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#1 Jun 01 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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Just got back from an advance preview screening of this (again), and...
Believe the reviews coming out of the gate, this is not just the best X-Men film to date it's also the closest contender of the "best comic book adaption" title to date - right up there with The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Like the case was with Thor, i have never read any of the old X-Men comics so keep this in mind when reading the following.

Review: X-Men First Class
Everything that all previous X-Men films have gotten wrong (Script, Characters, Pacing) this gets right and while some parts do feel a bit rushed it keeps everything coherent thanks largely to an extremely solid script and strong acting. I was never bored, never found myself uninterested in the plot, and found myself both recoiling and unexpectedly laughing really damn hard at some parts. The CG effects are just breathtaking as well.

Charles Xavier (James McAvoy) and Erik Lehnsherr (Michael Fassbender) were PERFECTLY cast as their respective characters, a fantastic feeling of comradeship develops as the two get to know each other, something that makes the ending all the more tragic. Raven Xavier/Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence) gives a good performance as do all of the team, but they do feel a bit overshadowed by the two main characters - They're not bad actors here... it's just McAvoy and Fassbender are so good they stand out so much amongst the cast.

The movie sets the tone of the story as being EXTREMELY dark right from the first scenes with the young Erik being held in a Nazi concentration camp, what happens there made me lean back in my seat almost and i am pretty sure i heard some in the audience whispering "No... oh god no..". This part of the film i felt borrowed a bit from the Star Trek reboot as it compares the early lives of Erik and Charles and the results of said upbringings. It's here where Fassbender's Erik really steals the show: The film goes from 1944 to 1964 where a 30 year old Erik, who now has a grasp of his mutant powers, has made it his life's goal to hunt down and exact revenge on the Nazi's that wronged him. You see everything he does in all it's bloody glory.. I felt at this point the film really shakes the audience, almost saying "This is what you're in for, get ready".
Charles Xavier has a much easier time throughout his story in comparison but that does not mean his story is any less interesting; his character is clearly conflicted and tragically arrogant despite having good intentions. Seeing his character finally realizing how completely wrong he is for once towards the end of the film and the price he pays for it is a very powerful scene.

The story has a surprising amount of humor in it despite it's overly dark and serious themes based in a Cold War setting (Vaughn really did his homework here). A fair amount of the comedy comes from Charles Xavier, forget the wheelchair bound sage from previous films, this character is one full of swagger and enough charm to woo any woman he wants (and he does). Erik has a handful of funny scenes as well which feels good and odd at the same time given his character's back story.
There was a freakin' hilarious part that had EVERYONE in the screening laughing their asses off for a good minute, BIG SPOILER >>> BEST... CAMEO... EVER....
You'll know it when you see it...

The fights are intense, they make very good use of the CG effects and they don't use close up shots to an extreme like other films have done. Watching Azazel rip through a squadron of soldiers with close to no effort was a "Wow" moment for me. Nothing is done to be so insanely over the top it becomes laughable, which is incredible to say about an X-Men film. The pacing is spot on, never going too slow but never zooming along so fast it leaves half the audience in the dust but still the 2 hours and 15 minutes running time just flies by, left me a bit let down when it ended... i sort of wanted it to keep going.

I'm not sure if Vaughn intends to continue his own take on the X-Men universe, the ending is open to interupritation as far as i saw it, but suffice to say he's got the winning formula down just like J.J Abrams did with Star Trek and I'd be thrilled if he went and did Wolverine's story some justice if he goes there.
See this film ASAP even if you don't think you'd like an X-Men film, you won't be let down.

Rating: 9.8/10.0


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#2 Jun 01 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Tatham wrote:
Believe the reviews coming out of the gate, this is not just the best X-Men film to date it's also the closest contender of the "best comic book adaption" title to date - right up there with The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Like the case was with Thor, i have never read any of the old X-Men comics so keep this in mind when reading the following.


