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#52 May 18 2011 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
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Matt Smith is definitely way better than Tennant.


I think they're just about equal. They're both just as good but in different ways.
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#53 May 19 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
I FINALLY got around to watching episode 4 last night, so I can catch up on the discussion! This one had really interesting insight into the relationship between the Doctor and the TARDIS; I had never considered the TARDIS as a sentient being before, but it certainly sheds a new light on things. It was also very sad for the Doctor to think he found more Timelords (even though we knew that couldn't actually happen). He was rather angry when he found out the truth. I am just waiting for the day when he gets pushed just far enough and goes apesh*t on everything.
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The sentience of the TARDIS is sort of implied if you are either a considering person or religious or both. As described in the last episode of the 2005 season, the Heart of the TARDIS is a Space-Time Vortex that contains the whole of Space and Time. To consciously experience what the Heart of the Tardis/The Space Time Vortex experiences is to be simultaneously aware of "everything that is, everything that ever was, and everything that ever will be". No matter where and when your body actually is.

You can just call it the Universe - experienced totally all at once. It is an experience, so is it a point of view? If it is a point of view, it's the same point of view ascribed by humans to God/Brahman/Allah etc. "Everything that is, everything that ever was, and everything that ever will be", experienced all at once.

If it's a point of view, then arguably it's a sentience. But that God-like point of view might not be sentient, or a sentient process, in itself, but merely a (very large) state of being, or a type of experience available to other sentiences. So the Heart of the TARDIS might not necessarily have to be sentient.

Then again, since it contains awareness of all the sentient beings in the Universe, well, that's a lot of a different type of sentience of a sort, which one could think of as being available to tap into like a computer data-base.

In a related way, episode 13 of 2005 tells us the main difference between human beings and timelords.
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#55 May 23 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I FINALLY got around to watching episode 4 last night, so I can catch up on the discussion! This one had really interesting insight into the relationship between the Doctor and the TARDIS; I had never considered the TARDIS as a sentient being before, but it certainly sheds a new light on things. It was also very sad for the Doctor to think he found more Timelords (even though we knew that couldn't actually happen). He was rather angry when he found out the truth. I am just waiting for the day when he gets pushed just far enough and goes apesh*t on everything.


I was hoping they were going to do this after the episode Waters on Mars with Tennant. It would have worked out well, and they almost went with it but they just had to end that episode returning him to 'normal' state of mind. Just when he decided he had enough of just watching and observing and had all the power to intervene and do right, they had to have the character he saved from Mars kill herself, making him realise that ultimately he would fail and do more harm than good.

A real shame, it would be so much fun to see the doctor lose it and go crazy on the universe, Smith might make it look quite good too, he's already got a sligthly eccentric and mad edge to him imo.
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Then again, since it contains awareness of all the sentient beings in the Universe, well, that's a lot of a different type of sentience of a sort, which one could think of as being available to tap into like a computer data-base.


The most recent episode(s6e5) posits an idea that makes this seem even more likely, the fact thatsentience can be contagious. The Flesh constantly has the thoughts/feelings/memories of the workers poured into it, and eventually develops the capacity for independent action. The TARDIS is supposedly aware of all sentient life that ever existed or will ever exist at the same time, not too much of a stretch for that constant near-omniscience to have a similar effect. And the scale of awareness could explain why she developed a unique personality colored by the way the doctor treats her as opposed to The Flesh's mimicry of the few beings its aware of.

side note: why the **** isn't BBCA not in HD yet?
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side note: why the **** isn't BBCA not in HD yet?


When watching Doctor Who, I see that it is available in HD. I'm just assuming my cable provider has not acquired the HD Channel yet. There are quite a few channels I watch that say "In HD Where Available" yet it's not available through Charter here. Namely Cartoon Network and BBC.

Write your cable provider and ask them for the HD channels.
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Am I the only one that found the newest episode a bit lame? The whole doppelganger thing has been done to death. I'm honestly not particularly interested in watching the conclusion.
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Am I the only one that found the newest episode a bit lame? The whole doppelganger thing has been done to death. I'm honestly not particularly interested in watching the conclusion.


