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Hi all lakshmians! For those of you who don't know me, I'm a 75 WHM Tarutaru. I like to melee ;) So i was wondering, for you dynamis goers... If you don't use your O Bronzepieces or Byne Bills, I could use them! I can't offer gil unfortunately, and i know alot of people would rather save theirs, but for those of you who don't use yours and wouldn't mind helping a taru out, I could really use it!

Here's the link to the actual quest, http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?fquest=515

I would really like to be the first on the server with the Mjollnir, and i think i can make it happen if i get enough people to help. My dynamis shell doesn't allow sponsored runs(even IF i had the gil to sponsor it -.-) so i need all the help i can get. Thanks! Please take this seriously...

P.S. Rate me down if you want... If you think it's rediculous that a WHM would get a Relic weapon, read the info someone posted on the quest. Mjollnir is an AMAZING weapon and creates the possibility for an AMAZING WHM DD. /nod

/tell me in game if you're willing to donate ^^ (Nimrod)


Edited, Tue Apr 25 12:06:32 2006 by BardNimrod

Not to be an *** or anything...

But do you really have any idea what it takes to acheive a fully upgraded relic weapon? The ONLY people capable of doing this invest ALOT of money AND time into this task. ALOT even in capital letters is an extreme understatement to say the least.

Even with Sponsered runs and buying as much currency as possible your looking at well over 8 months for a fully upgraded weapon, the cost of wich in sheer gil is above 1 BILLION gil.

THe simple fact of the matter is, 99% of the people playing this game will NEVER even come close to fully upgraded relic. Out of the 99%, a fair amount are delusional that they can do it 'some day' but when you work the numbers, that someday will be 4-5years in the future, at best.

18,000 Currency for fully upgraded weapon. Thats alot of freebies. (3000 of wich you will get back, but you still need it up front)


To even have a shot your gonna need to sponser as much as you can, gaining say 200-300 currency per sponsered run. Wich pretty much requires a regular, and large disposable income. And still spend what you can on bazaars in between. And it'll still take you 8+ months <.<

Meh EDIT: say 18,000 @50K ea scenario. thats 900,000,000.00 gil equivalent.

Edited, Tue Apr 25 13:33:43 2006 by DexxH

Yes... I realize this... And that's why i'm asking for help. I don't WANT to be one of those people that will never even come CLOSE to getting their relic. I want to at LEAST get stage 2 or 3. I realize it takes alot of time and work, but is there really any hurt in asking for help? It's not like i'm demanding people give me their pieces because i'm lazy or anything, i'm simply asking because it will hopefully get me closer to my Goal.

There's nothing wrong with trying <.<;;

And thanks Catti <.<;;;

P.S. My linkshell doesn't allow sponsored runs. :( (hence again why i'm asking for help. If you don't want to help, then don't flame me please :()

Edited, Tue Apr 25 14:09:01 2006 by BardNimrod

-.-; that's not it. You're missing the point. I'm asking for help. I like my dynamis shell, they're great, but since we can't do sponsored runs, i need help getting currency. Like i said, noone NEEDs to help, i just didn't find any harm in ASKING.

Edited, Tue Apr 25 14:31:36 2006 by BardNimrod

You're never going to get close to your weapon if your LS won't do sponsered run, sorry.

BTW, don't use ANY of your currency until you have enough for a full upgrade. I don't mean to put you down, but you'll probably realize in time that you won't be able to do it. Its better than you realize that while collecting coins, not turning them in.

I'm really not trying to flame you. Neither is anyone else here from what I've read. So please don't take any of what I say below as sarcasm or being rude. I'm just trying to offer friendly advice.



Like Dexx said, there are 2 types of people who go for these upgrades: those who are really capable, and those who think they are capable. Most of the people who try are from the second category. They see the quest and think they know what it takes, and then try for it. They spend millions and millions to sponsor runs and get 1 or 2 stages of upgrades. Eventually they figure out what it really takes to do this and give up. Either because they realize the amount of time it takes or because they've realized they don't have the money to back the quest. This ends up being a huge waste of time and money for everyone involved (those that attended the farming for months). The relic is essentially lost since it can't be just handed over to another player to continue.

The first category of people are few and far between. These are the ones that have a huge and recurring stream of income. They have done the numbers, and know exactly what will be required from them in terms on money and time. They know that even weekly sponsored runs aren't enough. They repeatedly buy currency from bazaars for 30-75k each.

The sad fact is that if you've never seen over 100mil you will be stuck with the first category. It's not because of your lack of ambition or motivation, but simply because of your lack of resources. And being in that second category is the exact reason people won't want to give their money to you over someone who's a viable candidate for a stage V weapon. It's a 99.999999% chance that you'll run out of funds before you get that far and thusly will be wasting everyone's hard earned currency. Especially because, as previously stated, you won't be able to hand over the weapon for someone else to continue the quest.