I absolutely intend to watch this film, but the preceding is a bit strange. How can you say this is the best adaption ever if you're not even remotely familiar with the source material? At the risk of judging something on the basis of actually being familiar with the source material, my first concern with the quality of the adaption is the use of characters that didn't exist in the original story until decades later than the story is set.

That's not to say it's not a great story. I'm sure it is. But that makes it less an adaption as a "retelling". My impression from the very first previews of the film suggested that what they did was take some of the newer and less well known characters and write a story pretending that they'd really been there at the beginning and count on most of the audience (like you) not realizing this.


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I'm not sure if Vaughn intends to continue his own take on the X-Men universe, the ending is open to interupritation as far as i saw it, but suffice to say he's got the winning formula down just like J.J Abrams did with Star Trek and I'd be thrilled if he went and did Wolverine's story some justice if he goes there.


I personally thought the Star Trek reboot was horribly written with plot holes a mile wide. Didn't have a problem with the rewriting of the history at all. It was just so poorly done that I was cringing during the film. I hope to god it's not the same with this film. That said, as I pointed out earlier, I have a bit of an issue with the whole "insert new characters into older stories" bit. It would be kinda like if the Star Trek reboot had featured Pickard as Kirk's academy roommate. But again, I suspect they're counting on most of the audience not knowing who Havoc and Banshee are.


But it's not like this is the first time they've shuffled characters around for the films. As long as it's done well, I can deal with it.
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#3 Jun 01 2011 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Tatham wrote:
this is not just the best X-Men film to date it's also the closest contender of the "best comic book adaption" title to date
I'll believe the first half, as the X-Men films haven't exactly been amazing motion pictures, but somehow I'm not holding my breath on the second half. Just the commercials alone make me doubt the film follows the established lore.
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#4 Jun 01 2011 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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^This

I checked the Wikipedia article for the cast list and Darwin is in there. He was part of Moira McTaggert's first attempt at a mutant team, not Xavier's. The random tossing in of character to fill in the plot annoys the hell out of me, I understand they used Havok to cover Cyclops's role but why did they us Mystique? She's supposed to be over 100 years old, hell during WWII she was partnered with Sabretooth.

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While I understand why they do it, what bothers (a bit anyway) is how they take characters that have evolved significantly over time and use the current evolution of said character when writing a story that took place in the past. A classic example of this is the use of a young Emma Frost using her diamond-skin powers. Obviously, it's intended to identify the character to people who know her as she is now, but that's not how she was originally. I get it, but at the same time it would be nice for the writers to allow for the audience who is familiar with the character to also know that she didn't always have that power and actually appreciate that the writers recognized this too.

They're basically catering to the relatively small portion of comic book fans who will recognize the character but not know enough about his/her history to understand why said character is different in the film. But IMO that's just the wrong way to do it. Those fans, when they ask why a character they know isn't the same as in the comics today will be told that he/she had different powers back in the past. Simple answer and someone learns something. You do the reverse, and there's no good answer.

I'm sure some market study showed them they'd get better character recognition or action figure sales doing it the other way though, so whatever. I get it. It does bug me a bit though.

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#6 Jun 01 2011 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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Here is the list of all the main characters in the movie.

http://io9.com/5807551/who-are-all-these-weird-new-mutants-in-x+men-first-class
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#7 Jun 01 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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I checked the Wikipedia article for the cast list and Darwin is in there.
If anything gets me to NERDRAGE its going to be Darwin. Not to sound racist, but ... his real name is Armondo Munoz. Is the Mormon doctor from House really the right choice?
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#8 Jun 02 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll go check it out this weekend. Unlike the nerds in this thread I don't have a clue about the original material. I'm just in it for a couple hours of amusement, which is all this movie is likely to provide.
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I checked the Wikipedia article for the cast list and Darwin is in there. He was part of Moira McTaggert's first attempt at a mutant team, not Xavier's. The random tossing in of character to fill in the plot annoys the hell out of me, I understand they used Havok to cover Cyclops's role but why did they us Mystique? She's supposed to be over 100 years old, hell during WWII she was partnered with Sabretooth.

