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PLEASE STOP TRAINING ZONE AREAS USED AS EXP CAMPS!!!!
Now, I know this has gone on for eons in this game, but I notice it's happening with alarming frequency in Kuftal at the Terrigan zone.
This is a common camp for level 50-55EXP parties to use because it's safe from aggro, and a zone is readily available incase the sh*t hits the fan.
It seems it's a common trend now for parties passing through Kuftal on the way to Terrigan to just train every crab from the point their sneak wears off the the zone with complete disregard for this fact.
STOP BEING CHEAP ASSES AND USE OILS!
My party tonight only got about 1k exp in 30 minutes because we were trained on at least three times. We finally decided to move to the middle (only camp available), which was a lot less safe due to the fact that there's no zone close for the party with no escaper in it, and Guivre likes to pop there. Not to mention it's always crowded with RMT, making it lag hell (and even less safe >.>;).
IF YOUR SNEAK WEARS AND YOU CATCH AGGRO, JUST DIE!
How long does it take to get the exp back, seriously? It's NOT going to ruin you to suck it up and die where you are and be tractored to a safe spot and raised. It IS going to put you on a lot of people's **** lists if you train the zone and end up killing others along with you or slowing down EXP for another party by forcing them to zone too.
FOR F*CK'S SAKE, SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT!
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Edited, Fri Nov 11 02:42:16 2005 by Morwyne
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I'm sure by now you know how much oils cost. I run through Ro Moave all the time without wasting an oil, because I know I can get to zone without dying.
How about this, why don't you stop thinking about yourself, an think about why those people are not using oils. 22,000g for every 12 oils... dosn't seem like much, but I'd wager I've spent at least 2,000,000g on oils over the past 4 months. That's 2,000,000g I could have spent getting better armour, weapons, an other such gear.
If you are by a zone that get's trained... tough luck, wait till SE patches it so mobs don't aggro until they get back to there spawn. Until then, find another camp.
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I'm sure by now you know how much oils cost. I run through Ro Moave all the time without wasting an oil, because I know I can get to zone without dying.
How about this, why don't you stop thinking about yourself, an think about why those people are not using oils. 22,000g for every 12 oils... dosn't seem like much, but I'd wager I've spent at least 2,000,000g on oils over the past 4 months. That's 2,000,000g I could have spent getting better armour, weapons, an other such gear.
If you are by a zone that get's trained... tough luck, wait till SE patches it so mobs don't aggro until they get back to there spawn. Until then, find another camp.
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I do know how much oils cost because I bought them throughout my entire Paladin career and still carry fresh stacks on me for running around sky regarless of what job I'm on.
You can either go farm the gil or farm the ingredients and level your alchemy. There's no reason for anyone to be SO poor they can't afford to carry oils. Find a really good friend of yours who has high alchemy and have them hook you up. I've done this on many occasions myself.
I have oils, and halfway decent gear. I've had no problem farming enough to keep myself afloat (and it's been hard work, check my sig).
And training Ro'Maeve is a different situation entirely because no one EXPs at the HoG or Zi'tah zones (or at all in that zone for the most part). Training in a highly EXP-camped area is just being a thoughtless *sshole.
There's no excuse for not having oils. If your sneak runs out and there isn't a mage around - tough sh*t. Don't f*cking train.
You can either go farm the gil or farm the ingredients and level your alchemy. There's no reason for anyone to be SO poor they can't afford to carry oils. Find a really good friend of yours who has high alchemy and have them hook you up. I've done this on many occasions myself.
I have oils, and halfway decent gear. I've had no problem farming enough to keep myself afloat (and it's been hard work, check my sig).
And training Ro'Maeve is a different situation entirely because no one EXPs at the HoG or Zi'tah zones (or at all in that zone for the most part). Training in a highly EXP-camped area is just being a thoughtless *sshole.
There's no excuse for not having oils. If your sneak runs out and there isn't a mage around - tough sh*t. Don't f*cking train.
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Posted: Nov 11 2005 at 4:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dunno... if my sneak wears... I'm caring about myself, call me a jackass, but losing 2500 exp > making 6 people zone imo.
Pardon me for being blunt; but,
It's rather selfish to do away with the use of Silent Oils, train mobs to a zone with an exp PT, then expect them to zone for it.
You say that 2500 exp > 6 people zoning, but obviously you are using yourself as the central point, with the world revolving around you. Put it this way, if everyone thought like you did, and an EXP PT had to zone multiple times because everyone passing through decided to save 2k gil - they would be the ones losing 2500 exp from the inability to maintain exp chains. Sure, there are other places to camp, but that doesn't mean those places are always available or feasible. Besides -- they're actually utilizing the place, whereas passerbys are exactly just that: passing by.
