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#1 Jan 09 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Hiya honest people!

This post is to warn crafters and KSNM-BLM about those people who rip you off after you stick your neck out for them and/or work in good faith for others, but get shafted. */sigh

Story:
Did KSNM run for client named RONALD (DRG-73 is main). Total runs for him was 4 and we even gave him 1 free run. His drops total 40+ Million. Our cut was about 12 million (This is extremely rare and doesn't happen much so if you think BLM are rich we are not). He ended up with 2 v-claw, 1 d-ignot, and 2 o-ignots.

We like to trust everyone and like to believe that everyone is honest until proven otherwise. You probably already know where this is leading to >>>>> he ripped us off by 4 million */cry

The guy ends up in the end with 30+ million (IF he would have paid us all of our money) and he then has the nerve call us (blm) greedy? His excuse... I don't have the money, I gave my "friends" 1 v-claw and 1 d-ignot so they can have SH and HAL crafted, but yet I see his */shouts in Lower Jueno for Dusk Gear that is 7 Million+ for legs and 15 Million for hands?

Anyways to not let this drag for too long I'm just giving everyone a warning if you do business with this person please beware!

My point of this thread is to have other people post thier list of dishonest people such as RONALD.

Please don't post people that maybe there was a misunderstanding of a few thousand gil between you and them or they ripped you off for maybe 100k or if you just don't like them. Please post those real f*#ked-up people that rip you off for millions for no damn reason except being jerks.
#2 Jan 09 2006 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
Hello, I’m Ronald whom this topic is about. First off I was going to address the topic but something else came up after reading it.

"The guy ends up in the end with 30+ million (IF he would have paid us all of our money) and he then has the nerve call us (blm) greedy? His excuse... I don't have the money, I gave my "friends" 1 v-claw and 1 d-ingot so they can have SH and HAL crafted, but yet I see his */shouts in Lower Jueno for Dusk Gear that is 7 Million+ for legs and 15 Million for hands? "
-bryantr
(I don’t know how to quote or I would)

I never once have shouted for Dusk Gear, nor do I even have any. This is first off a complete lie, anyone can check me any time and I do not have any. And I can tell you aren’t even in High School yet Bryant, because even there they teach you to cite where you get your sources and now everyone can see that you have none, and no credit to back up that quote.

2nd off I did make close to 36M or that is what I had included the 2M+ I already had going into the KS30. I sent a /tell to Blackdeath the guy running the KS30 2 days (RL days) before even selling the items that where theirs. I told him I was going to sell well below AH price and that each blm would still receive around 2M so that my friends could receive items they wanted (including a weskit I bought a really good friend). Well Blackdeath after receiving that tell just said as long as they get the 100% they agreed on. After sending each BLM the 2M Blackdeath sent me another tell saying the other BLM say it should be more or closer to 2.4M, and that I didn’t even have to pay him since everyone was mad, and that I just needed to send the other BLM their 400k. So when I got back from the 12+ hr Ohat run I logged off the other character I was on my way to bed when I realized I should send them their gil so I log back onto Ronald and send each of them including Blackdeath their 400k. Which I thought was fine, I did call them greedy yes just because during 1hr of the O hat run I had received probably close to 25+ tells asking about from the other BLM excluding Blackdeath who was just trying to make everyone happy and get what they deserved. So sorry I didn’t sell everything at top AH price which probably now is close to 20M an item I was just trying to help some friends get around all the inflation that has come up. Right now I have only bought and Ice Lance+1 and Barone Gamblers for my drg and don’t have the gil to by flame rings, which by me is fine because they are over priced and I felt I helped out friends (which I thought this game was all about, how many people here have got to 75 and soloed the whole way? no one because everyone needs help in this game.) and still gave the blm more than I got for all their items.

I never once have shouted for Dusk Gear, nor do I even have any. This is first off a complete lie, anyone can check me any time and I do not have any, and I never got 2 O-ingots...

And by no means any no disrespect to Blackdeath or the KS runs he puts up just watch out for who is helping him, because he his a man of his word and was nothing but kind and understanding to me the whole time.
#3 Jan 10 2006 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmm not taking any sides just pointing out that Gil is the root of all evil.
#4 Jan 10 2006 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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just pointing out that Gil is the root of all evil.