Edited, Jun 1st 2011 8:24pm by Shaowstrike


Actually, not WWII but the Cold war afterwards. It's then that she had their loving son who later tried to kill them all. Granted, old news and hardly spoiler worthy I suppose

As for Darwin, sort of ironic as it's Xavier that gets Moira's first team all killed. Well, I say almost yet two survived I suppose, although I've stopped reading the series when Xavier went to space to stop Scott's second brother.

I'm not holding my breath for this movie, although it just cannot be worse than X-Men III, which was the worst comic book adaptation ever, even worse than the David Hasselhof Shield movie. Heck, the very old Hulk movies were truly superior to that one.

It sounds more like an Ultimate X-Men version, a twist on the canon tales of the X-Men. Which is a shame, because in the very long and repetitive history of the X-Men, there are a heck of a lot of good stories to be told and televised. Perhaps one day they'll get some done.


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Movie Goer Review:

It wasn't really that bad of a movie. I wouldn't say it was the greatest thing ever, but it certain was enjoyable. It was very obvious that the movie wasn't focused so much on being an action packed block buster, but as a precursor for a series of movies. I seriously doubt they'll wait for fan reviews and are probably already on the first or second phase of movie creating for the sequel. It was a little hamfisted when they were doing the introductions, but believable. I'm going to say, considering the source material, the action wasn't over the top like that last atrocity that was a movie based on X-Men.

Both James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender were exceptional in their roles, and I admit Kevin Bacon was really good as well. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say the entire cast acted really well in the movie. I especially liked how they didn't make Xavier just "right," but hit the fact he was quite arrogant in his thinking, just as much as Erik was in his.

I did enjoy the display of powers. It was quite well done. Especially Alex Summers' power set. Not because it was particularly accurate, but it was a fairly unique interpretation. I mean, he does have rings of plasma like in the movie, but not the Hula Hoops of Death™ as I'm calling it. It really looked like he was hula hooping before his costume. On the other hand, I missed it, but I think Emma used her telepathy while in diamond form, and that's wrong.

My favorite part of the movie was (and it really can't be considered a spoiler)

Xavier: Okay, turn it towards us.
Erik: (JAZZ HANDS!!)
lolgaxe: (Literally fell out of seat laughing to tears.)

The cameo was ... meh. I've never liked him in the comics, and the previous movies I didn't like him either. I will say that when Cerebro was activated, I did giggle a bit when I noticed Ororo. I'm sure there were others, but it went by so fast and I was still fanboying over that. Really one of the better parts of the movie.

Overall, I'm going to say the movie, minus any comic book knowledge, was a solid project and worth your money to see. I wouldn't say it really gives The Dark Knight a run for it's money like the commercials say, but it is a good movie.

Which, leads me to the comic book knowledge review ... Spoilers within as well. If you don't want to read it, I'll sum it up as: My initial reactions were correct.

Comic Nerd Review:

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.

DARWIN DIES?! HOW THE FUCK DOES THE ONE MUTANT, WHO'S POWER SET REVOLVES AROUND SURVIVING ANYTHING "DIE?!"

No, seriously. This is a character who looks a DEATH GOD. A DEATH GOD. A GOD OF DEATH. Looks her in the eye and scares her away. The Death God, mind you, who can kill people with a thought. And Darwin scares her away by evolving into a Death God.

He goes into space outside of a rocket and just hangs out. He gets shot with lasers and just continues to walk around. You cannot kill him, that's the whole point of his power set! Hell, the scene before he dies when going after Angel it looks like he turns on his shell well before Havok's power hits him. Not moments before, a good two or three seconds. Again, his power is completely reactionary. He has no control of it. Might as well call it racist while we're at it. The one black dude, killed almost immediately after sticking his head in a fish bowl. Fuck you.