There's always two sides to every story.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 10:13:40 2005 by Kysha
It's rather selfish to do away with the use of Silent Oils, train mobs to a zone with an exp PT, then expect them to zone for it.
You say that 2500 exp > 6 people zoning, but obviously you are using yourself as the central point, with the world revolving around you. Put it this way, if everyone thought like you did, and an EXP PT had to zone multiple times because everyone passing through decided to save 2k gil - they would be the ones losing 2500 exp from the inability to maintain exp chains. Sure, there are other places to camp, but that doesn't mean those places are always available or feasible. Besides -- they're actually utilizing the place, whereas passerbys are exactly just that: passing by.
There's always two sides to every story.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 10:13:40 2005 by Kysha
Actually, training Ro'Maeve is quite selfish as well.
There have been several times when I've popped a silent oil at the entrance and had it start to wear as I'm climbing the last big staircase. Now, knowing that no sneak aggro mobs populate the zone area to Hall of the Gods, there's no reason to resneak... or rather there SHOULD be no reason to resneak. In reality, you can almost count on the fact that some cheap ******* has trained 1/2 the weapons to the Hall of the God's zone. But it's all ok because they saved the cost of ONE sneak oil! Nevermind the fact that their selfishness caused me to have to use TWO sneak oils.
There have been several times when I've popped a silent oil at the entrance and had it start to wear as I'm climbing the last big staircase. Now, knowing that no sneak aggro mobs populate the zone area to Hall of the Gods, there's no reason to resneak... or rather there SHOULD be no reason to resneak. In reality, you can almost count on the fact that some cheap ******* has trained 1/2 the weapons to the Hall of the God's zone. But it's all ok because they saved the cost of ONE sneak oil! Nevermind the fact that their selfishness caused me to have to use TWO sneak oils.
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How about this, why don't you stop thinking about yourself, an think about why those people are not using oils. 22,000g for every 12 oils... dosn't seem like much, but I'd wager I've spent at least 2,000,000g on oils over the past 4 months. That's 2,000,000g I could have spent getting better armour, weapons, an other such gear.
oh gosh, training a bunch of **** into an xp pt is not thinking about yourself? well, if that's not self centered. you get humanitarian award!
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call me a jackass, but losing 2500 exp > making 6 people zone imo.
jackass. IF they get to zone in time.
example:
party in DoR. nin/war, war/nin, blm, rdm, smn, sam. notice, no whm with r2.
random person trains two bullbeggars to zone coz oops, sneak wore. they make it out. my party does not. 6 ppl dead.
so, you're ******** that you MIGHT lose 2500 exp. lets weigh that against what my pt just lost.
tele (x2 = 6000)
sneak oils (omg, what's that?!? x4 = 8000)
exp loss for 6 ppl (basing on your 2500 = 15000 xp
food (we'll go around 100000 . damn curry ain't cheap)
total:
party loses 114,000 gil
15000 xp
so that you could save 2500 xp. if you don't have the gil to get oils, you have no business in a party.if you're that cheap about getting to camp, you're probably scraping by in other areas too. if your 2500xp was so precious you'd make damn sure you kept it.
it's nobody's responsibility but yours to keep you safe outside of xp session. it nobody's responsibility but yours to keep you safe on the way to a pt.
and ppl WILL remember the ******** that train **** like that. emergencies are one thing, being a cheap *** is another.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 11:47:11 2005 by gelcoat
damn
Edited, Fri Nov 11 11:53:51 2005 by gelcoat
Edited, Fri Nov 11 11:53:51 2005 by gelcoat
Okay, okay, okay.
I know when I'm beat.
I know when I'm beat.
We both know that this is never going to happen. There's really no use posting about this. I'm sure we've all seen this happen, but posting on a forum isn't going to do anything. Deal with it.
PS: If you're going to post a rant, do not use [rant] and [/rant]. That is very insulting. If one is smart enough, he/she would be able to see that this is clearly a rant.
PS: If you're going to post a rant, do not use [rant] and [/rant]. That is very insulting. If one is smart enough, he/she would be able to see that this is clearly a rant.
I was in that party the OP is talking about. And I gotta say something it's one thing if someone is zoning one or two mobs that is UNDERSTANDABLE. It however is not ok when within 30-45minutes on 3 different occassions that a train of about 30-50 crabs is zoned. As stated before, that area is a highly used exp camp. At least if your gonna f*cking zone a train of mobs be curteous and /sh or something so people don't pull get half way through a mob and have to zone because of your poor consideration for the rest of the server. Yea, it sucks to kill a mob halfway and have to zone ><.