I'm really more interested in how the Doctor recognizes the Flesh, maybe it was in a previous episode with the other Doctors? I dunno, I haven't seen them all or remember all the ones I have seen. Or how the Doctor and the Flesh interact.
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#60 May 24 2011 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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Am I the only one that found the newest episode a bit lame? The whole doppelganger thing has been done to death. I'm honestly not particularly interested in watching the conclusion.
What concerns me is the possibility that they can use this to get themselves out of the hole they dug in the first episode. If the doppelganger doctor doesn't die (or another one gets made), then it could easily be one of them that gets killed rather than the real doctor. Frankly, I think that would be a little too easy and I hope it's not the route they take, but I see it as a possibility.
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#61 May 24 2011 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
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Am I the only one that found the newest episode a bit lame? The whole doppelganger thing has been done to death. I'm honestly not particularly interested in watching the conclusion.
What concerns me is the possibility that they can use this to get themselves out of the hole they dug in the first episode. If the doppelganger doctor doesn't die (or another one gets made), then it could easily be one of them that gets killed rather than the real doctor. Frankly, I think that would be a little too easy and I hope it's not the route they take, but I see it as a possibility.


I don't think this is the case. It'd be too obvious and too early on in the season. Plus, the Flesh-Doctor wouldn't have a Tardis and be able to travel across the space/time/universe. Flesh-Doctor would have had to travel to Earth some 200+ years later, travel to Nevada, then go back to 1965 (I think that's when it was. Or maybe they went back to 1965 after the Doctor's death).
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Am I the only one that found the newest episode a bit lame? The whole doppelganger thing has been done to death. I'm honestly not particularly interested in watching the conclusion.

I've tried watching it twice already, and can't stay awake. So yeah, not very good IMO.
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#63 May 25 2011 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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I've finally watched the whole thing now, and I can say it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Apparently I was very tired the previous 2 times I tried watching it.
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#64 May 28 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone watching the series through BBC America won't get to see the second part till June 4th. Apparently they think that due to Memorial Day no one will want to watch the new Doctor Who episode. Well it's a good thing the decided to have a Doctor Who marathon instead. Smiley: oyvey
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Anyone watching the series through BBC America won't get to see the second part till June 4th. Apparently they think that due to Memorial Day no one will want to watch the new Doctor Who episode. Well it's a good thing the decided to have a Doctor Who marathon instead. Smiley: oyvey


My TV was on BBC America all day today. Not really watching it, just kinda... on.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Anyone watching the series through BBC America won't get to see the second part till June 4th. Apparently they think that due to Memorial Day no one will want to watch the new Doctor Who episode. Well it's a good thing the decided to have a Doctor Who marathon instead. Smiley: oyvey


My TV was on BBC America all day today. Not really watching it, just kinda... on.


Nielson ratings still count it as watching though.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Anyone watching the series through BBC America won't get to see the second part till June 4th. Apparently they think that due to Memorial Day no one will want to watch the new Doctor Who episode. Well it's a good thing the decided to have a Doctor Who marathon instead. Smiley: oyvey


My TV was on BBC America all day today. Not really watching it, just kinda... on.


Nielson ratings still count it as watching though.


I'm not part of the Nielsen collective.
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Thanks to the wonders of the internet I was able to give BBC the finger and get me my weekly Dr. fix. The episode was pretty much as bland as I expected it to be given the whole evil twin storyline they had to work with. Nice ending though. They pretty much tied up all the odd bits with Amy and set up the second half of season rather well.
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Somewhat unrelated to the thread, but I was wondering if any of you fine Doctor Who fans might know of a good gift for someone who enjoys the show (I don't watch the show, so I have no idea). :)

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Somewhat unrelated to the thread, but I was wondering if any of you fine Doctor Who fans might know of a good gift for someone who enjoys the show (I don't watch the show, so I have no idea). :)

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A mini-TARDIS makes the perfect gift.

Or a bowtie. Bowties are cool.
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Vataro wrote:
Somewhat unrelated to the thread, but I was wondering if any of you fine Doctor Who fans might know of a good gift for someone who enjoys the show (I don't watch the show, so I have no idea). :)

Edited, Jun 2nd 2011 1:18pm by Vataro
A mini-TARDIS makes the perfect gift.

Or a bowtie. Bowties are cool.


Most of the things here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=dr+who

I personally like the Dalek toys. http://www.discountanimetoys.com/dwdalekmutant.html
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Go to Amazon.com, they have the official remote control Dalek toys being advertised during the show's commercial breaks.
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Yeah, you pretty much can't go wrong with Daleks. Even $2 key-chain daleks or whatever.

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$13 for a freaking keychain? ****.
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It's a Dalek keychain.
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So, right that was an interesting episode and by interesting I mean that I saw it coming. I don't think I can last until September.
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So, right that was an interesting episode and by interesting I mean that I saw it coming. I don't think I can last until September.


Yeah, not that great but not that bad imo either though. I never really doubted that Sung was in jail for having murdered the Doctor, ever since she reappeared really. What other dark secret could she have had regarding him? I didn't however see it coming that she was Amy and Rory's kid though. So I suppose she stole the Doctor's regenerating abilities just to survive herself, although that still can be the flesh version of the Doctor, not the real one I suppose. I'm not sure that the BBC is ready to end the series completely.
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Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night. That being said:

I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).

