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#1 Sep 17 2012 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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So JJ Abrams has made another series. NBC this time.

Power goes out all over the planet, and apparently the physics behind electricity and motors just breaks. 15 years pass and the world is ****

Interesting, yes. Do I expect much from it? Not anymore. Abrams seems to be pulling from the same playbook all the time. This genre seems to be pretty hit/miss when it comes to sticking as well. FlashForward, Terra Nova, and Alcatraz have all left me pretty iffy when it comes to getting attached to a new show of this type. Of course, it's like a catch 22... if we don't give it ratings it won't have a chance, but if we think it won't stand a chance we won't give it ratings...

My biggest problem so far: How do engines no longer work, yet firearms, and fire in general, work just fine? Combustion works, yet Combustion engines don't?

I know the pilot is airing right now, but NBC had a preview on demand last week, and I watched it then.
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#2 Sep 17 2012 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
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The MacGuffin is probably some alien device that was accidentally turned on by the government, and has the power to drain electrical energy across the whole planet. At long range it can only effect regular power, but when you get close to the device it can drain bio-electric energy from life forms as well.

In short: alien device gets turned on, kills everyone in range that knows about it/can turn it back off, proceeds to suck the planet dry like a crackwhore.
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The absurdity of the premise is enough to keep me from watching it. The show might turn out to be pretty good, but if I can't take it seriously, it won't hold my interest.
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Isn't Eric Kripke one of the lead writers? He was behind the first 5 seasons of Supernatural, so I might be willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
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#5 Sep 18 2012 at 1:19 AM Rating: Good
I'd guess some sort of EMP pulse that fried all transistors everywhere could do it.

I haven't seen the show, mind you, but that'd be my guess.
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In short: alien device gets turned on, kills everyone in range that knows about it/can turn it back off, proceeds to suck the planet dry like a crackwhore.

But ultimately it is defeated by simple earthen rust.

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I recorded it, going to watch it today most likely. And I agree - I'm almost afraid to care about it. Anything that's not a reality show these days or a medical/law drama tends to get canceled after one season.
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It isn't on Fox, so it might get a second season.
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Not having watched it yet, but to answer your spoiler question is that combustion engines require 3 things to function, fuel, compression, and spark.
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Kastigir wrote:
Not having watched it yet, but to answer your spoiler question is that combustion engines require 3 things to function, fuel, compression, and spark.


Diesel engines. That is all.

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Point being that combustion engines just need combustion. How the fuel begins the combustion is not really set in stone, and doesn't always require electricity. The combustion that causes a firearm to expel a bullet and the combustion that takes place in an engine to push on the piston and turn the crank shaft follow the same physics.

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I'd like to think this series is the continuation after the end of Escape From LA.
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[quote=Kastigir]Not having watched it yet, but to answer your spoiler question is that combustion engines require 3 things to function, fuel, compression, and spark.


Diesel engines. That is all.

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Point being that combustion engines just need combustion. How the fuel begins the combustion is not really set in stone, and doesn't always require electricity. The combustion that causes a firearm to expel a bullet and the combustion that takes place in an engine to push on the piston and turn the crank shaft follow the same physics.
What do you think creates combustion in a diesel engine? Sure, it requires more compression, but it still needs electricity. Glow plugs aren't magical.
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I'd like to think this series is the continuation after the end of Escape From LA.


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[quote=Kastigir]Not having watched it yet, but to answer your spoiler question is that combustion engines require 3 things to function, fuel, compression, and spark.


Diesel engines. That is all.

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Point being that combustion engines just need combustion. How the fuel begins the combustion is not really set in stone, and doesn't always require electricity. The combustion that causes a firearm to expel a bullet and the combustion that takes place in an engine to push on the piston and turn the crank shaft follow the same physics.
What do you think creates combustion in a diesel engine? Sure, it requires more compression, but it still needs electricity. Glow plugs aren't magical.


That makes it even more absurd. You could argue that something like an EMP has broken all the integrated circuits, which would make modern cars and equipment fail. But if a firearm works, then an internal combustion engine will work. You just have to replace the fuel injection system with an old style carburetor and distributor cap. As mentioned earlier, it's fuel, compression, and spark. We use electricity to generate that spark, but that should not be an issue. Only what means we use to control electricity.

