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#1 Feb 14 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Ulquiorra has unleashed his sword & stands more powerful than Ichigo. I'm guessing he's going to get some help with this one, as the Vizhards (the focus of the flashback chapters) haven't been seen yet.

Otherwise we can look forward to another lengthy battle, or intervention by the other captains in Menos Noches...

Ishida might intervene, but I doubt he can touch Uliquiorra in his released state.



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#2 Feb 14 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I suppose we can rest assured that Ichigo won't get killed, but perhaps it's time for another meeting with his Zanpakutou in that other world.

Maybe his inner hollow will try and uproot him again, although his state of mind isn't as messed up as it was the last time that happened.

I doubt that the Vaizard will come help him, they'll be focused on Aizen, if Kisuke hasn't given them any orders stating otherwise. They owe him some payback I suppose. They should be just as powerful if not more than the Captains, it's best to keep them as back-up.

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#3 Feb 14 2009 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I had to stop reading Bleach when I realised the trend of stacking one deus-ex machina on top of another, the formulaic battles (Ichigo gets cut the @#%^ up, learns some badass move he couldn't learn without losing most of his spirit-blood and then pounds whoever he was fighting), the total inconsistency of power levels of characters coupled with explosive growth of everyone for really no reason at all (and no, I don't mean Ichigo here, I could accept it if it was just him) apart from the fact that the author was short-sighted enough to make his character become incredibly powerful very quickly yet still wanted to give him seemingly insurmountable battles in rapid succession, was not going to stop at any point.

I believe the author said he doesn't plan the plot ahead and @#%^ me it shows. Jesus H Christ.

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#4 Feb 14 2009 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Unfortunately, most of these types of anime/mangas are pretty formulaic. Ordinary person gets/discovers extraordinary powers/abilities, person gets defeated by someone with better powers/abilities, person gets/discovers/is taught even greater powers, goes on to defeat previous other person, repeat steps two through four. All we can really hope for is either an interesting story driving said formula, or in case of a parody of the formula (like One Piece), laughs.

Edited, Feb 15th 2009 1:17am by lolgaxe
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#5 Mar 14 2009 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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i don't read manga in bleach i like the story in anime.. seeing what happen in the previous captains in the soul society.. sounds great the time creating a vizard.. haha.. ^^,
#6 Mar 14 2009 at 4:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, it might get interesting next week, I'm not even sure any Captain is powerful enough to stand up to Ulquiorra in his espada² form.
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How far away is the anime from the manga right now, and are they still in filler mode? I've got about 20 episodes to catch up on and I don't want it to be like the time I downloaded and watched 15~ episodes of shippuden only to have them almost all be filler.. (or so fail that they seemed like filler.)
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#8 Mar 14 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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At current the anime is at episode -99 of the manga. Almost at an end of the flashback episodes. You could say chapter 314 if they'ld have kept the regular count, latest chapter released was 349 btw, so there's some time before a new filler I hope.

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#9 Mar 14 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, it might get interesting next week, I'm not even sure any Captain is powerful enough to stand up to Ulquiorra in his espada² form.
Meh, it'd be more interesting if you couldn't predict what's going to happen.

And I swear, if it's another **** filler about playing soccer or baking a cake, I'll go to Japan and personally maim each and every person associated with the production.

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#10 Mar 15 2009 at 11:59 PM Rating: Good
I should have gone with the obvious answer: Ichigo will somehow tranform into something even more powerful.

This time with long hair.
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#11 Mar 17 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
I should have gone with the obvious answer: Ichigo will somehow tranform into something even more powerful.

This time with long hair.


Smiley: lol SSJ3 Ichigo would be awesome.
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#12 Mar 17 2009 at 9:57 PM Rating: Good
SUPER-BANKAI-HOLLOWFICATION-YA!
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#13 Mar 18 2009 at 3:32 AM Rating: Decent
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And once it's in the anime, it'll be about four weeks worth of him screaming and powering up and everyone standing around being totally amazed.
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#14 Mar 19 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Hurm.
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#15 Mar 19 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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*Spoilers*

Who could have possibly predicted that he would get stronger?!?!?!?!?!?
#16 Mar 19 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
You gotta admit, Viking-Ichigo is a cool visual.
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#17 Mar 19 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
You gotta admit, Viking-Ichigo is a cool visual.


Yeah, also one that won't really inspire much amazement in his friends. At this point, we're not even sure if it's really Ichigo or in what state he's in.
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You gotta admit, Viking-Ichigo is a cool visual.
I pictured Techno-Viking-Ichigo, and I laughed.
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#19 Jul 02 2009 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Finally, the Vaizards enter the scene.

Those captains sure are fairly useless though, poor Ukitake, I do wonder where Urahara is.