Moira MacTaggert, American CIA? Yeah, another FUCK YOU. She's so Scottish that its hard to goddamn read her accent! Its such a simple characteristic that didn't need to be eliminated! Just give her an over the top Scottish brogue! Hell, on top of that Sean Cassedy wasn't exactly very Irish "top a de mornin'" either. These aren't difficult things to implement.

Then Hank McCoy. Dear god what the hell did they do to you? A shy geeky introvert? This is a guy that, even pre-blueification had a new girlfriend every month. He would be out on the town having the time of his life. I'll accept that he used Mystique's blood for his potion to make him "more normal," but its like they didn't read a single book.

Then there's Sebastian Shaw. Wow. I can't think of a single right thing done with him. His power set isn't a controlled one (much like Darwin) so what happened at the end could not have happened. Maybe I just forgot, but I'm fairly sure he couldn't project the kinetic energy he stored up. It just enhanced all his physical attributes. Speed, strength, durability, etc etc.

I've used up all my righteous comic book nerdrage to even go into the other characters. Needless to say, they were considerably off.


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#11 Jun 03 2011 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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As someone who was unaware of the source material, I enjoyed the movie quite a bit. I'd give it 8/10. Acting was good for most of the main characters, but some of the supporting characters were kinda eh. Mystique was hit or miss as well imo.

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On the other hand, I missed it, but I think Emma used her telepathy while in diamond form, and that's wrong.


I'm 90% sure she didn't.
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Then there's Sebastian Shaw. Wow. I can't think of a single right thing done with him. His power set isn't a controlled one (much like Darwin) so what happened at the end could not have happened. Maybe I just forgot, but I'm fairly sure he couldn't project the kinetic energy he stored up. It just enhanced all his physical attributes. Speed, strength, durability, etc etc.


Wait, so they merged Shaw with Bishop, and they still used skinny-ass Kevin Bacon for the role? Bastards!
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Then there's Sebastian Shaw. Wow. I can't think of a single right thing done with him. His power set isn't a controlled one (much like Darwin) so what happened at the end could not have happened. Maybe I just forgot, but I'm fairly sure he couldn't project the kinetic energy he stored up. It just enhanced all his physical attributes. Speed, strength, durability, etc etc.
Wait, so they merged Shaw with Bishop, and they still used skinny-ass Kevin Bacon for the role? Bastards!
And he stole Mr. Sinister's shtick.
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Then there's Sebastian Shaw. Wow. I can't think of a single right thing done with him. His power set isn't a controlled one (much like Darwin) so what happened at the end could not have happened. Maybe I just forgot, but I'm fairly sure he couldn't project the kinetic energy he stored up. It just enhanced all his physical attributes. Speed, strength, durability, etc etc.
Wait, so they merged Shaw with Bishop, and they still used skinny-ass Kevin Bacon for the role? Bastards!
And he stole Mr. Sinister's shtick.


Shaw would have been the perfect role for Triple H IMO.
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Everything that all previous X-Men films have gotten wrong (Script, Characters, Pacing) this gets right


I didn't find the "original" X-Men movies that bad, to be honest. Sure, they were a bit cheesy, but nowhere near the disastrous failure a lot of people apparently see them as.

Granted, I haven't read many X-Men comics in my life, either, so I can't comment on whether or not Singer's movies were true to the lore or not, but considering the amount of twists the X-Men story has taken in the comics, does it really matter?

Looking forward to watching First Class. Not expecting more than Thor, which was a good movie, by the way, but not expecting less either.

All in all, I'm pretty happy I was born in time for these recent movie adaptations of comics. Special effects, action and a twist of humor/drama is alright in my book.
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Easily best X-men movie of the 3 I've seen, which speaks more of how awful the others were.

I found lolgaxe's review to be fairly entertaining. It seemed to me like he's complaining his hooker isn't a virgin. Marvel (and DC) "stories" are continuously retconned whenever it becomes the slightest bit inconvenient for them while selling out.

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More like buying a hooker and finding she is a virgin. I didn't pay who knows how much for someone that doesn't know what she's doing. I'll still enjoy the experience, but not nearly as much as with someone that knew what was going on, and I'll probably feel even dirtier afterwards for enjoying said experience.

