Theres quite a few things on here already about people ******** over others, but heres one more XD
Normally I wouldnt bother because it takes me too much time since I fail at the computer, but this one was amusing.
Last night a buddy of mine, Gavian, did a bcnm40 with Valdan. PCC dropped on Gavian's orb so Valdan kicked him from the party and lotted the PCC himself and logged out.
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Valdan claims he was trying to set QM, but hit disband accidentally. well in the first screenshot you clearly see he gets the PCC :P
i'm sure everyone has heard of someone doing this before, but that's not the amusing part. I liked the part where the GM says it was very rude of Valdan to do that, but it's their right to do it because they are the party leader. apparently SE encourages ripping people off.
Yes i'm aware it's gavian's fault for not getting QM before going in, or maybe he did and it was removed before opening the chest, i dont know.
i apologize if Valdan has already been warned against on here, and i also apologize for the Screenshots being crappy :P Gavian plays on ps2. also, if i was supposed to darken out names like i see on other screenshots every now and then, i apologize again lol... i dont use these forums too often
One last note... some people from my LS said that he's been trying to do that with the ENM for Hagun, so beware.
Edited, Oct 30th 2008 7:38pm by Cadant
Edited, Oct 30th 2008 7:39pm by Cadant
Edited, Sep 10th 2009 9:30am by Darqflame
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#2
Oct 30 2008 at 3:52 PM
thanks for posting the pics for me cad I got a tell from some one in whitegate saying that valdan had stolen a KS99 chest from them I would also like to thank the other nin ebekin in the party who sent me the pic of valdan getting the PCC after he booted me from the party
#3
Oct 30 2008 at 4:39 PM
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Did you guys make an agreement before you entered the BC? Y.O.Y.D etc
If you did you should note the time around when it was said and told the GM, otherwise they wont know exactly what your situation is, even though it is obvious to us.. judging from the screenshots up in post #1 the GM doesn't understand why you would feel/have been ripped off.
I have been in afew troublesome events/situations, one of which would seem mediocre where i responded to someone shouting for a teleport for 2k gil, in /tell this person insisted i teleport before payment, so i tele'd and afterwards this person disbanded and left me a nice /tell of abuse, said i was dumb~ an stuff, anyway after that i called a gm and explained what this person said to me along with not paying(only 2k i know >.>, and the gm explained that as long as there was an aggrement of some sort he could assist me. All i had todo was tell the gm the aprox time it happend and what was said (person shouted* for 2k reward etc) and afew hours later i was taken to Moridon gaol and the gm traded me 2k gil he said the person was warnned.
Alot to read but this sort of crap doesn't have to be putup with, be it scammers in any form. I would probably try another call and explain it from start to finish if you cn remember the time frame.
If you did you should note the time around when it was said and told the GM, otherwise they wont know exactly what your situation is, even though it is obvious to us.. judging from the screenshots up in post #1 the GM doesn't understand why you would feel/have been ripped off.
I have been in afew troublesome events/situations, one of which would seem mediocre where i responded to someone shouting for a teleport for 2k gil, in /tell this person insisted i teleport before payment, so i tele'd and afterwards this person disbanded and left me a nice /tell of abuse, said i was dumb~ an stuff, anyway after that i called a gm and explained what this person said to me along with not paying(only 2k i know >.>, and the gm explained that as long as there was an aggrement of some sort he could assist me. All i had todo was tell the gm the aprox time it happend and what was said (person shouted* for 2k reward etc) and afew hours later i was taken to Moridon gaol and the gm traded me 2k gil he said the person was warnned.
Alot to read but this sort of crap doesn't have to be putup with, be it scammers in any form. I would probably try another call and explain it from start to finish if you cn remember the time frame.
#4
Oct 30 2008 at 5:05 PM
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i'm sure everyone has heard of someone doing this before, but that's not the amusing part. I liked the part where the GM says it was very rude of Valdan to do that, but it's their right to do it because they are the party leader. apparently SE encourages ripping people off.
GM policy is that an item cannot be considered "stolen" if it was never in the person's inventory to begin with (that is, it was still in the treasure pool). Even if you discussed terms beforehand and then he clearly ripped off your item from the pool afterward, it's still out of their "jurisdiction".
It would be different than, say, you give your item to a crafter, he crafts it, makes an HQ and decides to keep it... in that case, the item was stolen and it definitely was in your inventory at one point, and GMs can bust the crafter for pulling a stunt like that.
Of course, it's still ********* just telling you how they see it.