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The problem I see is that the Vizard aren't very well developed as far as combat prowess. Jushiro and Shunsui are the 3rdf and fourth if not 2nd and 3rd most powerful captains. They were struggling against the Primera. Hitsugaya and Soifon are fairly competent and struggled against the 2nd and 3rd Espada. Sure, many of the Vizard used to be captain level, but now they've got the devilish trio, the espada, and Wonderweiss to deal with. It's a tough sale to believe they're capable of taking that.

Straw Hat is overdue for a combat appearance, so it's quite possible he may join in the Karakura fight.

As for Yami? 50% chance Kenpachi decides to go again, 30% chance Unohana my show off her stuff (but only if he's truly 0 level), 10% friends of Ichigo take him on and 10% Kisuke decides to open up a portal to Las Noches.
#21 Jul 02 2009 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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And 110% chance we find out Aizen was just being manipulated by an even greater force.
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#22 Jul 02 2009 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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And 110% chance we find out Aizen was just being manipulated by an even greater force.


Smiley: lol
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#23 Jul 02 2009 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem I see is that the Vizard aren't very well developed as far as combat prowess. Jushiro and Shunsui are the 3rdf and fourth if not 2nd and 3rd most powerful captains. They were struggling against the Primera. Hitsugaya and Soifon are fairly competent and struggled against the 2nd and 3rd Espada. Sure, many of the Vizard used to be captain level, but now they've got the devilish trio, the espada, and Wonderweiss to deal with. It's a tough sale to believe they're capable of taking that.

Straw Hat is overdue for a combat appearance, so it's quite possible he may join in the Karakura fight.

As for Yami? 50% chance Kenpachi decides to go again, 30% chance Unohana my show off her stuff (but only if he's truly 0 level), 10% friends of Ichigo take him on and 10% Kisuke decides to open up a portal to Las Noches.


I'm pretty sure that the Vaizards are about as powerful as that hollow Ichigo, if not more powerful. Ofcourse, that was against the fourth espada, so no idea if that would be enough against that Wonderweiss who just took out a captain with one casual blow.

Shunsui for some reason hasn't gotten to bankai yet, I doubt he's out for the fight against that Primera.

I am still hoping Kisuke joins the fight and shows his bankai, I recall he once told Sado that he couldn't train him as his bankai was too lethal.

I did expect all the fights to get a bit dragged out more, it seemingly goes rather swiftly to be honest. (especially compared to the fighting Ichigo and co did in Las Noches)
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#24 Jul 02 2009 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
A lot of back & forth here, but I liked this chapter. Aizen FINALLY makes an appearance, as do the Vizhards.

By all rights, the captains shouldn't be doing **** to the Espada outside of Bankai. So, I'd say they've done a good job holding them off so far. Remember, Ichigo was stronger than Grimmjow in Hollow-Mask-Bankai form (god that sounds queer) so the Vizhards should be on par with the Espada, even when they release.

Kisuke & Yourichi should be showing up soon to help out the Captains while, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease, hopefully we'll see Kenpachi's bankai vs Yammi.
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#25 Jul 03 2009 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure that the Vaizards are about as powerful as that hollow Ichigo, if not more powerful. Ofcourse, that was against the fourth espada, so no idea if that would be enough against that Wonderweiss who just took out a captain with one casual blow.


If you recall, a long time ago, Shinji was fighting grimmjow. Even though he said he was not holding back, it really seemed like he was taking it easy. If though grimmjow did not release, it's pretty obvious that Shinji could of probably easily handled him. That being said it took Ichigo a lot of work to defeat Grimmjow. Also, we should assume Shinji posses bankai since he was a former captain.

I still expect another god out of the machine down the road.
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I'm pretty sure that the Vaizards are about as powerful as that hollow Ichigo, if not more powerful. Ofcourse, that was against the fourth espada, so no idea if that would be enough against that Wonderweiss who just took out a captain with one casual blow.


If you recall, a long time ago, Shinji was fighting grimmjow. Even though he said he was not holding back, it really seemed like he was taking it easy. If though grimmjow did not release, it's pretty obvious that Shinji could of probably easily handled him. That being said it took Ichigo a lot of work to defeat Grimmjow. Also, we should assume Shinji posses bankai since he was a former captain.

I still expect another god out of the machine down the road.


They're definitely as strong as the hollow Ichigo that fought Grimmjow. Ichigo's a prodigy of some kind, so I'm not sure if the remaining Vaizards are as powerful as the Ichigo that went berserk and killed of that fourth espada Ulquiorra.

To be of any use to the story though, they'ld have to be a lot stronger than Ichigo's level against Grimmjow, seriously stronger.

It's ofcourse very difficult to judge the strength of a character based on previous fights.
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#27 Jul 03 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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On a slightly different note: the anime next week will bring the beginning of a new series of fillers.

Woohoo, really can't wait Smiley: oyvey
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It's ofcourse very difficult to judge the strength of a character based on previous fights.