On top of this one of our party members died because they couldn't get to the zone on time due to the massive amounts of crabs there.
P.S. Morwyne, sorry about not getting back on after I had d/c'd. My cable went out, which meant no internet, TV, or phone!
On top of this one of our party members died because they couldn't get to the zone on time due to the massive amounts of crabs there.
P.S. Morwyne, sorry about not getting back on after I had d/c'd. My cable went out, which meant no internet, TV, or phone!
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We both know that this is never going to happen. There's really no use posting about this. I'm sure we've all seen this happen, but posting on a forum isn't going to do anything. Deal with it.
PS: If you're going to post a rant, do not use [rant] and [/rant]. That is very insulting. If one is smart enough, he/she would be able to see that this is clearly a rant.
PS: If you're going to post a rant, do not use [rant] and [/rant]. That is very insulting. If one is smart enough, he/she would be able to see that this is clearly a rant.
Oh, excuse me, I didn't realize you were the Lakshmi forum moderator, and me calling out a common problem was considered offensive. Many pardons {/bow}
Crim - Np, man. That's happened to me on several occasions. My ISP sucks (or maybe it's the ancient router I use; I think I'm gonna get a faster one).
Edited, Fri Nov 11 17:28:14 2005 by Morwyne
How trite. I'm no stranger to sarcasm. Obviously, I'm not a forum Moderator and I don't have the power to delete this thread. Even if I posessed the power to delete this thread, I wouldn't. All I'm saying is it happens to everyone, so don't preach to us. Secondly, you didn't comprehend my post. I wasn't saying that it is insulting to make this thread, I said it was insulting to use [rant] and [/rant]. Get your facts straight before posting, please. If you think you're bringing anything innovative to this forum, you're wrong.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 17:42:55 2005 by Porksalad
Edited, Fri Nov 11 17:42:55 2005 by Porksalad
Im not defending either side of the argument because I learned my lesson camping near zone lines. That really leads to my point. You camped at a zone line. Some people may not realize that people camp there. There are alot of newer people just making thier way through that area for the first time. All I am saying is that if you camp at a zone line, any zone line, you should expect to have trains comming your way at any time.
Try camping at the other end. Have someone zone a ghost on you. Your exp is pretty much done for the night because those damn things move about 2 steps every 10 minutes.
Edit: Look at the history of leveling.
Valkurm Dunes, you rarely see people camping near zone lines or even near them any more because the majority of people learned thier lesson.
Qufim Island at Delfutts Tower, if you ever leveled thier at night during a busy time, you know what that means.
Yuhtunga Jungle, 1 gob can stop exp for a long long time.
Yhoater Jungle, same way.
Garlaige Citidal, when it gets packed, people make careless pulls, resulting in many links and some really bad skelly aggro.
Crawlers nest, Cant tell you how many times I zoned in dead because there was a massive train there.
Quicksand Caves, again, busy days lead to stupid pulls, lead to massive trains.
Cape terrigan/Valley of Sorrows, Things aggro and link, only places people want to camp are at the zone line.
Moral of this is, no matter what, if you camp at a zone line, you need to expect this to happen. Granted you are correct, people should be prepaired, but not all the blame is theirs to have.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 20:03:12 2005 by Scuzzlebuns
Try camping at the other end. Have someone zone a ghost on you. Your exp is pretty much done for the night because those damn things move about 2 steps every 10 minutes.
Edit: Look at the history of leveling.
Valkurm Dunes, you rarely see people camping near zone lines or even near them any more because the majority of people learned thier lesson.
Qufim Island at Delfutts Tower, if you ever leveled thier at night during a busy time, you know what that means.
Yuhtunga Jungle, 1 gob can stop exp for a long long time.
Yhoater Jungle, same way.
Garlaige Citidal, when it gets packed, people make careless pulls, resulting in many links and some really bad skelly aggro.
Crawlers nest, Cant tell you how many times I zoned in dead because there was a massive train there.
Quicksand Caves, again, busy days lead to stupid pulls, lead to massive trains.
Cape terrigan/Valley of Sorrows, Things aggro and link, only places people want to camp are at the zone line.
Moral of this is, no matter what, if you camp at a zone line, you need to expect this to happen. Granted you are correct, people should be prepaired, but not all the blame is theirs to have.
Edited, Fri Nov 11 20:03:12 2005 by Scuzzlebuns
Scuzzlbuns,
I see your point entirely and agree. That wasn't the aim of my original post though. I'm not talking about the ***** happens' part of camping by a zone. Of course it's inevitable, and it sucks, but it's understood.
I'm referring mostly to people who INTENTIONALLY let their sneak drop and just inconsiderately train 10+ mobs on EXP parties. Most of these are higher levels who can/think they can survive that kind of train, and are just too lazy to use another oil (or any at all).