#5
Oct 30 2008 at 8:39 PM
It was a your orb your drop I asked before I had even joined the party. I figured he would set QM on his own since I had been talking to him before our first run which was my orb. He seemed like a decent enough person like most people on the game are. I actually believed that the item had been lost until the other party member scrolled up an said he stole it cause he lotted it an it it showed him obtaining the item. He was even offering his own orb to me but then soon after I had said I was calling a GM started having connection issues. Finally DCing he came back noticed we were still standing there an DC'd again. All this being said I've been playing this game a long time now and currently after this event don't feel like playing this game again. Might not purchase any future SE product either . Also if anyone happens to kow the wearabouts of Valdans RL home I would be happy to obtain them so I can promptly punch them in the teeth. See ya'll around.
#6
Oct 31 2008 at 3:10 AM
Sorry about some douche bag stealing your drop, he has done it in the past on PCC on other people. Wish your GM's played the game then they might know how YOYD is done like most all other games are gamers turned GM, yet another reason why GM's fail in FFXI.
#7
Oct 31 2008 at 3:53 AM
That sucks Gavian. Sorry it happened. Hopefully someone can give this guy a swift kick in the nuts.
As for the GM, yeah, there's nothing they can do in this situation. While I don't agree with it, the GM isn't trying to encourage rip-offs. What he IS encouraging, is that you make damn sure that when it's your orb, YOU are the leader. Don't enter the BC until you have that little dot by your name. Not even QM is acceptable (that can be changed any time by the leader), ONLY leader.
As for the GM, yeah, there's nothing they can do in this situation. While I don't agree with it, the GM isn't trying to encourage rip-offs. What he IS encouraging, is that you make damn sure that when it's your orb, YOU are the leader. Don't enter the BC until you have that little dot by your name. Not even QM is acceptable (that can be changed any time by the leader), ONLY leader.
#8
Oct 31 2008 at 4:49 AM
chluke wrote:
As for the GM, yeah, there's nothing they can do in this situation. While I don't agree with it, the GM isn't trying to encourage rip-offs. What he IS encouraging, is that you make damn sure that when it's your orb, YOU are the leader. Don't enter the BC until you have that little dot by your name. Not even QM is acceptable (that can be changed any time by the leader), ONLY leader.
Which is why whenever I do a BC/KS I always ask for QM AND Leader. Also, why is Quartermaster still not auto-translated?
#9
Oct 31 2008 at 7:23 AM
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Valdan claims he was trying to set QM, but hit disband accidentally. well in the first screenshot you clearly see he gets the PCC :P
lol yeah right, if that was the case why didnt he just give the PCC back, this one isnt RARE/EX.
#10
Oct 31 2008 at 7:58 AM
Yes there are certain things that fall into the category of being a complete ******* yet are not against the ToS. In this case it isn't even worth the frustration of calling a GM. Take the very hard taught lesson: never do pickup BCNMs on your orb, your drop without ensuring you have both QM and leader when it is your turn.
Other than that, I hope this guy's reputation takes a harder hit than what a PCC is worth.
Other than that, I hope this guy's reputation takes a harder hit than what a PCC is worth.
#11
Oct 31 2008 at 11:52 AM
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As for the GM, yeah, there's nothing they can do in this situation. While I don't agree with it, the GM isn't trying to encourage rip-offs. What he IS encouraging, is that you make damn sure that when it's your orb, YOU are the leader. Don't enter the BC until you have that little dot by your name. Not even QM is acceptable (that can be changed any time by the leader), ONLY leader.
This is the best advice to follow if you're forced to do BCNMs with people that you think are shady. I generally do split pot BCNMs with friends only though, so I rarely have to bother with something like this.
We use quartermaster though, just to make sure that the loot falls quickly to the orb user after the BCNM is won, and that we don't leave the BCNM area prematurely before actually confirming that someone has lotted AND collected the spoils (way back in my noob days, I lost an Erase scroll this way... and this was back when Erase was not cheap ; ;)
#12
Oct 31 2008 at 4:46 PM
I hope the PCC doesn't choke him.
#14
Oct 31 2008 at 6:31 PM
I wonder who would win the biggest prick on Lakshmi award?
#15
Oct 31 2008 at 8:28 PM
youssarian wrote:
I wonder who would win the biggest prick on Lakshmi award?
I think it should be expanded to those who used to be, but are no longer on Lakshmi. That way, Firsto is still a candidate.
#16
Nov 01 2008 at 4:41 PM
I asked Valdan about this. He says he didn't do it, and here's his version of the story.
1) After Gavian lotted his 261, Valdan accidently lotted when he meant to pass and lotted 250. Ooops.
2) After accidently lotting a losing bid, he attempted to give Gavian quartermaster so he could get all his stuff easily. But when he did this, oops again, he accidently kicked Gavian.
3) His Internet connection goes out! Oh no!
4) He didn't even still have the PCC because he already had one and the game wouldn't let him hold two. So, he couldn't give it back. See this proves it, why would he lot it when he already has one. So when you see him wearing a PCC, just remember he's had it already.
