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They were retardly easy for me, the wife, a friend I helped with them, and like 2 other people in my LS otherwise. The ONLY reason that anyone would lose these RETARDLY EASY fights is by going in unprepared.



Yes, Paralyze can break ur use of remedy, and yes, you lose the remedy, but that's why you don't just go in with 1. Yes, they are a little pricy, but at this point, what isn't?

Anything that you don't use in the fight, you can sell back on the auction house anyway.

I cannot guarentee success with a sub'd whm.. you don't have the evasion to not get hit (and hard) over and over. You'll spend more time hitting urself with paralyna and cure than doing actual damage to the avatar. Also, since you are subbing whm instead of nin (I know, I know, sounds like a weird combo, but it's sound, I promise you) you won't be able to dual wield those hermit wands, so you're also more than likely going to be interrupted over and over and over, in the end.. Death.

Instead, try Smn/Nin.

I guarentee that you will win if you enter the battles dual wielding hermit wands, wearing heko obi +1 and have the essentials for Astral Flow (hi ethers, yag drinks), as well as some nice Hi potions. Boiled Crab will increase ur defense as well, expensive, but highly recommended.

I DID have to melee on a couple of fights.. don't go in assuming that you won't have to at all.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be contrary to you, Fyn, as far as the difficulty of these battles, but I don't consider myself a *completely* substandard player, and I certainly don't consider myself an excessively GOOD player.. I ROCKED these fights.. In a nut shell.. If I can do it, any nearsighted, parapolegic monkey with his head up his butt can do it. Just be sure that you have everything you need to actually win. Just showing up with a level 20 smn won't cut it.

Thinking back.. Also, I had a whm friend hit me with buffs before I entered the fight, I'd suggest doing the same.. without buffs, no matter what you have, you are going to have a REAL hard time with these.

I know how pompous this whole shpeel must sound, I'm not saying that my way is the ONLY way of doing it.. It's just that I've used it myself, as well as have buffed friends going into the cloisters with this same set up. We all owned these fights.

^^ No need to expound on that :)





Actually.. you don't.. because I said that nearsighted, parapolegic monkeys with their heads up their butts COULD beat them. I'm not gonna make fun of the people that you know because they haven't beaten them, I'm simply implying that they did not win because they were not prepared.




That's not EVEN close to the same.

1. you have no choice. it's a solo 20 battle.. You could have a million level 75 friends who couldn't do a THING to help you outside of hitting u with Protect/shell (ONE) before entering the cloister. As far as doing it right with the right job and level. Again, you have NO choice! You can't use the tuning fork until ur level 20, and if you're over level 20, you're capped when you enter the cloister.
2. You call ur friends that help you out ******** I call them good friends with big hearts who are willing to help out. And I'm fully of the position to buff YOU before you go in, and give you a pat on the back for the win, because tho my protect/shell HELPED, it didn't win you the fight.
3. If you don't have a friend high enough level whm to hit you with shell/protect, I'd suggest making a friend. Or even ask some random stranger if they'd mind hitting you with them.. it takes half a second of their time, and a mere fraction of their mp, you should have NO difficulty at all in locating someone to buff you with these minor buffs, and without resorting to bribery!



1. Protect/shell 2 and up don't last long enough on a level 20 job to complete the fight
2. bar anything won't last long enough for you to walk to the crysal, enter the cluster, eat, and approach the avatar.

As far as the intention of the creators of this part of the game, I couldn't say. However.. if they had intended that you go in with no buffs from outside assistance, then buffs would fall as u entered the cloister.

I've seen plenty of people go into the cloister completely unprepared that got a helping hand with shell/protect (they also got all the bar crap u were talking about AND Haste and Regen, which ALL POSITIVELY fell off before they approached the avatar) who failed these fights because they were completely unprepared.

You completely lost me on 100% of your arguement :)

As an aside- Why do they call the level 65 fights the "Prime" fights? When you fight them at level 20, their names are STILL "Shiva Prime" and "Ifrit Prime" etc.