Only since I retired.*







*Retired from being the root of all evil? Get it?
Good thing word travels fast; apparently I was misunderstood, and needed to clarify this statement


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    #5 Jan 10 2006 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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    Hi Guys,

    Damn an argument between 2 people I both know, hopefully it's been resolved and there's no long term hard feelings.
    I do know for a fact that Ronald did spend the time he stated on an O-Hat run, since I was there with him. Also what he says about spending a sizable ammount of gil on a Weskit is truth as I know the person whom recieved it (not me ;; for my lvl 38 Blm lol).
    Seems that there may well have been an agreement made with Ron that has not been liked by all the blm's in the KSNM run. I dunno, but I do know Bryantr and Ronald and like and respect you both.

    I agree with Schultz, Gil is the root of all evil.
    #6 Jan 10 2006 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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    I told him I was going to sell well below AH price and that each blm would still receive around 2M so that my friends could receive items they wanted


    You sir are a dog.

    You knew the terms when you requested their service. You agreed before you went.

    You are a dishonest cheat and no amount of explaining will change that fact.

    btw, I have no affiliation with any Blm team and do not do runs for money.
    #7 Jan 10 2006 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
    Well I just figured since I told one of the BLM (the one that headed it) what I was doing and maybe he didn’t understand but he said ok as long as we still get 100%... so now what, do all the math and they are missing under 400k because I didn’t go with the inflation. I’m back to school now so I won’t even be playing that much since I'm working on keeping my grades but if it means that much to them they can give me a week and I can farm them their 400k or get them 30KS. I mean think about it I have a level 73 drg missing flame rings if I got that much gil what do I need it all for? A level 74 and 75 lance that together total less than 3M... I just figured that since I told the guy that set it all up it was ok by no means was I trying to ***** them over. Your right I knew the agreement before going in that’s why I talked to the BLM before doing it, and never planned on keep all the gil. But also if u want to get technical they never said once you had to sell anything for AH price they just get 100% of the gil or look at the D ingot there is on the AH for around 2M on January 7 at 11:32:38 am from Purisuke to Vandal, I then could sell that and the O ingot they get less than 1M each so what is the AH price and where did they ever define it? To me it isn’t the gil, it is the fact that I talked to the head blm and was told it was ok, and then I hear from people on the LS that “some guy is spamming ‘stuff’ about me.”

    Edit: grammar and got the exact time D ingot sold.
    Edit: took out why i go to school.

    Edited, Tue Jan 10 14:19:20 2006 by Ronald

    Edited, Tue Jan 10 23:14:33 2006 by Ronald
    #8 Jan 10 2006 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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    And I can tell you aren’t even in High School yet Bryant, because even there they teach you to cite where you get your sources and now everyone can see that you have none, and no credit to back up that quote.


    In regards to the High School comment, If I were in HS I would think it's socially acceptable for a High School kid to be playing a "VIDEO GAME." What's your excuse old timer? Out of repspect to Barb i'm not goign to start insulting you nor do I really care, but I do have some good ones */sigh.

    This is a video game and I don't waste my time to fight with people like you Ronald because I play this to enjoy the little free time I do have.

    Now back to the quote in regards that I have "no credit to back up that quote," isn't that what a guilty person says? "I didn't steal that... you have no proof!" when the cops are interrogating him?

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    Well I just figured since I told one of the BLM what I was doing and maybe he didn’t understand but he said ok


    It was the other BLM that /t me in the game that made me write this thread. I can't specifically speak for the others, but I do hope they reply to this thread. I just spoke to 2 of the BLM yesterday and from my understanding I would call you a Liar Ronald in regards to your "resources." Not to mention that there was no history of how much you sold your merchandise for in AH or even history in AH of you ever buying a Weskit? I'll take Barb's word for it though, but seems a bit strange that you get all those items and it's basically "your word" that you sold way below inflation prices. Even if you did sell the items at the cheapest possible, if "you" do the math you still ripped us off.