Porksaladelite,
You call me trite and say I'm not bringing anything innovative to the forum, yet you've replied twice to this thread and brought nothing to it yourself except flame. While I respect your opinion, don't get too much of a high-and-mighty attitude if you're not going to at least contribute to the discussion.
And perhaps I was trying to be innovative by encouraging people to consider how their actions effect others. Hmm.
But I have nothing against you. Just trying not to let this veer too far away from the topic.
I see your point entirely and agree. That wasn't the aim of my original post though. I'm not talking about the ***** happens' part of camping by a zone. Of course it's inevitable, and it sucks, but it's understood.
I'm referring mostly to people who INTENTIONALLY let their sneak drop and just inconsiderately train 10+ mobs on EXP parties. Most of these are higher levels who can/think they can survive that kind of train, and are just too lazy to use another oil (or any at all).
Porksaladelite,
You call me trite and say I'm not bringing anything innovative to the forum, yet you've replied twice to this thread and brought nothing to it yourself except flame. While I respect your opinion, don't get too much of a high-and-mighty attitude if you're not going to at least contribute to the discussion.
And perhaps I was trying to be innovative by encouraging people to consider how their actions effect others. Hmm.
But I have nothing against you. Just trying not to let this veer too far away from the topic.
That's too bad. While you may not have anything against me, I have something against you. Why? You've attempted to flame me passively. That will not fly. If you're going to attempt to make a retort, do it aggressively.
Trying to be innovative? Well then, you fail. I'm not sure if this has come across your mind, but your ENTIRE first post involves people giving a little more just for you to benefit from their loss. That's a little....what word am I looking for here...oh yeah, greedy. If I ever train a zone, it will be because I want to keep my exp that I have earned, not to ruin your party. Not everyone is as evil as you take them to be. I'd be willing to bet 90% of the time you get a train dropped on your party, it's not because they WANT to slow down your exp, it's because they are trying to escape losing their exp. I don't mind people doing it once or twice, but past then, I reserve the right to call you mentally deficient.
As for your claim on Silent Oils, I ask you this. Why do you think Sneak and Invis cost so little mp? You were MEANT to use them. I see in your signature that you are a level 75 WHM. I also am a level 75 WHM. I have many WHM friends that I talk to on a regular basis. NONE of them have ever denied a fellow party member a sneak or invis spell. I'll lend you some advice here. If you get annoyed at a party member for requesting sneak/invis over and over again, sneak him or her. They'll eventually learn to become not so dependent on your white magic. If my party members had oils/powders, would I be happier? Hell yes, but thats not the point. My job as a WHM is to make sure all of the party members are kept alive, and if that entails sneaking and invising them throughout two or three zones, I'm going to do it. That's why I picked the job. It's not meant to be fun, but someone has to do it.
Your last complaint is my favorite by far. Do you think that the people who train the whole zone know that they're going to be on someone's **** list? Of course they do. That's why you don't see it more often. You say that it wouldn't be hard to make up the exp. I agree. HOWEVER, when you die from a train, you lose the same amount of experience as the person who trained the mobs would have lost assuming that you were in the trainer's level range.
It's not like you have to just stand there and take it, either. You can sneak/invis up and easily avoid the train. Also, it is customary to shout something like 'a ******** of mobs to the zone' to warn the other players to get the hell out of the way if they want to live. While some people do not do this, I would think it would be evident that you were being trained on. A large train is kinda hard to miss. If you see one of these, you should RUN, obviously.
I realize that there are subtleties to the rules, but most of the time, they do not come into play. My point being, deal with it.
You wanted a serious response? You got one.
Trying to be innovative? Well then, you fail. I'm not sure if this has come across your mind, but your ENTIRE first post involves people giving a little more just for you to benefit from their loss. That's a little....what word am I looking for here...oh yeah, greedy. If I ever train a zone, it will be because I want to keep my exp that I have earned, not to ruin your party. Not everyone is as evil as you take them to be. I'd be willing to bet 90% of the time you get a train dropped on your party, it's not because they WANT to slow down your exp, it's because they are trying to escape losing their exp. I don't mind people doing it once or twice, but past then, I reserve the right to call you mentally deficient.
As for your claim on Silent Oils, I ask you this. Why do you think Sneak and Invis cost so little mp? You were MEANT to use them. I see in your signature that you are a level 75 WHM. I also am a level 75 WHM. I have many WHM friends that I talk to on a regular basis. NONE of them have ever denied a fellow party member a sneak or invis spell. I'll lend you some advice here. If you get annoyed at a party member for requesting sneak/invis over and over again, sneak him or her. They'll eventually learn to become not so dependent on your white magic. If my party members had oils/powders, would I be happier? Hell yes, but thats not the point. My job as a WHM is to make sure all of the party members are kept alive, and if that entails sneaking and invising them throughout two or three zones, I'm going to do it. That's why I picked the job. It's not meant to be fun, but someone has to do it.