In Bleach, yeah, it sure is.
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#29 Jul 10 2009 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
So, nothing really happened.
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#30 Jul 10 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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They ... um ... talked. Next chapter they'll approach their enemies and make small talk.
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#31 Jul 11 2009 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Dragon Bleach Zero.
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#32 Jul 11 2009 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Dragon Bleach Zero.


Nowhere near as bad imo, the fights so far between the captains and the espada went rather quickly. Granted, none are finished yet, but still Smiley: lol
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#33 Jul 15 2009 at 5:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of the Bleach anime filler episodes, I just saw the new one, and all I have to say is holy fan service batman! It was a nice light amusing episode that I'm sure Allegory will hate.
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366 is out, action action action, no real content, "cliffhanger" ending.

So I was wrong, still nothing really interesting happened. Smiley: motz

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#35 Jul 16 2009 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
The Vizard showed their stuff against a bunch of throw away Menos Grande.

It was neat, but didn't really move the plot along any farther.

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#36 Jul 16 2009 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The author was trying to sell the Vizard as extremely capable before throwing them in a fight against Aizen. It was a bland, but necessary segment.
#37 Jul 24 2009 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
Not much happened, yet again.

/pout
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#38 Jul 24 2009 at 2:49 AM Rating: Decent
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This happened, and this is good enough for me.

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#39 Jul 25 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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This happened, and this is good enough for me.

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It's fun finding contentment in simple things! Smiley: grin
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#40 Jul 31 2009 at 4:06 AM Rating: Decent
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This week: Something almost happened! Give it another month or two and a sword might even be swung! Boy, I sure can't wait.

To be honest, I don't even know why I'm still reading it at this point.
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#41 Jul 31 2009 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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This week: Something almost happened! Give it another month or two and a sword might even be swung! Boy, I sure can't wait.

To be honest, I don't even know why I'm still reading it at this point.


Because there's plenty of other things to read that are worse than this?

And you just have to know who's going to off Aizen when all is done?
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I'm hoping its Don Kanonji.
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#43 Jul 31 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Default
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Name me a manga worse than Bleach. I'm serious, I can't think of one. I mean, there must be one, I guess. I just haven't, you know, seen it.
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Name me a manga worse than Bleach. I'm serious, I can't think of one. I mean, there must be one, I guess. I just haven't, you know, seen it.

Easy, Ubel Blatt. Oh, and One Piece. But yeah, there are many more.
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I'm hoping its Don Kanonji.

What a twist!
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Name me a manga worse than Bleach. I'm serious, I can't think of one. I mean, there must be one, I guess. I just haven't, you know, seen it.

Easy, Ubel Blatt. Oh, and One Piece. But yeah, there are many more.
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I'm hoping its Don Kanonji.

What a twist!


I don't know either of those manga. Well, I know One Piece exists, I just feel no desire to read it. And lucky me, if it's worse than Bleach. It must be pretty dire. Out of interest, what's its most crippling fault? Is it power creep? Awful characters? Wallbanging plot?
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Kavekk wrote:
Out of interest, what's its most crippling fault? Is it power creep? Awful characters? Wallbanging plot?


Like 95% of the manga, comics, books and movies out there.
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Out of interest, what's its most crippling fault? Is it power creep? Awful characters? Wallbanging plot?


Like 95% of the manga, comics, books and movies out there.


You quoted the wrong part of my post. Unsurprising, really. I mean, if you like Bleach, you can't be very literate.

Nah, but seriously, I disagree. I mean, there's a ton of **** but Bleach is really bad. I'd say more like 50%.
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Kavekk wrote:
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Kavekk wrote:
Out of interest, what's its most crippling fault? Is it power creep? Awful characters? Wallbanging plot?


Like 95% of the manga, comics, books and movies out there.


You quoted the wrong part of my post. Unsurprising, really. I mean, if you like Bleach, you can't be very literate.

Nah, but seriously, I disagree. I mean, there's a ton of sh*t, but Bleach is really bad. I'd say more like 50%.


I actually have to disagree with you, Bleach is no better or worse than about 95% imo.

Ofcourse, blindly quoting statistics is pretty worthless, 60% of all people know that much. Smiley: nod
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Ok, let me list some things I think are better than Bleach:

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Bleach (the drink), Iron Maiden (the torture device)

Agreed?

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#50 Aug 01 2009 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
I have a love/hate relationship with the Bleach manga.
Lately, it's mostly hate.

I used to buy the American Shoenen Jump a few years ago & honestly, I didn't mind the One Piece manga. I was also entertained by Yu Yu Hashuko & Naruto.

The reason I enjoyed them, for the most part, was the art was all pretty good.

I have been very disappointed with their Anime adaptations.
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Ok, let me list some things I think are better than Bleach:

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Bleach (the drink), Iron Maiden (the torture device)

Agreed?



No, sorry. TROF was ultimately too boring to be good (that second half of the movie should have been way shorter), never drank Bleach so I can't comment on that and I might agree on that Iron Maiden thing though, fun to see it used!
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