Electricity has to still work, or everyone would be dead, not just the technology. So we have to assume that if one takes a magnet and spins it inside a coil of wire, it will produce electrical current. Similarly, the same chemicals used for batteries should be able to hold a charge. If they can't, then all the people are dead as well. So batteries should work (you might have to make new ones), and internal combustion engines should work.



I haven't watched the show, but did they even attempt anything more than "technology doesn't work anymore" for an explanation?
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Kastigir wrote:
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Not having watched it yet, but to answer your spoiler question is that combustion engines require 3 things to function, fuel, compression, and spark.


Diesel engines. That is all.

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Point being that combustion engines just need combustion. How the fuel begins the combustion is not really set in stone, and doesn't always require electricity. The combustion that causes a firearm to expel a bullet and the combustion that takes place in an engine to push on the piston and turn the crank shaft follow the same physics.

What do you think creates combustion in a diesel engine? Sure, it requires more compression, but it still needs electricity. Glow plugs aren't magical.


Glow plugs aren't magical, but they aren't needed for a diesel engine to create combustion, they are just used to keep it warm to avoid the problem of cold starts.

Again, my point is there are non electricity forms of combustion (e.g. the Firearm). The physics behind how a combustion engine works does not require electricity. Many forms of modern engines may use electricity because of its ability to make the engines operate simpler and easier for every day use. It's not spark that is required, it's ignition. While spark can create ignition, it's not the only way to do it. Hell, I'm sure you could attach a piece of flint to a crank shaft timed correctly to strike and create a spark of heat (non electricity) to ignite a chamber of fuel. It may not be as efficient as a spark plug, but it could work. (And yes, I realize it would wear away and need to be replaced, but that's not the point)

We'll see if they better explain the problem in the series, and why engines can't work yet firearms can. But as of now it seems like a poorly thought out plot point to force people to run around riding horses in the not so distant future.
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Glow plugs aren't magical, but they aren't needed for a diesel engine to create combustion, they are just used to keep it warm to avoid the problem of cold starts.


Diesel fuel has a lower (and more even) ignition point, so compression alone can be used to sustain the engine's cycle. Temperature affects that point though, hence the glow pugs. You could do this with a gasoline powered engine, but it's easier to just use well timed sparks to do so due to the particulars of the fuel itself

But yes, your point is absolutely valid. There's no reason at all why firearms would work, but internal combustion engines would not. The only thing that could knock out technology, but not people and guns would be some form of EMP. And that would only affect newer cars (and you can remove/replace the affected components).

A more reasonable model would be that whatever knocked everything out did so effectively enough that they couldn't get things started again. So much of our industry is automated and controlled by computers, that if you can destroy them, we'd have a hard time rebuilding. But it wouldn't be "nothing works". There would be very few things that would, and it wouldn't be enough to maintain the volume of industry required for our modern world to operate. If the argument about cars wasn't a failure of the engines, but a lack of ability to refine fuel, it would make a tiny bit more sense.

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We'll see if they better explain the problem in the series, and why engines can't work yet firearms can. But as of now it seems like a poorly thought out plot point to force people to run around riding horses in the not so distant future.


Which is probably exactly what happened. Unfortunately, I've seen a trend for TV/film writers to write stuff that makes absolutely no sense (or is straight out impossible) just because it makes for a good story or twist. They go for the "this would be really cool" approach, but then can't seem to noodle out how to make said cool thing happen in a logical and consistent manner, so they just kinda throw up their hands and do it anyway.
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If the argument about cars wasn't a failure of the engines, but a lack of ability to refine fuel, it would make a tiny bit more sense.


They haven't explained much of anything. Just a guy teaching in one of the small villages says something along the lines of (paraphrase) Electricity stopped working, even engines no longer worked. And the very powerful groups of people met so far don't have any motorized vehicles, which you'd think if they did exist and work, these powerful people in control of everything would have them.

Though, one guy did have ice. But there are ways to do that.

I may be over critical of a show that is only on it's first episode... but it just seemed glaringly odd to me.
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#19 Sep 20 2012 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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The ice was meant to be odd. That and that whole scene at the end.

Stop over analyzing the engines. Sheesh. This is why we can't have nice things or any TV shows that don't consist of someone dancing or singing.
#20 Sep 20 2012 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
I saw that the dude that played Gus in Breaking Bad looks like he'll be the bad guy in this show.