Your last complaint is my favorite by far. Do you think that the people who train the whole zone know that they're going to be on someone's **** list? Of course they do. That's why you don't see it more often. You say that it wouldn't be hard to make up the exp. I agree. HOWEVER, when you die from a train, you lose the same amount of experience as the person who trained the mobs would have lost assuming that you were in the trainer's level range.
It's not like you have to just stand there and take it, either. You can sneak/invis up and easily avoid the train. Also, it is customary to shout something like 'a ******** of mobs to the zone' to warn the other players to get the hell out of the way if they want to live. While some people do not do this, I would think it would be evident that you were being trained on. A large train is kinda hard to miss. If you see one of these, you should RUN, obviously.
I realize that there are subtleties to the rules, but most of the time, they do not come into play. My point being, deal with it.
You wanted a serious response? You got one.
God I hate prolonging the drama, but I do need to defend a couple of points in your post:
Did I ever say I had a problem sneaking/invising party members? No. I have no problem doing so. I encourage non-mages to always carry oils and powders for sticky situations so they can avoid aggro if a mage isn't near, but I won't be a jackass and deny them if I'm right there or if we're just starting out. I don't like anyone to have to pay for meds any more than I like buying them myself.
And I think you're still missing the point of my OP. It wasn't about people who aggro and are going to die training to zone to save their EXP. It's more about people who aggro for the hell of it because they know they can get to zone unscathed and are too LAZY/CHEAP to use oil. No, they aren't doing it for the purpose of training a EXP party, but that's often the result of doing that at that particular zone and most of them damn well know it.
Read Crim's reply. Our ranger died in a train because he couldn't wade through the 10+ crabs at the zone in time to get through before they all aggroed him. That's not fair. At that level with a Raise 1 (because we're still too low for Raise II to be available), it's a pretty significant loss. That train was more than just an uh-oh... that was someone bringing half of Kuftal to the zone (no, I'm not exaggerating). Accidents happen, but being lazy/inconsiderate is inexcusible.
And to refute one more thing, I am not trying to 'passively flame' you. I can speak my mind quite well, which I think is evident here. If I really wanted to, I'd say, 'Pork, you're an *******.' I don't know you; I won't say that. What I can say is that it seems you're trying to prove some kind of point to me - tell me what I'm posting is worthless or something - that's how it seems to me at least.
I'm not quite sure why you're so upset about my post (and I already apologzied if my little [rant] thing bothered you, it was supposed to be humor, I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence), but I can feel it in your replies. If you took anything I said personally, I'll even apologize for that, as it was not my intent to dig at you, merely to defend myself.
However, I'm not preaching, I'm not flaming, I'm just trying to bring light to a problem that seems to be growing more constant than I remember it being (and I've spent a lot of time in Kuftal during my playtime EXPing, skilling up, or just passing through).
I'm not expecting everyone to drop everything and say 'Y'know Mor, you're right! I see the error of my ways and I bow at your feet and repent.' If anyone did that I'd laugh my *** off for a good, long time. You can call my post frustrated venting, a cry for a little more consideration, or just crap. I don't really care. And if you choose to have a real problem with me based on a forum topic, then I probably don't wanna /befriend you anyhow :P
Did I ever say I had a problem sneaking/invising party members? No. I have no problem doing so. I encourage non-mages to always carry oils and powders for sticky situations so they can avoid aggro if a mage isn't near, but I won't be a jackass and deny them if I'm right there or if we're just starting out. I don't like anyone to have to pay for meds any more than I like buying them myself.
And I think you're still missing the point of my OP. It wasn't about people who aggro and are going to die training to zone to save their EXP. It's more about people who aggro for the hell of it because they know they can get to zone unscathed and are too LAZY/CHEAP to use oil. No, they aren't doing it for the purpose of training a EXP party, but that's often the result of doing that at that particular zone and most of them damn well know it.
Read Crim's reply. Our ranger died in a train because he couldn't wade through the 10+ crabs at the zone in time to get through before they all aggroed him. That's not fair. At that level with a Raise 1 (because we're still too low for Raise II to be available), it's a pretty significant loss. That train was more than just an uh-oh... that was someone bringing half of Kuftal to the zone (no, I'm not exaggerating). Accidents happen, but being lazy/inconsiderate is inexcusible.