This wasn't a retcon; Retcons tend to leave some resemblance of canon in place. This is full on alternative dimension.

But yes, best of the X-Movies. In fact, arguably first of the X-Movies, considering the other three were more Wolverine Guest Starring some X-Men

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This wasn't a retcon; Retcons tend to leave some resemblance of canon in place. This is full on alternative dimension.]

I'm pretty sure the comics have done worse.

I'm pretty sure Beast was made to be the shy introvert to give the movie a love/b subplot with Mystique, because otherwise they'd have less of a movie if it was just a X-Magneto wankfest. As for the change of CIA girl's background to being American, well Americans are xenophobic (did you see how fast they killed the black guy?) Also this change might have been more distressing if her character matter. She basically just existed so that the X-men had a tie in to the CIA, and didn't matter as a character at all.
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That was the central part of my Nerdrage. Smiley: tongue
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#20 Jun 18 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, when he died my first thought was "Wow, they killed the token black guy AGAIN!?" And even though I don't know much about the comics (although I loved the cartoon growing up in the 90's) I thought it was weird that he could be killed after they explained his powers.

Also, the cameo you spoke of wasn't the only one. Not sure if you guys noticed, but during the scene where Mystique tries to seduce Erik, and he makes the comment about her being too young, she switches form and there was Rebecca Romijn! It was just a split second, so I'm not surprised if some people didn't notice.

After I saw the movie, I came home and talked with my bf J, and we looked at the Wiki page for X-men and I thought it was dumb that they created entirely new mutants for Shaw's crew when they could have easily used ones that were already in the series. Especially when they gave one of them Storm's powers. WTF was up with that?

Although, overall I did really enjoy the movie.
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After I saw the movie, I came home and talked with my bf J, and we looked at the Wiki page for X-men and I thought it was dumb that they created entirely new mutants for Shaw's crew when they could have easily used ones that were already in the series.
They weren't made for the movie, they're both throwaway obscure characters that were altered for the movie, but they did exist. Riptide was part of the Reavers Mauraders that killed most of the Morlocks in the mid-80s, and Azazel was from the biblical times and fathered Nightcrawler (and like a million other Nightcrawler-like mutants ...) in the early 2000s.

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Hmmm, maybe I'll go see it then. Thanks.
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#23 Jun 20 2011 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
Fair enough. J told me that Beast was Nightcrawler's father though. Do you know where he might have gotten that idea if Azazel was actually his father?
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Fair enough. J told me that Beast was Nightcrawler's father though. Do you know where he might have gotten that idea if Azazel was actually his father?


Most likely just because of the colour. I think Nightcrawler might even be older than Beast. (or very close in age anyway)
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Do you know where he might have gotten that idea if Azazel was actually his father?
Comic book plot.

Azazel is really, really old. In the Biblical times a bunch of angels banished him to another dimension. Azazel figured out how to come back to the regular dimension for brief periods of time, and each time he did he'd sire a child. Eventually, Nightcrawler met another person who had similar abilities, like to teleport and a bamf of hellfire and brimstone. Then it turns out that there are thousands of brothers and sisters who can teleport like that, and the reason they can do that is so Azazel can come back to the regular universe on a more permanent basis and conquer the world. A little before the nefarious plot is discovered, we learn that Mystique and Azazel had a thing together, hence Nightcrawler's birth.

Like I said, comic book plot.
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lololol

Anyone else wish that comics would learn to, y'know, keep things from going TOO insane?
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From my DC research, because I still won't read it myself ... Green Lantern takes the cake for absolute insanity. Like Bzzd, Ch'p, and Dkrtzy RRR to name a few.
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#28 Jun 21 2011 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
I meant where J would have gotten the idea that Beast was Nightcrawler's dad. I won't complain about getting comic book plot summaries though. ^_^
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I've never bothered to follow the comics so, aside from some inconsistencies with the earlier movies (which I ignored under the notion that this movie was basically a reboot), I had no reason to get all nerd-ragey about canon.