So because I've never done something before means I must know nothing about it? What brilliant logic.

I suppose next time I'm partied with a PLD I should just not Refresh him and feign ignorance. Because, after all, how am I supposed to know that MP is important for them if I've never played the job?




I demand proof.




Yeah, because there's no such element as luck in these fights. (HINT: Relying on two Hermit Wands to avoid being interrupted is relying on luck. Likewise, when I try to solo the avatar primes, relying on their Astral Flow to not land fully unresisted and kill me in 1 shot is also relying on luck.)




Uhh yeah, it's exactly the same. You're taking help from a higher leveled player into a battlefield that you're not supposed to have at your disposal. Doesn't matter if it's 1 person or 20, and it doesn't matter if you actually take the people into the battlefield or not; the fact is you still used high level help, and therefore, any sort of bragging you're trying to do is pointless. I can destroy the rank 2-3 dragon solo by putting up Protect/Stoneskin/Phalanx on myself (from my 75RDM) before going in, but what the hell does that prove to anyone? An actual 25RDM who goes into the fight would not get those benefits without outside help. And with outside help, it kinda diminishes the effect of your success.

I suppose you also think there's absolutely nothing bad that can come out of relying on a powerleveler to get EXP, right? Same sort of thing going on there.




Sugarcoat it however you like. The point is, you still essentially cheated by bringing in buffs you're not supposed to have at that level, into a SOLO fight. While there's nothing stopping you from winning the battle that way, there is no denying that it makes your accomplishment less impressive, especially in the eyes of those that may not have the high level Protect/Shell whores that you did.

Also, when you say that you "rocked" the fight with those buffs, but you also say that you're "going to have a REAL hard time" without the buffs, then yes, I'd say the buffs won you the fight. Am I wrong about that, or are you just being confusing on purpose? Because it sounds like you're saying you probably couldn't have won without these buffs.




Their duration depends on your actual job level when the spells are casted on you. Protect 2, being a level 27 spell, will last approx. 20/27ths as long as it normally does (30 minutes) if it's cast on a level 20 person. So you're still getting nearly 22 minutes out of it. Protect 3 is level 47, so it would last 20/47ths as long (around 11-12 minutes?). Tier 4 might very well be too high, but I would think Protect 3 and Shell 2 would be just fine for even a LV20 to complete this fight, as long as they don't dilly dally after getting the spells.




Haste and Regen are crap durations even on normally leveled players, no surprise there. Bar-element spells are crap too, but Bar-status lasts what has to be nearly 3-5 times longer. If paralyze is a potential problem, try throwing up Barparalyzra.

I am not debating that you need to have some sort of skill as well as a plan to win. However, your saying that it does seems to go against everything you said about crippled monkeys being able to win these fights.




For one thing, the high level fights were the first ones to be introduced to the game, the level 20 fights came afterward. By then, the high level fights were already established as the "prime" fights. It's like Lower Jeuno; there's tons of better places I'd like to hang out but most people stick around there simply because they're used to it and that's the way it's been for a while. I do the same thing with Diabolos, for his LV40 cap fight and the uncapped one to gain his summon. Even though they are both called "Diabolos", I still refer to the uncapped one as a prime.

Put simply, I'm too lazy to differentiate between the two most of the time. To me, the primes are the big daddies (that's what "prime" is supposed to mean, after all) and if you hear anyone mentioning them it should be obvious that most of the time, they're referring to the high level ones. The lesser ones might be called mini primes, or trial size primes, or whatever other clever nickname you can come up for them.

wow Fynlar. you seem like you know every thing ^^ but race's matter little bit like if you want to be 100% MAX best stats" like taru sam starts with 6str.. elvan's start with 8str so they will have alot more at higher lv's." Like 10+ more str at lv. 75 cuz taru war gets bad str too for war SUB and elvans again get good str for subbing war" STR PwNz with sam TP" move's. So ya ill need all the extra stats i can get im just coming back to the game" and look at the price's snipers are like what 4-5+ mill now? where do i get that?? o-kate there like 6-9+ mill ? where do i get that ^^ so it would be better for me if i went like a caster job but melee sounds more fun to me" i hate not entering the battle's and hearing the new music when you fighting ^^Giggle. So this is me right now \(?.?)/<(HeLP!!!) ClueLess....