And to refute one more thing, I am not trying to 'passively flame' you. I can speak my mind quite well, which I think is evident here. If I really wanted to, I'd say, 'Pork, you're an *******.' I don't know you; I won't say that. What I can say is that it seems you're trying to prove some kind of point to me - tell me what I'm posting is worthless or something - that's how it seems to me at least.
I'm not quite sure why you're so upset about my post (and I already apologzied if my little [rant] thing bothered you, it was supposed to be humor, I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence), but I can feel it in your replies. If you took anything I said personally, I'll even apologize for that, as it was not my intent to dig at you, merely to defend myself.
However, I'm not preaching, I'm not flaming, I'm just trying to bring light to a problem that seems to be growing more constant than I remember it being (and I've spent a lot of time in Kuftal during my playtime EXPing, skilling up, or just passing through).
I'm not expecting everyone to drop everything and say 'Y'know Mor, you're right! I see the error of my ways and I bow at your feet and repent.' If anyone did that I'd laugh my *** off for a good, long time. You can call my post frustrated venting, a cry for a little more consideration, or just crap. I don't really care. And if you choose to have a real problem with me based on a forum topic, then I probably don't wanna /befriend you anyhow :P
I argue for the sake of arguing. I won't agree with you. This is why I argue. I'm not satisfied with the fact that you know that I won't agree with you. There's no need to put and end to this thread. I know you know that you can't compose a rant and expect everyone to agree with you. That is why I have chosen to continue this conversation. I'm going to try to make this as straight to the point as possible.
If you removed the 'Please' in your second line of text, in fact, you would be preaching to the reader.
If you straight up insulted me, you know that you wouldn't get a serious response out of me. Not like you would do that, anyway.
In response to the incident with Crim, this kind of thing happens all the time. I'm not sure why I should care any more about what happened there than other cases of this. So the trainer didn't shout. Like I said, if you see someone running towards you followed by several mobs, you should zone. I'm sorry, you're not special.
Regarding your response about 'cheap asses' and why they should buy silent oils, I'd like you to refer back to Zerio's post. Lazy? No. Would you rather get something for free at the cost of others rather than purchase it? Well, that's where your opinion comes into play. What you think is wrong others may think is right. Which is why you should keep this in-game rather than post on these forums[which was in my original post, that seems to be neglected]. I'll say this again. These forums do not need any more drama. I don't like people posting stuff like this.
Does that look like something you would regularly say? It doesn't to me, judging from your last two posts. I don't like drama. I don't think anyone likes drama. I can understand why you posted this. Obviously, you were pretty pissed. It's human nature. However, you weren't forced to post it on this forum. Why not take it up with the person in-game that commits the crime, rather than some random people who haven't experienced your situation first hand? I can almost guarantee you'd get better results out of the person who ****** your exp up[not to mention time you spent posting this]. If you can resolve the problem with the player, that's great. If you still feel the need to post some ridiculous thread on this forum after talking to the player, I'd be disappointed. You can't reform everyone. After all, this is the internet.
Do you still feel that this thread was necessary, and why?
Edited, Sat Nov 12 04:34:38 2005 by Porksalad
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I'm not expecting everyone to drop everything and say 'Y'know Mor, you're right! I see the error of my ways and I bow at your feet and repent.'
If you removed the 'Please' in your second line of text, in fact, you would be preaching to the reader.
If you straight up insulted me, you know that you wouldn't get a serious response out of me. Not like you would do that, anyway.
In response to the incident with Crim, this kind of thing happens all the time. I'm not sure why I should care any more about what happened there than other cases of this. So the trainer didn't shout. Like I said, if you see someone running towards you followed by several mobs, you should zone. I'm sorry, you're not special.
Regarding your response about 'cheap asses' and why they should buy silent oils, I'd like you to refer back to Zerio's post. Lazy? No. Would you rather get something for free at the cost of others rather than purchase it? Well, that's where your opinion comes into play. What you think is wrong others may think is right. Which is why you should keep this in-game rather than post on these forums[which was in my original post, that seems to be neglected]. I'll say this again. These forums do not need any more drama. I don't like people posting stuff like this.
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PLEASE STOP TRAINING ZONE AREAS USED AS EXP CAMPS!!!!
STOP BEING CHEAP ASSES AND USE OILS!
FOR F*CK'S SAKE, SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT!
STOP BEING CHEAP ASSES AND USE OILS!
FOR F*CK'S SAKE, SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT!
