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#102 May 17 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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If you read the HBO GoT site, the actor playing The Mountain is actually really 7 foot tall in real life. He just doens't come across that way in episode 4 because he isn't standing still next to any of the shorter actors. The actor playing the Hound is only a few inches off 7 foot himself (like in the books), so again, The Mountain doesn't look that big next to him.

They've given him a big horse to carry the weight, and a sword that matches as well, so you have to pay attention to actually get the scale of the actor. Try watching Loras on the ground near where The Mountain and The Hound fight, and later watch The Mountain push through the crowd when King Robert halts the fight.

The actor playing Hodor is halfway between 6 and 7 feet, and the one playing Drogo is the fourth tallest actor at about 6"4'
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#103 May 17 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
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#104 May 17 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
No movies, just the HBO series, which will be 10 episodes. 5 are out now.

The books can be slow, especially since the first is based primarily on intrigue and a lack of action (same with the series). If you read the books first you'll get a BIG spoiler before it comes out in the TV series near the end of the season (and vice versa). The books are worth reading due to all the background you miss in the show, but the show is extremely well done up to this point, despite having to make some cuts and snips here and there to make it all fit.

Also, you can like Tyrion all you want. 4 books in and he hasn't snuffed it yet... which is more than I can say for a lot of other characters Smiley: sly

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#105 May 17 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
No movies, just the HBO series, which will be 10 episodes. 5 are out now.


Also, the series has already been re-upped for a second season, so presumably there'll be another 10-ish episodes down the pike.
#106 May 17 2011 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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TV series not movie, and THANK GOD, because they couldn't have fitted the plot of the books into a movie, even three movies. It had to be a series from the start.

I'm curious as to what made the characters irritating for you. It's been years since I read the books.

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#107 May 19 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
TV series not movie, and THANK GOD, because they couldn't have fitted the plot of the books into a movie, even three movies. It had to be a series from the start.

I'm curious as to what made the characters irritating for you. It's been years since I read the books.

Edited, May 17th 2011 3:19pm by Aripyanfar
For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
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For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book. It's not until you get chapters in his view that he starts showing anything more than arrogance... although to be fair, it's mostly because he's almost solely arrogant up until that point.
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#109 May 19 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
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For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book. It's not until you get chapters in his view that he starts showing anything more than arrogance... although to be fair, it's mostly because he's almost solely arrogant up until that point.


I find it interesting though, because most of my character empathy comes from hearing their inner monologue, even if they're not good people. They become much more 'real' when you hear things from their perspective, even if they're outwardly just acting like a caricature (as Jaime appears to do for most of the series).

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#110 May 19 2011 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Huh. While it is easier for me to be attached (and have a greater attachment) to a Point of View character, who has an inner monologue, I also frequently get attached (in all degrees) to characters in books who have no inner monologue. They can be just as 'real' to me as point of view characters.



The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, and Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoyevsky are both interesting reads because the protagonists of those books are bad men, to greater and lesser extents, over the course of the books.
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#111 May 19 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
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Spoonless the Silent wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
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Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
How so? I really can't think of a point where he's not simply shown as arrogant *** (but a brilliant warrior) until he gets a POV in the third book.

-We don't learn why he killed Aerys
-While Cersei does complain about him attempting to kill Bran in both the shows and in the books, he never shows remorse
-In his conversations with Catelyn in the second book, he is an *** the entire way through. The ONLY look we get into any other feelings are when it comes to his sister


I feel a lot of the one-dimensionalness is from his reputation more than anything else. Since he doesn't get a POV chapter, we only hear about his actions, and others' presumptions of his motives. Once you know WHY he acted as he did, and once he starts questioning everything in his life, then he takes on a new dimension. Until then he's the arrogant but gifted soldier.

Edit: If anything he's a wild card. Since we never get in his head (in third-person view), the bets he comes off as is mysterious. But it's mysterious in a "where's the crazy guy" way, not the "what makes him tick" way.

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#114 May 20 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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Of all the non-POV characters, Barristan and the Blackfish are probably my favorites. They're two of the few who seem good, competent, and level-headed.