Well your right again. i guess ill just stay with my happy tarutaru, So then after i hit 75sam and unlock all the avatar's then i can be the best SMN with the Best magic". i dont like hums there ok at every job but i dont like to be ok i like to be good ^^ (dont we all?)

Edited, Fri Jan 20 21:03:13 2006 by Kinkytaru

ok ok, Lets make a Vote for only tho's who like sam.

1. What race has the coolest fighting stances/Like holding the wepon and fighting with it. (Taru,elvan or Mit?)

2.What race Sam/war can Solo the best.
(Taru,elvan or Mit?)

3.what race sam sound's the coolest!
(Taru,elvan or Mit?)

I see where the breakdown in communication is here.. It's your reading comprehension.

You mention "impress" and "impress me" over and over. The point is not to impress you. Again, I could care less, I was lending information to the other cheaters who look up strategy on Allak.

Regardless, if you want to beat the 20 avatar fights, that's one way you can do it. That was my message in the beginning, that's my message in the end.

I still think that you're way off base calling taking a protect/shell buff as cheating. (And PS, mister I like to throw my level around) you dno't have to have a level 75 (***** was it?) a level 75 ***** available to hit you with a lousy level 1 protect and shell.

Yes, yes, we all know you can solo the fights and that your a level 1 million red mage and the be-all-end-all of knowledge in the game, and if it weren't for you then we'd all be a pack of cheaters. You IMPRESS me. I can't solo the Primes. Hell, I can't even GET to the primes. But if I have an opportunity to help, be it strategy, or getting kazham keys, I'm there for any that need it or want it. (Less RMT)

I digress, I couldn't give two *****.. that's what I get for offerring up strategy that I won with in order to help people who are complaining that the fights are so hard and they can't do them. I spose that flippant remarks, disection of every word, and arguments over ******** symantics are reward enough.

P.S. To anyone out there that read my strategy, and don't have a problem taking a buff from a friend on the way into the fight; you're welcome.

P.P.S.: Everything in this game is as hard as YOU make it. The 20 avatar fights are retardedly easy. Period. Dot.

wow e wow, arent the forums buzzing with activity! Welcome to Lakshmi and blah blah blah ^^

I will smite thee and support Tanta! Vote for me!

wow, This is turning out bad... We got people calling people a ****" and lol "ltihelad" calling me a guy/she or something lol i'm trying to fine a server to play on and meet people. Your really retarded "ltihelad" i dont beg for gil or ask for gear. i'm asking for freinds. Maybe you want a pic of me and my phone number?? Prove it to you? Belive im a girl or not but unlike you i dont enter peoples post's and call them guys and say GIVE ME GIL PLZZZZZ... Grow up. ok people im gonna be be on sooner or later and to them people i meet on here that are cool i will send you a /tell on the game. See ya guy's.

Why does the person's gender make such a big difference to you? It was actually one of the last things I noticed about the OP.

It's no skin off my back to do avatar fights; they're fun to do, I make some money, I get soloing experience, and they give me the odd parry gain every now and then. I just have to have a free moment, and as I already stated, free moments don't come often to me anymore at my level. Was just throwing the offer out there.

I'm willing to do this for any SMN on Lakshmi that asks, but again, I just have to have a spot in my schedule for it.

Captain Observant said:


First 3 sentences of OP:

I don't know what you talking about "kneehightoataru" and what's OP mean?

I would ignore him, he's already made himself out to be (at least to me) one of the folks around here that's incapable of most rational thought.

OP = original post, or original poster. This refers to the first post in the topic, or the person who created it.