Now I have to watch it. Best TV villain in recent memory.
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They haven't explained much of anything. Just a guy teaching in one of the small villages says something along the lines of (paraphrase) Electricity stopped working, even engines no longer worked.


Sad part is that an entire writing staff for the show probably thinks there's nothing wrong with basing the entire show on an event that stopped electricity from working. Which is more or less my point about just how dumbed down TV/film writing has become. You don't notice this (much) when it's the latest plotline for "switched at birth", but it's pretty darn glaring when it's a science fiction show.

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I may be over critical of a show that is only on it's first episode... but it just seemed glaringly odd to me.


Can they fix such a major problems in future episodes though? I mean, lets assume that starting with episode 2, someone with a better knowledge of physics (which is basically anyone with a high school education) pointed out the impossibility of the premise that "electricity stopped working" to the writers, how would they fix this? Just start having folks show up with working internal combustion engines, computers, and whatnot, and claim that it was just that few groups we met in episode one who just thought that electricity didn't work? Maybe aliens really conquered the earth and subjected the population to a mind control device which makes them think that technological stuff doesn't work anymore, but it really (obviously) does.

Hell. That's probably a better plot than they came up with though.
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Well, there was one bit of info I left out. A spoiler for the episode, they released right at the end:
In the first 5 minutes, the flashback to the 15 years before, it shows one of men rushing home and telling his wife that it's happening, everything will be shut off and never turn back on. He then puts a USB Jump Drive device into a laptop and starts downloading a file. Moments before the power shuts off he finishes it and puts it safely inside a locket/pendant looking necklace thing and tucks it away.

Then, at the end of the episode, a woman takes a similar device out and presses the "On" button. It glows a bit, then suddenly everything electronic around her starts to power up. Light bulbs turn on, her computer turns on, and it connects to a chat thing where she talks to someone else. Kind of a cliche "So, what now" conversation was had.
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Technically a deisal engine can work off the heat of compression alone. A glow plug makes that much easier in a full size engine, but its possible to start a radio controll airplane sized deisal conversion engine just by spinning the prop without any form of spark. And a glow plug wouldn't technically need to be electric. A small pilot hole for a burning stick like they used to use to light oil furnaces would also work just as well with some safety considerations.

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Well, there was one bit of info I left out. A spoiler for the episode, they released right at the end:
In the first 5 minutes, the flashback to the 15 years before, it shows one of men rushing home and telling his wife that it's happening, everything will be shut off and never turn back on. He then puts a USB Jump Drive device into a laptop and starts downloading a file. Moments before the power shuts off he finishes it and puts it safely inside a locket/pendant looking necklace thing and tucks it away.

Then, at the end of the episode, a woman takes a similar device out and presses the "On" button. It glows a bit, then suddenly everything electronic around her starts to power up. Light bulbs turn on, her computer turns on, and it connects to a chat thing where she talks to someone else. Kind of a cliche "So, what now" conversation was had.


What The Hell? Really? That's even worse than I thought. There's just so many things wrong with that, I don't know where to begin. Please tell me you just made that up.
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Well, there was one bit of info I left out. A spoiler for the episode, they released right at the end:
In the first 5 minutes, the flashback to the 15 years before, it shows one of men rushing home and telling his wife that it's happening, everything will be shut off and never turn back on. He then puts a USB Jump Drive device into a laptop and starts downloading a file. Moments before the power shuts off he finishes it and puts it safely inside a locket/pendant looking necklace thing and tucks it away.

Then, at the end of the episode, a woman takes a similar device out and presses the "On" button. It glows a bit, then suddenly everything electronic around her starts to power up. Light bulbs turn on, her computer turns on, and it connects to a chat thing where she talks to someone else. Kind of a cliche "So, what now" conversation was had.


What The Hell? Really? That's even worse than I thought. There's just so many things wrong with that, I don't know where to begin. Please tell me you just made that up.

He didn't.
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I was watching the season premiere of Haven Friday, and realized that I allow shows like Haven and Warehouse 13 a LOT of leeway in the "unbelievable" category, but shows like Revolution not nearly as much. I thought to myself "I'm being a bit unfair I guess".