    Oringinally when I came to you about this you cursed at me and you said if I keep /t you that you would b-list me. I dind't even know that you weren't going to pay until the other BLM told me.

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    And by no means any no disrespect to Blackdeath or the KS runs he puts up just watch out for who is helping him, because he his a man of his word and was nothing but kind and understanding to me the whole time.


    Now for a "Medical Student" in college?..... You just used a double negative. I'm thinking what you meant is that you respect Blackdeath and most of the other BLM, but if you think respect is shown by cursing at someone and ripping them off then please blist me.

    NOW TO MY POINT OF THIS THREAD:
    The point is not money people. It's the principle.

    Immagine if I never warn you about Ronald? Then he can keep doing it to other people and keep doing to more people until someone speaks up, but by that time he's already ripped off tons of cool and good people.

    If I was really crying about the money I would have called a GM and/or been /t Ronald in game play because this type of forum has no business in Alla. It would be a waste of everyone's time, but money wasn't the issue.

    That's all I have to say in regards to this forum because to me it's a closed issue.

    P.S.
    If it took writting this forum to get the rest of our money all I have to say is {NO THANKS}. I don't want your money.


    #9 Jan 10 2006 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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    Blackdeath,
    I am sorry to hear your misfortune. I waited around and I saw Ronald go twice while I waited. You said you allowed him to cut the line, because he was such a good customer. In the future I would just let them wait like the rest of us, I think your other cuistomers would appreciate it. I only got 32k on my drops, hopefully I will have better luck next time.
    #10 Jan 10 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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    But also if u want to get technical they never said once you had to sell anything for AH price they just get 100% of the gil or look at the D ingot there is on the AH for around 2M on January 7 at 11:32:38 am from Purisuke to Vandal, I then could sell that and the O ingot they get less than 1M each so what is the AH price and where did they ever define it?


    You are a dishonest cheat and no amount of explaining will change that fact.

    #11 Jan 10 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
    ok this Blackdeath and i am just seeing this thread for the first time. first i would like to reply to Itera. you say i told u i let him cut because i say hes a good customer. no it is to keep a constant flow. he told us before hand just as other that he would be going more than once, and gave us an exact number of 4 times he would be going. if we let him go 1 time then made him wait for the seoncd to be last in line we would have to wait for him to go to jeuno and come back each time and we would not being doing any runs inbetween only sitting there. it has nothing to do with him being a good customer only to keep a constant flow, and we did make him wait last on his last turn. ok now to the gil issue. Ronald did tell me something about selling under the AH price wich i was very busy at the time and i said woah woah so ur not gonna pay us 100%? and he said yes i will. apperantly he didnt know i ment 100% of what their worth. when i found out he did not pay in full i asked him about it and he was mad and saying we were greedy and he alrdy explained this to me about him selling under ah price. i said: we cannot just tell me ppl "yea its ok to sell it for 10 gil just send us each 1 gil". im sure u all know what i mean. well there was a bit of math mix up for a bit and he was told he owes us 400k each still and he did pay. then later nakita informed us it was a bit more. wich he hasnt payed but yes he does owe about 600k each still. i just want this to end and no more argueing but i want everyone to know this is not ok. u see our rules and u know b4 we go. i repeat them many times in the runs. I do them every Tuesday and Thursday and this is first time this has happend. from now on if v.claw drops the other items 500k+ will be given straight to us. this is pathetic that we have to change rules because of ppl not following them. i hope this doesnt have to happen again its all pretty low.
    #12 Jan 10 2006 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
    This is the last time I'm posting anything about this on here because it from what I see a lost cause, I guess what I’m trying to say is there is no point in beating a dead horse. But I think you did bring up some valid points in your last post Bryantr and also show that you’re going no where with this. First off I fully agree it’s pointless to fight over video games, what are we going to do send threat tells to people... You have no credit for your quote I never once have shouted for dusk gear anywhere, you had one quote from me in your original post so I figured you would know what I was talking about....

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    no on to your point of the thread first off what do crafters have to do with any of this as stated in your topic, its kind of hard to understand what your saying also when u jump from using a double negative (which is using to negative words in a sentence not stating I’m a student in school and in college.) Then going right to talking about blackdeath if you would like to talk to me please make it easier to understand so that I may comprehend what you are getting at.