This is his story and I found it very ammusing. He says he offered his orb to make up for the lost PCC. Also, he says the fact the GM didn't do anything means he didn't get the PCC.
Valdan you are a complete douche. I hope this PCC incident follows you around your entire time playing FFXI.
Edited, Nov 1st 2008 7:42pm by VawnLakshmi
1) After Gavian lotted his 261, Valdan accidently lotted when he meant to pass and lotted 250. Ooops.
2) After accidently lotting a losing bid, he attempted to give Gavian quartermaster so he could get all his stuff easily. But when he did this, oops again, he accidently kicked Gavian.
3) His Internet connection goes out! Oh no!
4) He didn't even still have the PCC because he already had one and the game wouldn't let him hold two. So, he couldn't give it back. See this proves it, why would he lot it when he already has one. So when you see him wearing a PCC, just remember he's had it already.
This is his story and I found it very ammusing. He says he offered his orb to make up for the lost PCC. Also, he says the fact the GM didn't do anything means he didn't get the PCC.
Valdan you are a complete douche. I hope this PCC incident follows you around your entire time playing FFXI.
Edited, Nov 1st 2008 7:42pm by VawnLakshmi
#17
Nov 01 2008 at 4:56 PM
VawnLakshmi wrote:
4) He didn't even still have the PCC because he already had one and the game wouldn't let him hold two. So, he couldn't give it back. See this proves it, why would he lot it when he already has one. So when you see him wearing a PCC, just remember he's had it already.
Ha! If this were true, it wouldn't have let him lot at all. Someone didn't think their story through all the way.
#18
Nov 01 2008 at 6:15 PM
thats 100% true you cannot lot an item when its rare when you have it anywhere on you or in and MH section, so val is full of poo.
#19
Nov 01 2008 at 8:00 PM
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4) He didn't even still have the PCC because he already had one and the game wouldn't let him hold two. So, he couldn't give it back. See this proves it, why would he lot it when he already has one. So when you see him wearing a PCC, just remember he's had it already.
Confirming that this is ********* you absolutely cannot lot a rare if you already have it. The only way you could do this is if you had it in either your delivery inbox or outbox slots.
Not that it wasn't already obvious that this guy was a scumbag to begin with.
#20
Nov 02 2008 at 4:28 AM
And who would keep their PCC in their outbox or in their delivery box?
Kind of the worst place to put such an item.
Kind of the worst place to put such an item.
#21
Nov 02 2008 at 5:27 AM
shykre wrote:
And who would keep their PCC in their outbox or in their delivery box?
Kind of the worst place to put such an item.
Kind of the worst place to put such an item.
Well if this is his next excuse then he could indeed have two. And he could have given the one he "accidently" stole back to the rightful owner.
#22
Nov 02 2008 at 12:15 PM
He could vote Shykre, I think he could explain this forever on-going election 1 party theo-monarchistic democracy better than I could!
All in all, vote Shykre!
All in all, vote Shykre!
#23
Nov 02 2008 at 12:17 PM
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/index.html wrote:
Article 4: User Disputes
You shall be solely responsible for resolving any and all disputes that may arise between you and other Game players or PlayOnline users in connection with the Game or your use of PlayOnline, and for paying any and all expenses incurred by you in connection with resolving such dispute. SEI shall not be responsible for mediating or resolving any such disputes and shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any costs, fees, expenses, damages or other losses incurred in connection with or as a result of any such disputes.
You shall be solely responsible for resolving any and all disputes that may arise between you and other Game players or PlayOnline users in connection with the Game or your use of PlayOnline, and for paying any and all expenses incurred by you in connection with resolving such dispute. SEI shall not be responsible for mediating or resolving any such disputes and shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any costs, fees, expenses, damages or other losses incurred in connection with or as a result of any such disputes.
After reading this thread I was curious what the ToS said, because other games I have played carry a "griefing clause" basically making such acts a violation of the ToS. The last game I played this act would most likely have been subject to return of the item to the owner and a 3-day ban if it was the first offense (3 strikes and you're out policy). I do remember reading a longer ToS agreement with SE before, this one is surprisingly short.
Personally with the evidence provided in the first screen shot I have no problem with a guilty verdict. And Valdan will be mentally added to the list of ppl that I don't party or associate with. I'll make sure to make a scene about it if I find them in a pick-up party I'll be joining or the like. Valdan is either a thief/griefer or beyond stupid and either way Lakshmi doesn't need them.
#24
Nov 02 2008 at 5:53 PM
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Quote:
Article 4: User Disputes
You shall be solely responsible for resolving any and all disputes that may arise between you and other Game players or PlayOnline users in connection with the Game or your use of PlayOnline, and for paying any and all expenses incurred by you in connection with resolving such dispute. SEI shall not be responsible for mediating or resolving any such disputes and shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any costs, fees, expenses, damages or other losses incurred in connection with or as a result of any such disputes.