Plus, they're both kinda old, but they still kick major ***. That's awesome.
#115 May 21 2011 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
LockeColeMA wrote:
Turin wrote:
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
How so? I really can't think of a point where he's not simply shown as arrogant *** (but a brilliant warrior) until he gets a POV in the third book.
We do get to see and hear about his absolute love and caring for his brother, even though the father hates Tyrion. That's at least hinting that he might have a softer side to him.
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#116 May 22 2011 at 9:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can watch episode 7 right now without waiting for next week if you have an HBO subscription of some sorts at hbogo.com. Assuming you don't want to wait. Thats the one where things start to get interesting...
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#117 May 22 2011 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
I've been waiting for the Viserys to get his crown since the series began. Favorite part of the book.
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#118 May 23 2011 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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And wasn't it so well done? I watched the very end of the last scene in episode 6 several times, because I wanted to get down Daenery's last phrase. It gave me such a frisson when I first heard her say it. Perfect close to the episode.

Anyway, what happened just before her line was just perfect movie magic. I know it wasn't really done, but I can't pick a hole in the effects. Totally, supremely convincing. The producers lived up to that incredible moment in the book.
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#119 May 23 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books. Certainly not deserving of having molten gold poured over his head, at least.

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And wasn't it so well done? I watched the very end of the last scene in episode 6 several times, because I wanted to get down Daenery's last phrase. It gave me such a frisson when I first heard her say it. Perfect close to the episode.

Anyway, what happened just before her line was just perfect movie magic. I know it wasn't really done, but I can't pick a hole in the effects. Totally, supremely convincing. The producers lived up to that incredible moment in the book.


All in all, probably my favorite episode so far (but no Jon Snow Smiley: glare). Some really great lines in there.

"Tyrion: I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel-
Lysa: SILENCE!
Robin: ... what happened next?

Lysa: "You don't fight with honor!"
Bronn: "No. He did!"

Dany: "He was no dragon. Fire cannot kill... a dragon."

Overall, great episode! And things really start to heat up from here... and people start to die! I'm excited Smiley: grin

Edit: I was a little surprised at the nudity. Nothing different than a rated R movie (Oh hello thar, Devil's Advocate), but I'm not used to seeing below-the-belt nudity on TV. I guess last episode had that with Theon as well, now that I think of it.

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#121 May 23 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books.


Yeah. I'm going to reread the series when dance with dragon comes out, but I seem to remember wanting the guy dead much more than that by that point in the book.
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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books.


Yeah. I'm going to reread the series when dance with dragon comes out, but I seem to remember wanting the guy dead much more than that by that point in the book.


Yeah, I did a little fist pump to myself when I read that part. In the show, I think I just said "Ouch, man...that's pretty harsh."
#123 May 23 2011 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
As the one who has read the first book most recently (just 6 months ago), I can say you are all correct about Viserys. His fate seems much more deserved in the books, as we haven't seen quite as much of him in the show. HOWEVER, I will also add that the people in my group who have not read the book at all still felt that he got what he deserved. They just don't truly know how much hate the rest of us had for him.
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As the one who has read the first book most recently (just 6 months ago), I can say you are all correct about Viserys. His fate seems much more deserved in the books, as we haven't seen quite as much of him in the show. HOWEVER, I will also add that the people in my group who have not read the book at all still felt that he got what he deserved. They just don't truly know how much hate the rest of us had for him.
Viserys is cruel and petty, but man, Joffrey is pure evil.

BIG SPOILER:
Rereading the third book, COMPLETELY forgot that it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran.
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#125 May 26 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's a girl thing, but Viserys "just" holding his sword tip to his sister's womb and threatening to cut her fetus out of her (not something she is likely to survive either) was enough to make me feel satisfaction at him being crowned, rather than pity.

I've been reading the HBO boards, and it's hilarious the amount of viewers who haven't been coping with the violence in the show. This really is not-for-the-faint-of-heart adult entertainment. Smiley: lol
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I've been reading the HBO boards, and it's hilarious the amount of viewers who haven't been coping with the violence in the show. This really is not-for-the-faint-of-heart adult entertainment. Smiley: lol
Did they read the series? I think the violence has been mostly accurate up to this point. With so much going on though it's easy to overlook just how it would ACTUALLY look when seen instead of read. Same thing with the nudity, really.



Just finished rereading the third book last night. I forgot how extremely awesome the last few chapters were: Tyrion killing his father, Jon Snow's election, and Petyr killing Lysa. Probably my favorite part of the series.
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