    Oh and your PS for lack of better words is BS I sent that money during the Ohat run in which blackdeath asked me to make sure you got because your right I didn’t have all the gill at one time I sold things to different people at different times that is why you received 2M and 400k separately.

    As you old-timer or wherever you got that from, I would still like to know where you ever heard of me shouting for the dusk gear that would greatly be appreciated.

    * Edit: Again taking out why I go to school, for the point was I am busy, not feel better. I feel that anyone can be, or do whatever they want as long as they are willing to work for it.


    Edited, Tue Jan 10 23:22:09 2006 by Ronald
    #13 Jan 10 2006 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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    Like I said, I'm done arguing about this.

    You've asked some questions in your final post and I will give you an answer:

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    "Now for a "Medical Student" in college?..... You just used a double negative." -byrantr

    now I can see your a smart man, you quoted me earlier in your post why didn't you quote this statement because again I never said it, look at the post I’m 19 in college why would I ever say I am a medical student, or I guess it could be like the dusk gear I shouted just to you for.


    Intuitively you have to be in college to be a "Medical Student" and I assumed you were because you said:

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    I'm working on keeping my grades up for medical school


    In regards to you not understanding me, it doesn't matter because like I said I'm not going to fight with you and Alla is not the place to waste peoples' time.

    In regards to what "Crafters" have to do with this:

    1) you give crafters items to synth
    2) If successful the crafter returns the finished product
    3) If dealing with Ronald (he takes the item and says "Sucker!"), but if dealing with a good person then they will pay you a nice tip for your services.


    In regards to your shouts in jeuno, I'll have to take a snap shot next time from the game. I've never been ripped off before so I didn't anticipate any of this.

    Overall, my point of this thread was a warning to people and I think you've made yourself look like a real stand up guy already.



    #14 Jan 10 2006 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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    Ronald,

    From an outsiders point of view you seem to be a bit condescending and lofty. Although technically the other fellow misquoted you, the point is there is no reason for us to know about you being in medical school; other then to make yourself feel smarter then the folks here on Allakhazam (who must not have a life outside of this game). I sensed that attitude from you when you first bashed that fellow about his citing, which is ridiculous to do IMO on a game forum. (You miss the forest for the trees IMO)

    Regarding the gil: So are you saying you sold the items to friends at a reduced amount due to inflation? How exactly did YOU help them out? Its appears, to me, you gave them a cut at the expense of the blm group that did your KS run.


    Just my 2 cents,

    Baccus

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    #15 Jan 10 2006 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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    I'm so confused. I thought Blackdeath was an LS, not a player... I choose to fly Deathfather when I get the chance.
    #16 Jan 11 2006 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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    wow...just wow.....anyway....
    person not to trust: minimarvin
    this is someones mule, i have no idea who
    he stole my v-claw from my first ever ksnm run
    but it was only possible because i was stupid enough to allow him to
    it was late and i was tired, wanted to sell the damn claw so i shouted in jeuno a few times and i suppose he logged to amule a sent me a tell (Yes, please.) and i asked where he wanted to meet and he said send it to me....so being a tard (i was very tired) i sent it to him and he logged and i never saw him again.....
    as if anyone else would be stupid enough to allow this to happen....but anyway dont trust him.... and if you know whos mule this is please do let me know....GMs never did anything for me when i reported this
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    #17 Jan 11 2006 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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    DeathbbeckonsLakshmi wrote:
    wow...just wow.....anyway....
    person not to trust: minimarvin
    this is someones mule, i have no idea who
    he stole my v-claw from my first ever ksnm run
    but it was only possible because i was stupid enough to allow him to
    it was late and i was tired, wanted to sell the damn claw so i shouted in jeuno a few times and i suppose he logged to amule a sent me a tell (Yes, please.) and i asked where he wanted to meet and he said send it to me....so being a tard (i was very tired) i sent it to him and he logged and i never saw him again.....
    as if anyone else would be stupid enough to allow this to happen....but anyway dont trust him.... and if you know whos mule this is please do let me know....GMs never did anything for me when i reported this



    wow....exactly how tired do you have to be to send a 12 mil item to a stranger's dbox?
    #18 Jan 11 2006 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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    Blackdeath thank you for the explanation.