Does that look like something you would regularly say? It doesn't to me, judging from your last two posts. I don't like drama. I don't think anyone likes drama. I can understand why you posted this. Obviously, you were pretty pissed. It's human nature. However, you weren't forced to post it on this forum. Why not take it up with the person in-game that commits the crime, rather than some random people who haven't experienced your situation first hand? I can almost guarantee you'd get better results out of the person who ****** your exp up[not to mention time you spent posting this]. If you can resolve the problem with the player, that's great. If you still feel the need to post some ridiculous thread on this forum after talking to the player, I'd be disappointed. You can't reform everyone. After all, this is the internet.
Do you still feel that this thread was necessary, and why?
Edited, Sat Nov 12 04:34:38 2005 by Porksalad
I still feel this post was necessary because there are far more people who do the same BS in the same or other zones as the few people who did it while I was partying the other night. The off-color language is a good indicator of frustration, but I don't regret using it because my point was to share how FRUSTRATING this whole situation is to many people (because I know I'm not the only on on Lakshmi who has a problem with this).
I, like you, do not like to read pointless drama on the forums. I don't care what LS sucks or who gyped who in BCNM - those are the issues that are better resolved privately. I chose to post this on the forums because it seems wide-spread enough that maybe I could bring it up to more than just those two or three isolated offenders from the other night, because I KNOW more than just they do this sort of thing.
What I regard drama is this constant back and forth we have going on right now. We can continue in PM if you wish, but I don't want to do this on the public boards. You don't like what I have to say, and I don't like that you've stated your dislike of my topic and refuse to let it die. You think this topic is pointless drama, I respect your opinion. I'd like to get on with my life and stop spamming this thread/forum with this off-topic e-***** contest.
Besides, like I tell my LS, mine will always be the biggest (because I don't even have one XD).
I, like you, do not like to read pointless drama on the forums. I don't care what LS sucks or who gyped who in BCNM - those are the issues that are better resolved privately. I chose to post this on the forums because it seems wide-spread enough that maybe I could bring it up to more than just those two or three isolated offenders from the other night, because I KNOW more than just they do this sort of thing.
What I regard drama is this constant back and forth we have going on right now. We can continue in PM if you wish, but I don't want to do this on the public boards. You don't like what I have to say, and I don't like that you've stated your dislike of my topic and refuse to let it die. You think this topic is pointless drama, I respect your opinion. I'd like to get on with my life and stop spamming this thread/forum with this off-topic e-***** contest.
Besides, like I tell my LS, mine will always be the biggest (because I don't even have one XD).
My e-peen is bigger than yours
Pork, just shaddup already. Nobody here is perpetuating the drama except YOU. Getting all pissy about the [rant] thing is ridiculous, too. All it means is "I'm angry and I'm sorry if I come off as mean or disrespectful". What's the big deal about that?
BTW, this:
I argue for the sake of arguing. I won't agree with you.
is the kind of thing your everyday forum troll says, or at least thinks. If you really didn't like the thread, you would quit bumping it back up to the top with your posting.
I don't think the intent was to reform everyone, that would be pretty overzealous. I think the intent was to reform SOMEONE. You know how those things work... even if they make one person change their ways, they consider themselves a success. I think that's what's going on here.
Another thing is for validation. When people are upset or frustrated about something, they go to people they know and basically say "do I have a right to feel this way??" People tend to become less stressed about things if other people can sympathize with them; that's human nature.
Obviously, it wasn't to you. So instead of wasting your time in here, why haven't you gone to find one of the other tens of thousands of threads out there about something that's actually new and exciting, and not a rehash of something that's already been done before? Good luck finding those.
BTW, this:
I argue for the sake of arguing. I won't agree with you.
is the kind of thing your everyday forum troll says, or at least thinks. If you really didn't like the thread, you would quit bumping it back up to the top with your posting.
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If you still feel the need to post some ridiculous thread on this forum after talking to the player, I'd be disappointed. You can't reform everyone. After all, this is the internet.
I don't think the intent was to reform everyone, that would be pretty overzealous. I think the intent was to reform SOMEONE. You know how those things work... even if they make one person change their ways, they consider themselves a success. I think that's what's going on here.
Another thing is for validation. When people are upset or frustrated about something, they go to people they know and basically say "do I have a right to feel this way??" People tend to become less stressed about things if other people can sympathize with them; that's human nature.
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Do you still feel that this thread was necessary, and why?