You shall be solely responsible for resolving any and all disputes that may arise between you and other Game players or PlayOnline users in connection with the Game or your use of PlayOnline, and for paying any and all expenses incurred by you in connection with resolving such dispute. SEI shall not be responsible for mediating or resolving any such disputes and shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any costs, fees, expenses, damages or other losses incurred in connection with or as a result of any such disputes.
Its a bit werid SE would say that at the sametime also create a GM Policy and rules for FFXI users.
Quote:
Trade scams affect not only the perpetrator and the victim, but also Square Enix and the community as a whole. To promote the growth of a healthy community, we must do our best to prevent them.
First, we will confiscate all items and gil that the scammer gained. Additionally, if the scammed items and gil have been traded to a third party, they may be confiscated from that party. If the items or gil no longer exist, items equivalent to the value of the scammed items will be confiscated.
To protect yourself from scams, always double-check items in the trade window before hitting the "accept" button. Also when loaning items to others, set clear terms for the date and time of return.
* Please understand that if the GM staff is unable to find evidence of trade or delivery data during the course of the investigation, items will not be compensated.
* Please understand that due to technical constraints, the GM staff is only able to assist with trade scam investigations that are reported within one week of their occurrence. GMs cannot pursue reports received any later.
First, we will confiscate all items and gil that the scammer gained. Additionally, if the scammed items and gil have been traded to a third party, they may be confiscated from that party. If the items or gil no longer exist, items equivalent to the value of the scammed items will be confiscated.
To protect yourself from scams, always double-check items in the trade window before hitting the "accept" button. Also when loaning items to others, set clear terms for the date and time of return.
* Please understand that if the GM staff is unable to find evidence of trade or delivery data during the course of the investigation, items will not be compensated.
* Please understand that due to technical constraints, the GM staff is only able to assist with trade scam investigations that are reported within one week of their occurrence. GMs cannot pursue reports received any later.
To avoid further scams, I would suggest if you do a KSNM, BCNM, past-BCNM, ISNM that when its the players turn for that run, you give them the leadership and quartermaster; you keep switching leadership. If players do not agree to that find new ppls that will adhere to that rule. That way if that player whose the ldr, doesn't try and scam anyone.
If players do try to obtain items when its not theirs, than you should call the GM tell them you've been scammed from the item. ( GM policy provided by SE ) They have to investigate that matter.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/manner03.html?pageID=manner
Edited, Nov 2nd 2008 8:55pm by Avestas
#25
Nov 04 2008 at 5:51 AM
Well, I know this tale won't replace a PCC, but perhaps it will help you feel a little bit better. :)
I was exp'ing my not-yet-75 RDM last week. I got a party invite to a 5/6 party that was lacking only a tank. The leader was uh... kinda slow, so the party took a good hour and a half to get started. The 6th person they found was Valdan, as a 60-something NIN.
We synced down to 57 and started on Lesser Colibri. The party was mediocre at best, with a DNC that kept red-dotting every 10 seconds, and other problems. It was definitely not one of those amazing 15k-per-hour Lesser Bird parties, but it was acceptable and was better than sitting around, waiting for an invite. Valdan quickly became annoyed with the party's killing speed and replaced himself, all the while being as big of a douchebag as he could.
Well, his rep arrived so he disbanded without a word and took a seat next to us with his flag up. We killed a few more birds while he watched. His unsynced level was in the low 60's, so he stood up and started to solo a bird. He killed a couple, but then one got the best of him and he had to Mijin Gakure to avoid an embarrassing death.
I know it's not much, but it put a smile on my face at least, lol. :)
I was exp'ing my not-yet-75 RDM last week. I got a party invite to a 5/6 party that was lacking only a tank. The leader was uh... kinda slow, so the party took a good hour and a half to get started. The 6th person they found was Valdan, as a 60-something NIN.
We synced down to 57 and started on Lesser Colibri. The party was mediocre at best, with a DNC that kept red-dotting every 10 seconds, and other problems. It was definitely not one of those amazing 15k-per-hour Lesser Bird parties, but it was acceptable and was better than sitting around, waiting for an invite. Valdan quickly became annoyed with the party's killing speed and replaced himself, all the while being as big of a douchebag as he could.
Well, his rep arrived so he disbanded without a word and took a seat next to us with his flag up. We killed a few more birds while he watched. His unsynced level was in the low 60's, so he stood up and started to solo a bird. He killed a couple, but then one got the best of him and he had to Mijin Gakure to avoid an embarrassing death.
I know it's not much, but it put a smile on my face at least, lol. :)
#26
Nov 06 2008 at 7:33 AM
Just not lotting this post fade away :P
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