But then I looked at the perceived genre or format of the shows, and a show like Revolution just comes off differently than shows like Haven and Warehouse 13. The format of those two just seems like it's supposed to be unbelievable. Revolution places itself in a more serious light, and things like this just stand out.
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It appears they are just going to run with it. I doubt anything will change about the premise now, we'll just have to accept it.
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Still going with my guess.
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I was watching the season premiere of Haven Friday, and realized that I allow shows like Haven and Warehouse 13 a LOT of leeway in the "unbelievable" category, but shows like Revolution not nearly as much. I thought to myself "I'm being a bit unfair I guess".


I think that suspension of disbelief works better when you build up to it and when the premise includes a real world with artifacts/troubles/whatever that change the rules temporarily in an area. It also helps when there's some level of consistency. In those other shows an artifact/trouble that stopped all electrical activity in an area would presumably kill anyone inside said area. They affect the world around them, but the basic rules are still the same.

Starting out the gate with a premise that seems pretty darn impossible, but with no more than a handwaved explanation isn't going to be received as well.

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Precisely. In the other shows, we're not supposed to understand how artifacts or troubles "work", just that they do. They affect the world, but do not define it. In Revolution, we're supposed to accept some kind of global change to the rules of the world, but those new rules don't seem to behave in any consistent manner. It would be like if water no longer flowed downhill, but only in rivers. One would reasonably ask why it flows out of a cup or falls to the floor if poured out of a container, or still falls from the sky as rain, but magically sits there doing nothing once it's collected into a river. Doesn't make sense at all, right?


Despite this, I have a current working theory. The whole world is virtual and the folks running the simulation decided that they were bored of a modern industrial world and wanted something pre-industrial (or at least pre-electricity). They just programmed the simulation to not allow electrical devices to work and left things to run their course. However, some of the folks in the simulation had realized that they lived in a virtual world (or were players rather than NPCs?) and downloaded some code changes in advance that would allow them to make alterations to these new rules on a small scale.


Um... That's all I've got. It's the only thing that kinda makes sense and fits the facts so far. Not sure the "it's all an illusion" approach is super great, but there you have it. You heard it here first.
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I think there's something wrong when the only way you can pull off a plot hole successfully is to create a Matrix scenario.
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Well, the alternative is that some writers/producers in a spin session realized they really wanted to bank on the whole Hunger Games thing, and the entire back story is less important than merely having a post-apocalyptic world with a girl who hunts with a bow and a young buck who starts out as her enemy, but occasionally helps her out and then they eventually fall in love. Sadly, I'd like to think I was joking with that last sentence, but it's probably true. Sigh...
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.

Also, apparently the entire US military just disappeared except for two guys. Strange, I know. Just don't think about it too much. Better yet, not at all.
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.


Must be that what ever "technology" they need to pack and create shells is now inoperable. While the extent of my shell making experience has been shot gun shells, the technology used to make them is nothing more than a manually operated press machine. I'd imagine something similar works for rifle cartridges, and lead is not exactly a very hard to work with metal.

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Also, apparently the entire US military just disappeared except for two guys. Strange, I know. Just don't think about it too much. Better yet, not at all.


I did find it strange that Miles and Monroe were the only ones they showed around the base. I just assumed others were there, cause Monroe even makes a big stink about how if they leave they'd be deserters.

Problems aside, I'll continue to watch. It's peaked my interest enough to keep it on my DVR.
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What would be hard is finding primers but that makes it look even worse since need primers for the Black powder rifles. Really 5 mins on google would made this so much better.
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fulminate of mercury requires liquid mercury (obtainable) and nitric acid. Mitric acid is the difficult part. But someone with a 18-19th century understanding of chemestry could manage it. making the percussion caps themselves requires a press and metal forming dies, easily made if we assume you also have a water powered or manually activated lathe for making cartridges. There are something on the order of 9,000 bullets for every human being currently on the planet though, so I'm thinking it would take a while to run out. At least in russia.
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.


Must be that what ever "technology" they need to pack and create shells is now inoperable. While the extent of my shell making experience has been shot gun shells, the technology used to make them is nothing more than a manually operated press machine. I'd imagine something similar works for rifle cartridges, and lead is not exactly a very hard to work with metal.


The cartridge shells themselves are trivially easy. You could make them if you wanted, but with 100,000,000 times as many shells in the US than the likely population 15 years after said disaster, the idea that there would be any real problem with reloading as many as needed is somewhat absurd. Actually more than somewhat absurd. The only even vaguely difficult issue would be the primer caps. Again assuming that you wouldn't have millions of these things out there sitting on shelves in gun stores all over the place, it's not much harder to mix the chemicals needed for those as to make the powder itself.