The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.

I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...

Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?


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Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night.


Being an American with an ounce of sense and a complete disregard for copyright law, I saw it last week. Just saying.
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Being an American with an ounce of sense and a complete disregard for copyright law, I saw it last week. Just saying.

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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night. That being said:

I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).

The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.

I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...

Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?


Edited, Jun 12th 2011 10:01am by TirithRR


Based on the "River/Doctor Flow of Time" and what he said after she died, my guess is that he had not met the girl yet. They might make an episode out of it during the second half of the season.
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Attention, I have found evidence for the following items of interest: why the Doctor brought Amy on board, and how River could have been conceived.


NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uky4qNXum_U NSFW

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So... was my friend right about Amy's kid being River?
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Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
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Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
I won't argue with you on the rushed part. I was surprised to find out so much about River so quickly. Usually Moffat makes you wait a few episodes before giving away anything. In fact, I am a little disappointed because I feel like there's no mystery left to River's character, and that was what made her so exciting.

As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.

As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.

Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.
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Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
I won't argue with you on the rushed part. I was surprised to find out so much about River so quickly. Usually Moffat makes you wait a few episodes before giving away anything. In fact, I am a little disappointed because I feel like there's no mystery left to River's character, and that was what made her so exciting.

As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.

As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.

Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.


I expect a certain amount of it but self fulfilling but this went a little over the top. I just really most upset about how we got a 2 part for a plot device for the flesh that would had been better spent on River's story and pacing or the the heart to heart I'm sure River had with Amy and Rory and she wouldn't even have to spoil anything just a more touching scene then what we got.

I love River and had since "The silence in the Library". You know and the doctor knows the whole time that must always happen and he can only save her mind in the computer. Then the whole thing of him dodging Amy question if he ever had children which in "The Doctor's daughter" he freely admits to having children which we can only assume that in the last one with the master that either the woman was either his mother, wife or his real daughter by birth. Idk about Moffat he better pull a white rabbit out his bum after this and have really good reason to have rushed this.
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Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
I won't argue with you on the rushed part. I was surprised to find out so much about River so quickly. Usually Moffat makes you wait a few episodes before giving away anything. In fact, I am a little disappointed because I feel like there's no mystery left to River's character, and that was what made her so exciting.

As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.

As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.

Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.


I expect a certain amount of it but self fulfilling but this went a little over the top. I just really most upset about how we got a 2 part for a plot device for the flesh that would had been better spent on River's story and pacing or the the heart to heart I'm sure River had with Amy and Rory and she wouldn't even have to spoil anything just a more touching scene then what we got.

I love River and had since "The silence in the Library". You know and the doctor knows the whole time that must always happen and he can only save her mind in the computer. Then the whole thing of him dodging Amy question if he ever had children which in "The Doctor's daughter" he freely admits to having children which we can only assume that in the last one with the master that either the woman was either his mother, wife or his real daughter by birth. Idk about Moffat he better pull a white rabbit out his bum after this and have really good reason to have rushed this.


I think it's accepted that the two female Timelords that appeared hiding their faces with the President were the Doctor's and Master's mothers. My brother mentioned a Podcast. As far as the question of the doctor's daughter and his answer, I think there is more to his life in the older shows (pre-Eccleston), including a female Timelord (not Donna)
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#91 Aug 30 2011 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah its just the needless side stepping I mean it was ok for Donna to know. Lolgaxe said it best in the Bleach thread when he was talking about American comic books being official fanfiction. Moffat should hand over the writing to someone else or hand of running the show to someone else not do both. I jus would like to see move like "The Doctors Wife" and less of 2 parter plot devices like the Flesh. Using the two parts would had been better used for "Lets kill Hitler"
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kinda meh showing this week too. It really getting old the reusing of plots but now its Amy who waits not Rory. Only good point is him and River are the only ones who really call him out on the way things happen with his companions or people close to him. Still the pacing and order of this season is weird.

Also TirithRR sorry never got around to responding to what you brought up but yeah eight was fresh from the time war when he sacrifice all the other time lords to stop their plans. Until the 2005 reboot there were many other time lords. If Amy and Rory are willing to accept his genocide of his own people(noble as it was) why can't they accept he might have had children no reason again for the needless side stepping.

Moffat better be able to pull something out his **** to make this season make sense and reason why its look like it was filmed in a schizophrenic's head
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#93 Sep 12 2011 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
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The last two episodes have been filler, next one also looks like filler. Wtf?
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#94 Sep 12 2011 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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I don't like the mix of main plot episodes they this season. I prefer the mix from past season were every episode drop a little hint or just the something out of place like Bad wolf from season one.