I'm not saying no one will give you any currency. I actually have someone I give currency to whenever I get it. But he is sponsoring runs every week and doing 99% of the work himself. I'm just giving him "spare change" so to speak. I'm not even knocking you down for trying this. I just want you to understand everyone else's point of view, and what exactly you're requesting of them.

should have just asked me, i could have bursted your bubble in a whole 10 seconds. "You'll never get relic club" NOT BEFORE ME AT LEAST!!! (:

Hahahaha

Relic is ENTIRELY *POSSIBLE*

But, the big red flags he gave where "No sponsored Runs" and "Not like I could afford to sponser anyway"

These two comments pretty much sum up the fact that the OP didnt understand the full scope of obtaining relic. Much like most other people in this game. No flamed him, only simply pointed out the details he even admitted himself he was not fully aware of.

Now your little rant is completely out of line. Everyone is in a position to give advice, jsut because that advice falls on ignorant ears does not make it unfounded. Why the **** do people take such offense to the ******* truth.


18,000 Currency
@50k ea = 900,000,000 Gil base to start. THat number will decrease depending on sponsered runs. Sponsered runs will work out to say 10-15k ea currecny, depending on alot of variables.

THese numbers dont lie. They are the REAL numbers, not the compltete BS thats contained in teh relic quest iformation section.

ANything is "possible". Realistic or pratical. Definatly NOT.

TO make it possible you need to understand what it is your trying to do, and if you do you will see that
A: You need to REGULARLY Sponsor runs
B: You need to REGULARLY buy Currency
C: You need the gil to back this up.

Regular not being once a month or so. WOrk the numbers out...

X = Currency per sponsored run
Y = Total # of sponsored runs.
Z = Total # of Sponsored Runs per month
T = Time

18,000/X=Y
Y/Z = T

18,000/X = # of sponsored Runs
Total # of sponsered Runs / # Of runs you can sponsor per Month = # Months it will take you.

So for example ~ Say 300currency per sponsored Run, and say 2 sponsored runs per month. THats being generous and within alot of peoples grasp. There are quite afew people who maybe could sponsor 2 runs a month. Not takig compition or anything other variable into account.

18,000/300 = 60
60/2 = 30

30 MONTHS or.... 2.5 Years. Sponsoring 2 runs a month.

Get real people. Again, not taking any other variable like compition into account. Most Sponserable Shells dont sponsor EVERY Dynamis Area either

Now figure out
A: How much it takes to sponsor
B: How often you can sponsor

Now, your competing with
A: Other sponsers who have a shot
B: Sponsors who have their head buried in teh sand.

As a leader of a Dynamis shell, one would think you would understand this better than most. Your comments are optimistic at best. Its not as hard as i think?

I think not,

Its harder than YOU think.

But this wont go anywhere

Edited, Wed Apr 26 11:57:36 2006 by DexxH

Sorry to be a downer with the rest of them Nim, but I don't see it happening either.

As the leader of the only (or possibly one of the only) Dynamis linkshells on Lakshmi that allows for sponsorships, I do believe I'm a large enough authority on the topic to make that comment.

Jers, I appreciate your optimism, it's refreshing to see someone being optimistic about another person wanting to upgrade. I prefer the realistic approach however, so I will copy+paste a post I made in the Rules and Guidelines area of our forum.

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Upgrading your Weapon: Do You Have What it Takes?

As I am sure many of our LS members will agree, this is a post that in my opinion, is long overdue. Please note: nothing in this post has anything to do with our linkshell's rules. Everything mentioned here is just the way it is.

Now, on to the good stuff.

Do you have what it takes to upgrade your relic weapon? Here is where we will help you answer that question.

At least once a week, I get a /tell from some random DD who thinks they've got what it takes. The conversations usually go something like this:
<Best DRK on Lakshmi> HAY DOOD! I GOTS A RELCI BUDGE! I NEED BILLZ LOLZ CAN I JOIN TEH LS?
<Arkanna> Have you researched upgrading relic weapons?
<DRK> NO LOLZ
<Arkanna> Let me help you understand what it takes.. do you have a large, regular income?
<DRK> YA DOOD I FARM TEH SPIDAR WEBZ LOLZ
<Arkanna> I said a large, regular income. Do you have any crafts levelled or do you camp NM's constantly?
<DRK> **** THAT DOOD CRAFTS SUK LOLZ
<Arkanna> How about NM's?
<DRK> TEH EMPROROR!
<Arkanna> Ok, please research what it takes, then get back to me if you can write legibly and know what you're getting into.
<DRK> YA WHATEVA /BLIST ADD **********

And so on. Thus, this thread is born.