Obviously, it wasn't to you. So instead of wasting your time in here, why haven't you gone to find one of the other tens of thousands of threads out there about something that's actually new and exciting, and not a rehash of something that's already been done before? Good luck finding those.
yea yea buy oil
the price is cheap 22000 for 12 oil
imagine the alchemist buying beehive chip for 12-14k per stack or beewax for 45k per stack
THAT INSANE
well if you interested i will syn u free of charge just catch me on game
Water Crystal - Slime Oil X1 and Beewax X2 - 4,6,8 oils
I also hate people zone **** at zone especially the ghost in kufful tunnel (they move very slow)
the price is cheap 22000 for 12 oil
imagine the alchemist buying beehive chip for 12-14k per stack or beewax for 45k per stack
THAT INSANE
well if you interested i will syn u free of charge just catch me on game
Water Crystal - Slime Oil X1 and Beewax X2 - 4,6,8 oils
I also hate people zone **** at zone especially the ghost in kufful tunnel (they move very slow)
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Well, both sides are right, so it's unfortunate to have to take sides. It's expensive to buy sneak oils and invisible powders, but it's also very necessary to. Even mages should, regardless of whether they have the spell or not.
Remember, Ro'Maeve and Sky and some other places have mobs that aggro to magic. Carry at least two of each with you, mages, just to save your OWN butt.
I personally refuse to sneak and invisible my party members, with exceptions. Why? Because first off, it's hella annoying to stay behind everyone and have to keep their sneaks and invisibles up, as well as mine. In case such as this, it's my *** in danger too. Why drag someone else down with you, if you come unprepared? And there's no excuse for unpreparedness. If you're going to an exp party, you should know what's coming: travel, mobs, and (potentially) aggressive monsters. Sometimes people forget, and that's fine, but you know if that's not your excuse and in which case, you should be ashamed. I agree with Morwyne on this part: it is very selfish to train because you don't want to use an oil or two.
What makes a person so special that he doesn't need to use an oil? I've had parties where there are cases in which ONE person doesn't bring the items necessary, gets aggro, and the whole party has to come save him. This means, the party wastes another oil/powder because of HIM. Look out for yourself, and don't count on others to take care of you because we need to take care of ourselves too.
Notice how I'm repeating things? Yeah, this idea nees to burn onto people's heads. It's not anyone's responsibility to sneak or invisible you, it's a priviledge (if I may use that word) and you'd be lucky for it, but don't EXPECT it.
Accidents happen, trains happen; it's okay. Everyone wants to save his own butt, and a human's first instinct is to run for his life when in danger. But learn from your lessons, and many parties will live and be happy.
Remember, Ro'Maeve and Sky and some other places have mobs that aggro to magic. Carry at least two of each with you, mages, just to save your OWN butt.
I personally refuse to sneak and invisible my party members, with exceptions. Why? Because first off, it's hella annoying to stay behind everyone and have to keep their sneaks and invisibles up, as well as mine. In case such as this, it's my *** in danger too. Why drag someone else down with you, if you come unprepared? And there's no excuse for unpreparedness. If you're going to an exp party, you should know what's coming: travel, mobs, and (potentially) aggressive monsters. Sometimes people forget, and that's fine, but you know if that's not your excuse and in which case, you should be ashamed. I agree with Morwyne on this part: it is very selfish to train because you don't want to use an oil or two.
What makes a person so special that he doesn't need to use an oil? I've had parties where there are cases in which ONE person doesn't bring the items necessary, gets aggro, and the whole party has to come save him. This means, the party wastes another oil/powder because of HIM. Look out for yourself, and don't count on others to take care of you because we need to take care of ourselves too.
Notice how I'm repeating things? Yeah, this idea nees to burn onto people's heads. It's not anyone's responsibility to sneak or invisible you, it's a priviledge (if I may use that word) and you'd be lucky for it, but don't EXPECT it.
Accidents happen, trains happen; it's okay. Everyone wants to save his own butt, and a human's first instinct is to run for his life when in danger. But learn from your lessons, and many parties will live and be happy.
This thread really has no point, it's the way the game is, and always will be. There are always alternative lvling spots, so if you can't take the trains in kuftal leave. Sure it sucks when that happens, but you can't pretend like you have never done it, because we all have tried to escape a sure *** whoopin'. No need to get angry of FFXI, it's just a game, and when it becomes apparent that you will only get 1k in 30 minutes find a new place to level.
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Sure it sucks when that happens, but you can't pretend like you have never done it, because we all have tried to escape a sure *** whoopin'.
Actually, no I can't pretend like I have never done so, because I have never done so. It's my exp and my fault if I got aggro in a highly leveled in area. I'll take the death or stand where I am and attempt to warp/escape myself out if I'm a job that can do so.
sirPerdition wrote:
This thread really has no point
Actually I thought it had a great point. People need to stop and think about what they do before they do it. Sounds like a good point to me ^^.
And besides, how many threads here have no particular point? I post threads with cookie recepies. People still may enjoy reading them. ^^
@.@ Rate down? Does someone not like cookies? :D
Edited, Sun Nov 20 01:38:39 2005 by widenorg
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