This past one would had been a bit more coherent if Amy and Rory called out the Doctor on the one thing right up there with being stuck for 36 years. Yet Rory doesn't say anything about River or not getting to raise her their own daughter. If Rory had came out and said they were only still traveling with him in hopes of seeing their daughter that would have added a little bit to the story and at least connected it to the first half of the season. Moffat needs to pick a show and and stop Running and writing for two.
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#95 Sep 12 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
Keep in mind that Moffat hasn't written the last two episodes. That's how I always view these filler episodes, as giving someone else a chance to take the lead with the script once in a while. Now don't get me wrong, I agree completely that there should be some connection to the overarching plot. But realize that even last season, not every episode had something to do with with the main theme. Sure, there was a crack in every episode, but in most of the episodes it only showed up at the very end and had absolutely nothing to do with the episode itself. I think why it felt different was because there was so much more mystery behind it. Then, we were all like "WTF is that crack and what does it mean?!?" Whereas now, it's more like "oh man, the Doctor has to prevent himself from dying. Wonder how he'll do it this time..." Less anticipation for this one, especially when the only tease we get to see is the screen with his death date.

So yeah, last season felt more exciting, but I think there was just as much "filler" then as there is in this season. However, I also don't think there's anything wrong with filler. It's unrealistic to expect every single episode to touch on the main plot. Sometimes you just want to have an episode about something else entirely, and not have to worry about shoving the main plot in there. Sure, it would be nice to do that, and it's not impossible, but we shouldn't expect it either. This last episode was still pretty good I thought (yes, the waiting thing has been done before, but I thought they made old Amy different enough (i.e. more cynical and angry) to make it not only feel like its own story, but also more "realistic"). I really appreciated the fact that she called the Doctor out like that; it's always satisfying when that happens and we get a little more perspective on him and see that he is far from perfect.
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I missed the first showing had to wait for the late showing of this weeks episode. This one is ok the Doctor is forced to admit that death just follows him around. Though even this feels a bit of reusing a old plot device to leave his companions with a little bit of a twist. I think Ace left the Doctor for that fact.
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As to the Doctor having children, I think there's a David Tennant episode where they visit a planet at war, where they have machines that grow fully adult soldiers from the DNA of adults. Before the Doctor knows what happened, a machine spits out a 20-something woman who has his DNA, and is his daughter by genetic standards.

Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.

I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.

Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.



I kept thinking that during the episode. That Rory waited and protected Amy for 2000 years, never getting to see her, and only relying on the Doctor's Word that she was even still alive. But Rory never brought it up. Forgetful writing from the writers, probably. But easily explained off by Rory's personality being very timid around Amy. I don't think he'd have the balls to stand up to her in a moment like that.

I did enjoy the last episode, with the hotel and fears. I am curious what the Doctor saw in his room. If it was even anyone. I'd imagine, given the direction the episode went, that being alone was his greatest fear. His "Of course, it could only be you" moment could have been a kind of ironic statement, that the room was actually empty.

I'm also curious how they plan on wrapping up this season with pretty much every episode in the second half so far being filler and non-story related characterization moments.
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As to the Doctor having children, I think there's a David Tennant episode where they visit a planet at war, where they have machines that grow fully adult soldiers from the DNA of adults. Before the Doctor knows what happened, a machine spits out a 20-something woman who has his DNA, and is his daughter by genetic standards.

Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.

I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.

Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.


You never seen "I didn't know I was pregnant". As far as companions getting the shaft this is right up there with Donna and Jack.There was spoilers on TWOP site and the last episode is titled "The wedding of River Song" He will be going back to Lake Silencio. only two main story plots episodes with one hint episode in the sec half of the season. Only reason I can think of is they wanted a cliff hanger for the mid season break.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.



I kept thinking that during the episode. That Rory waited and protected Amy for 2000 years, never getting to see her, and only relying on the Doctor's Word that she was even still alive. But Rory never brought it up. Forgetful writing from the writers, probably. But easily explained off by Rory's personality being very timid around Amy. I don't think he'd have the balls to stand up to her in a moment like that.

I did enjoy the last episode, with the hotel and fears. I am curious what the Doctor saw in his room. If it was even anyone. I'd imagine, given the direction the episode went, that being alone was his greatest fear. His "Of course, it could only be you" moment could have been a kind of ironic statement, that the room was actually empty.

I'm also curious how they plan on wrapping up this season with pretty much every episode in the second half so far being filler and non-story related characterization moments.


I think he saw himself, or River maybe but my money's on himself.
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I seem to recall that Rory doesn't remember the 2000 years he waited most of the time. As he described it, it's like a door in his mind that he can only occasionally open.
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