Though it was good times. The two lead actos, who I am too lazy to look up, carried each scene they were in and did a fantastic job. Prof. X was played well as a cocky young adult without the wisdom and weight of experience versus if they tried to just make a young Patrick Stewart. The friendship between the two seemed genuine and both were played with good qualities and faults.

Wasn't as impressed with the slate of bad guys. Kevin Bacon did a pretty good job but his character was never really "believable". I mean, sadistic Nazi doctor was easy enough to accept but his "modern" goals never really rung true and he felt more like a guy just doin' stuff for the hell of it than anyone driven by some sort of conviction. January Jones could have picked something better than a pseudo-1960s period piece to try and convince me that I wasn't watching Betty Draper in lingerie. Or, you know, maybe if she had some sort of acting range. Who knows. I don't think the others even had speaking parts.

The other mutants were largely okay. Mystique did a good job of conveying her angst that no one was going to want to date a lumpy blue girl unless she disguised herself. Beast was pretty good. Havoc was okay. Angel and Banshee just seemed silly, especially after Angel got her wings sheared in the ending fight. When she sided with Magneto, I just thought "Yay, now you have a girl who can buzz around in small circles and spit golfballs of fire."

Overall though, it was fun, the pacing worked for me and I had a good time throughout. Haven't seen Green Lantern yet but I enjoyed X-Men: FC more than I did Thor.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2011 4:33pm by Jophiel
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#31FantasiaAngel, Posted: Jun 27 2011 at 12:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I thought it was awful, basically. It had its nice moments, such as the above mentioned spoiler, but they were few and far between.
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By the way I have some great reading material below for those interested. It is definitely not marketing stuff so relax. Just click if you like, no worries.

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But I have seen transformers already and no X-men can top that.
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Fair enough. J told me that Beast was Nightcrawler's father though. Do you know where he might have gotten that idea if Azazel was actually his father?


Impossible, since the blue skin/fur was not Beasts original mutation. Beast was originally short, heavy and ridiculously strong but thick as a brick. The Legacy virus, which killed most mutants it infected, changed a few others. Hank was one of those changed. So although his coloring is similar to Nightcrawlers now, it was not then. Also, of course, Hank does not Bamf! :)
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As has been pointed out, it is more or less accepted that every time a comic is translated to a new medium the backstory will be re-written. Comics to novels to cartoons to movies, each has played fast and loose with the back story and even added or removed or merged characters. This is basically an "any time we find it convenient" kinda thing. That said, I see no problem with it. as Stan has said many times, each of the mediums is a new thing. The movies are "based" on the x-men comics, not slaved to them.

All of that said, I found all of them good (except maybe Origins: Wolverine but only because Logan IS my favorite character and I did not like what they changed) and thought First Class was the best of them.

And yes, I have been an X-Men reader/collector for a long time.
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I don't have any problem enjoying a movie that ignores the rich history of an established universe, but that doesn't mean there isn't going to be things that I find annoying. I don't believe for a second a perfect movie will ever be created, because said universe is a universe. There is a ton of little things that just doesn't translate over. Personality quirks, side story lines, hell even certain powers just don't do well outside of a comic format. So I'm more than happy to give leeway. However, that doesn't mean that if I see something that is just grossly wrong that I won't be ticked by it. Leech affecting Juggernaut in the third movie was one of those things, the stuff I mentioned in this thread are some. Hell, I was even fine with Sandman in the third Spider-Man movie. Though, in that last example I think he got screwed over in the comics through some unfortunate retcons. Liked him much better as a villain trying to find redemption. And on that mention, Amazing Spider-Man 664: Amazing awesome props to the treatment of Eddie Brock. I'm actually excited about the upcoming Spider Island story arc now.

[Geek]And Beast isn't blue because of the Legacy Virus. He did it to himself after he left the X-Men and joined the Avengers. So, in part, First Class was right about that, just the technique and timing is off.[/Geek]
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