    This is a question for future runs. I asked to be added to the list when I arived at the zone. Will you add players to the list before they arrive at the zone?

    I know these things could be a pain to setup. It would be nice to know the order, so that we have and idea of how long it will be. I under stand why you will slip other players in now.

    I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, but If I were organizing it. I would give a number to the player when they arrived at the zone. For example 17. Then I would let the group know who is up like you do and the number. Then say "Player 10a" or 10b for the players that need to be slotted in for the flow. Communication is not a bad thing.

    Thank you for offering the service.
    #19 Jan 11 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
    Itera you are right. and what i do is write down the names that asked to come in order. when i get there i go down the list and get one at a time. the only time that that order changes up a bit is if ppl r going more than twice or have to leave for a reason i KNOW is the truth, because i do check up on what they tell me. but that doesnt happen often anyways. also it changes when ppl dont show up or ppl come in late. that makes it very hard for me to give u an accurate number. i have had the 6th person go first b4 because ppl never came. i do send those ppl a tell asking if they r comeing or not. if they say yes i useually let them go after they come in for awhile. but yes it would be a good thing for me to maybe notife groups like every 10 ppl or so. i will see what i can do. and yes just to let u know this drives me insane everytime i do it.
    #20 Jan 12 2006 at 12:52 AM Rating: Default
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    I think it is fine even if you did steal from them. Afterall the guy subs SMN on BLM.
    #21 Jan 12 2006 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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    death,
    i am so sorry to hear that but you could have gotten it back. I had similar situation happen to me. Let someone in a party borrow my astral ring. Said in chat that it was to borrow. The person convienently dcd and i waited 3 hours for them to get back.

    i even dcd so you should be ok since you logged

    just call a gm and give them the time this transaction happened.
    they can check the main server logs for the city you were in if you give them a time within 4 hours.

    it may take them a day, but lets just say this. I got my ring back and it was someones mule. All of their accounts were banned for violation of the player user agreement.

    so if you remember the date and close to the time you can get the item back and get the thief banned which is funny cause the gm told me that my person that i had a problem with had 2 lvl 75 jobs and had sent my rings from their mule to that character to be sold. LOL the gms are actually doing things for us!!!
    #22 Jan 12 2006 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
    eh well idk wtf ur talking bout on that last one or how it has anything to do with what happend but as far as u bashing me for my sub i got to only say 2 words for you and all the other ******** who got a problem with it. **** YOU!!!!
    #23 Jan 12 2006 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
    damnit they sensored it....
    #24 Jan 12 2006 at 6:05 PM Rating: Default
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    eh well idk wtf ur talking bout on that last one or how it has anything to do with what happend but as far as u bashing me for my sub i got to only say 2 words for you and all the other @#%^s who got a problem with it. @#%^ YOU!!!!



    It is entirely your choice to be a bad BLM.
    #25 Jan 12 2006 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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    lol


    have you PT'd with him? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    what a joke!

    his sub makes him worse than he already is!
    #26 Jan 12 2006 at 10:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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    Think about it really. As a BLM in an EXP party, what does /whm really offer you? I could see the point if it was a horrible party, or even just the whm sucked enough to where the BLM had to heal. But really think about it. If healing needs to be done, who should be handling that? WHM. If things get out of control and a little extra healing is needed, who should be handling that? RDM or BRD.

    There is more then 1 acceptable subjob for every job out there, and this has never excluded BLM. If everyone is doing what they are there to do, /SMN is acceptable for BLM. It does boost the many needed stats that a BLM uses. I suppose next you're going to say that /NIN is the only acceptable subjob for any job that has a high proficiency in daggers/swords/axes.

    People need to stop thinking anything out of the ordinary is unacceptable. I've never even seen the person that spun this into an off topic conversation, so I cannot speak of thier actual skill, but BLM/SMN is every bit as viable as any of the other job combos, if other jobs do what they are there for.

    Edited, Thu Jan 12 23:03:59 2006 by StaticLine
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