-= THE CONCEPT OF UPGRADING YOUR WEAPON =-

Everyone from time to time has thought about attempting their upgrade. In reality, there's two groups of players on Lakshmi (or any other server for that matter) and ALL players fall into one group or the other.
98% - Can't do it, can't afford it, won't dedicate to it, or otherwise will never accomplish their goal.
2% - MIGHT be able to do it, someday.

Anyone who has advertised to you, the potential upgraders and potential linkshell members/sponsors, that upgrading relic weapons is EASY via our linkshell has horribly misled you.

Sponsorship is quite possibly the only way to ever finish upgrading your relic weapon, for a few reasons. First, the FFXI economy. As a rule, without exception, players who have something and want to sell it will do whatever it takes to jack the price up, while players who want something and must buy it will try to drive the price down (even if it's the same person who's jacking the prices up on something else!). This is a standard economic principle and applies to Dynamis currency as well. 100-coin drops used to run about 3 million gil market value, but much like the Kraken Club, have increased in value well beyond what they are actually worth. It's not uncommon to see 100-coin drops in Bazaar's for 30 million gil, or more.

I'm not going to get into mathematics here, but the amount of Dynamis currency you need to reach the final upgrade is rediculously high. If you mentally do the math, the amount of gil you need to spend in order to upgrade (through only buying from Bazaar's) is staggering, and is probably more gil than actually exists on Lakshmi if that's even possible.

Our linkshell, and any other linkshell that deals in sponsorships or currency banking, is merely a stepping stone to help people attain the goal of upgrading.

Even our two devoted sponsors are a long ways off from actually getting their weapons fully upgraded. If you are one of those people that is contemplating upgrading your weapon, consider what these two individuals do on a regular basis:
1) Sponsor runs in our linkshell, according to linkshell policy, at prices ranging from 4 million gil to 7 million gil. This usually equates to somewhere around 200 individual currencies, well below market value but still expensive.
2) Purchase currency at market value from ANY AND ALL bazaars they come across, including those accursed JP Rolanberry bazaars with single currencies for 100k+
3) Purchase currency from our non-sponsored runs, often at market value, from our linkshell members who received the currencies from auto-distribution.

If you cannot handle the financial outlay that the above steps entail, please, do yourself and everyone else around you a favor and stop dreaming. I'm sorry to sound harsh, but if you can't do it, don't waste your time trying.

I understand that some people out there aren't particularly interested in upgrading at the speed of light. To these casual sponsors, I have this to say: even those who have the financial power to upgrade constantly will still take a long, long time to upgrade their weapons. Doing it on a casual basis will result in nothing more than wasted gil for you, and wasted time for the player that would have bought the currency if you hadn't. Believe me, we made an attempt at supporting casual sponsorships, but it's just not worth it. We discovered all we were truly doing was costing our serious sponsors more time.

As a matter of respect to those serious upgraders, please be certain you are capable of upgrading fully and have the time/gil/dedication to accomplish your goal.

I'd like to add 2 things.

a) If you're upgrading a relic, pleasefortheloveofgod, upgrade one for a melee job. It takes less time and much much less money to lvl a job 1-75 than upgrade #4 alone.

b) As someone mentioned, don't use your currencies to get upgrades 1, 2 and 3 before you have enough to do upgrade 4. You're just wasting currencies. Relics are THAT rare because it's hard to get them, but also because people waste their currencies. I mean, dynamis has been around for almost 2 years now? And there's NO finished weapon on Lakshmi. It's definitly not a drop rate problem, we get on average 200-300 per run ( minus Xarc ). I bet if all the Dynamis LSes work together, we could produce 1 weapon per 2-3 weeks.

The whole point is, I want to try. You never Know until you try. And you're Right. Alot of Currency is wasted because people keep theirs in hopes of one day getting their relic. I am going to start crafting and saving up gil so I CAN buy the currency when i see it. It takes time, That's the biggest issue.

Oh, and for those of you who think Mjollnir is a Waste because it's not for a Melee job, think of it this way. If it restores MP proportionate to HP, then a WHM could melee and recover MP back Instantly. So don't give me that. (still would like a locked topic please)

Yeah, Rika has Excalibur, And it hurts in Ballista. Broke through my Stoneskin in a few hits, Mainly because of the Add. Effect: Deals Damage Proportionate to Current HP. I didn't get the honor of eating "Knights Of The Round", Simply because she killed me too fast lol.

I still STRONGLY suggest you don't turn anything in until you have the last coin you need up to the final upgrade.