remaining to build 6 massive carriers to transports all survivors to a new planet. And the warp drive was built in 2012, but instead of doing something intelligent like mining asteroids and dumping waste into space, they just... continued to destroy the planet? Not to mention the construction time for building these massive ships. They couldn't have done anything to save those people? Like... using domes on cities and dedicated farm land? If you can create ships that can house and feed 750000 people over the course of 10 years, you can do that. You can at least manage it as a temporary solution so you don't watch over 6 billion people die for no reason.

And they invent this religion that's against scientific advancement. While on starships. Traveling via warp engines. To a new planet.

Right.
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that jerk that broke into my old appartment a few years ago while I was still there and I ended up tossiing out the door at knifepoint after I stole his drivers license (still have a picture of it too!) claimed he was a scientologist. Between that, and Elron Huburp being amongst the sh*ttiest of sci-fi writers of all time, second only to Kevin J. "I can't write my way out of a @#%^ing paper bag also standard time parts suck" Anderson (also a scientologist) in complete and utter craptitude, I really really dislike scientologists. Go Xenu!

Edit: also, this explains some of the movie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Whitta
"His latest screenwriting work is the script of the Sci-Fi movie After Earth starring Will Smith."
" Perhaps his best known contributions have been as a writer for Duke Nukem Forever"


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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And they invent this religion that's against scientific advancement. While on starships. Traveling via warp engines. To a new planet.


Makes sense to me.
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There's a small difference, though. Humans had been around for quite some time in 1013 AD. If humans had not existed on this planet prior to 1013 AD, I'm pretty sure the fauna would have looked a lot more primal.

Perhaps but the fact is that we were here and so, when we leave, we're leaving the earth in the hands of dogs and lions and sloths, not dire wolves, sabertooth cats and megatherium.

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No it doesn't. Not instantly (which is what 1,000 years is in evolutionary scales). Drastic climate changes would create massive fauna die-offs. Stuff that could handle the shifts would fill the available niches but they wouldn't drastically change in structure over a mere thousand years. There would just be more of them.
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Mazra wrote:
Movie looks meh, but the hate on M. Night makes for hilarious reading. People really don't like that guy, huh?
It's hard to like a one-trick pony when his trick is twist endings. Not much of a twist when you're expecting it, you know?
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And they invent this religion that's against scientific advancement. While on starships. Traveling via warp engines. To a new planet.


Makes sense to me.


Thank god that wasn't a TVTropes link. I'm at work...
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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And they invent this religion that's against scientific advancement. While on starships. Traveling via warp engines. To a new planet.


Makes sense to me.
Thank god that wasn't a TVTropes link. I'm at work...
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Why am I reading The Magic Versus Technology War?
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It's because you're weak minded.
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Fortunately, my boss came in and gave me a new writing assignment, so I had something else to think about. XD
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Critically failed on your save throw.
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I enjoyed this immensely.
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After reading this I feel M. Night Shaymalan owes me $15.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:


Well, not that I had any intention of seeing it in the first place, but glad they summarized everything for me.
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After reading this I feel M. Night Shaymalan owes me $15.
I'd accept $7.50, simply because that link made me laugh at least.
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Okay.

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Oh look the spammer is gone.


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Since 99.99% of SF movies fail the "no sound carries in a near vacuum" test I've given up quibbling on the Science in Fiction. I'm just here for the explosions, star-fields, running around, scantily clad cannon fodder and long moments in small boxes.
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Damn, Star Wars would suck so bad if it was scientifically correct. It worked in A Space Odyssey, but only because the absence of sound enhanced the atmosphere of the movie. Star Wars without space sounds would blow chunks of unprecedented proportions. It would be like The Lord of the Rings if it was scientifically correct. Wizard, you say? Nay, try illusionist...

I love it when people pick a sci-fi movie apart because of things like sound in space. No, sound can't travel through vacuum, that's correct, but what're your thoughts on the omnipresent camera filming it all?
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but what're your thoughts on the omnipresent camera filming it all?


There's not an omnipresent camera filming it all... that's not how story telling works.

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Just to be clear, I've never had an issue with sound in space from an audience point of view. I think it'd be different if there were characters in the story standing on Earth, and Mars blew up and everyone heard the explosion. If the audience was watching the Mars blow up from behind that Fourth Wall and they could hear it? Big deal.

But the majority of the gripes about this film aren't about those audience perspective type things.

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I rationalize sound in space away as it being the sounds that the pilots / crew would hear transferred through the metal / ceramic / etc. of the hull and into the atmosphere. The laaser doesn't make a noise, but maybe the capacitor that fires it does, etc.
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There's a difference between stuff done for purely stylistic reasons (sound in space, space fighters improbably needing to 'bank' to make a turn, etc) and getting the basic science behind the foundation of your movie completely and hilariously wrong (evolution).

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There's not an omnipresent camera filming it all... that's not how story telling works.


Or is it? Smiley: sly
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