Let's not forget that the woman they picked up is an expert in chemicals and explosives. So those work (quite well) and apparently it's not that hard to find the materials to make pretty much anything you'd need (or I suppose whatever the plot required). The other point I was making is that they were shown using bore loaded rifles. Do you know how few there are in the US? The idea that cartridges for bolt action, revolver, or automatic weapons are so rare that they'd switch to using bore loaded rifles is ridiculous. You could find the materials to make or reload a million cartridge rounds easier than you could make or find the 50 bore loading rifles shown in the episode.

There is no reason other than bad writing for that. I mean, if they just said that cartridge weapons didn't work (ie: my matrix theory is true and the simulation doesn't allow them for some reason), that would allow a possible way to maintain logical consistency. But they clearly do work. So why the **** isn't everyone using them? I can only imagine it's because some idiot writer/producer wanted to see civil war type militias marching around with single shot bore loaded rifles to make it feel like they've really dropped in tech. Gah! It's just terrible.

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I did find it strange that Miles and Monroe were the only ones they showed around the base. I just assumed others were there, cause Monroe even makes a big stink about how if they leave they'd be deserters.


That wasn't really what I was going after. Where's the military in the areas they're traveling through? Assuming that they somehow continue marching towards Chicago rescuing people along the way and forming the core of this eventual militia, shouldn't they arrive to find a US military base somewhere nearby, with vastly more weapons and folks who outrank them? First off, the idea that 8 weeks after the blackout, they'd be sitting around bored because they're waiting for orders is moronic. The military would be out dealing with the massive violence and riots that would have to accompany such an event. 8 weeks later, probably half the US population would be dead (would have to since there isn't enough food in the areas with the highest populations), and every military base would have become the last points of semi civilization (enough supplies and people and weapons to defend them). They'd be hip deep in daily action, not sitting around waiting for orders.


And this would be the case where they arrive as well. How do a couple of non-coms end out running the entire territory with their militia? Now maybe they've got some explanation about this, but I'm betting they just pretend that the entire US military just vanished. They'll arrive in Chicago, find complete lawlessness and decide that they have to put a stop to it. And they'll be the only ones to do it. Again, where's the military? If they're there then those two would end out absorbed into a larger organization and be no where near the top. If there isn't any military then where did they go? Poof?

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At this point I'm continuing to watch just to see how horrifically bad it can get. So far they've managed to exceed my worse predictions each week. It's like someone made a bet with Abrams to see if he could pitch a show to a network based on the intention to make it as unbelievable as possible and they let him do it. Probably thought it was artistic or something.

It's not even of the "so bad it's good" variety. It's just bad.
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#39 Oct 03 2012 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.

You guys obviously are between video games. Find one. NOW.
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.

It's not about how realistic it is. It's about how believable it is. Even if the setting is fantastic you still have to make me believe that events could really play out that way if it was real. Revolution doesn't do that.
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.


If the premise was that they all got transported to Narnia and the rules are different, that would be one thing. But the premise is that something happened to the otherwise real world just like the one we live in that made some change that affected electronic devices. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that said change make some kind of sense and be consistent. Even if it's just some magic that prevents anything invented after 1850 from working that would be ok. But then they need to be consistent. So far, I've seen nothing remotely consistent. Chemical girl is whipping up advanced explosive compounds in one scene, then the rarity of cartridge ammunition forces a whole unit of soldiers to fight using muzzle loaded rifles in the next. If the first is possible then the second is completely unnecessary (and stupid as hell).

Of course, it's entirely possible that the reason really is just stupidity and not resources. After all, the commander of that unit, upon facing a single person with a bolt action rifle on a roof, makes what has to be the absolutely most idiotic military command decision in the history of the universe. That one is just completely unexplainable.
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After all, the commander of that unit, upon facing a single person with a bolt action rifle on a roof, makes what has to be the absolutely most idiotic military command decision in the history of the universe. That one is just completely unexplainable.


He was consulted by Zapp Brannigan on that one.
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They added (are adding?) steam engines. But I think they are not doing it for any reason other than to have a train in the next episode (gotta ride up along side it on a horse!). They did mention that the Militias destroyed the steam boats. Killed off a "main" character.
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