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#1 Sep 08 2004 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
I've been reading about all the scams and think that there needs to be a reoccuring thread where players post their best anti-scam advice. Here's what I think so far:

1. Password/Login - don't give it out. Ever. For any service. (Playonline, AIM, your email, etc).

2. Item Trades - In general you should always check the item before clicking OK and recheck the item if your OK button goes active again. If someone is spam selling items and offers to trade you can always ask them to list them in their Bazaar and buy it from there. (note there's a tax in Jueno try going out of the zone to avoid the tax).

3. Lending Items/Gil - don't lend items or gil that you don't expect to get back.

4. Mining/Logging - don't join a mage's party if you are mining/logging, or doing other gil farming activities. They might just Warp/Teleport you away. Also watch out for people trying to train monsters to your area to get you to leave.

5. Teleports - Many Teleport providers will want payment upfront. However, if you're unsure of the Tele-Provider try to pay for the teleport after the service has been rendered. Otherwise look for one of more usual Tele-Taxi services. Maybe ask around on your linkshell or a random person to see if the service is reliable. You could also request that you put up half the fare before you go and the other half after the service is rendered.

6. Valuable Drops -- Do these with people you can trust (e.g. long time LinkShell members)

7. Quarter Master in Party -- Unless everyone's agreed before hand that someone is going to be QM make sure you look out for a green dot by party members name in the party list. Usually the best way for drops is random, but also some people like to lot.

8. Lotting In the Spam -- I read somewhere that sometimes some players will lot on items during the midst of battle. I've never seen it myself, but you can try checking the log after a battle if you think someone's doing this. Not an issue when everyone is lotting, but problamatic when everyone's agreed to just random distribution.

Any others?


edited 9/14 -> teleport one based on feedback -thx!) Also request for tips on #6 Valuable drops

edited 9/18 -> try to get a reference on some teleservices if you can. Or try to pay half to cut your potential loss. Added tip for valuable drops and mining/logging.


edited 9/29 -> added QM item #7. Good tip DexxH! Also added #8.

edit 9/30 -> Updated #2 Item trades with the 'check tip'


Edited, Thu Sep 30 07:45:15 2004 by Subarru
#2 Sep 08 2004 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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I pretty much agree with all except the last. If you won't pay for the teleport up front how do I know you will pay when you get there?

Don't pay up front....no teleport. Anyway, I only teleport people when I am going and usually for free (send /shout). But I would expect other mages to want their money up front.

#3 Sep 08 2004 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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My usual process for teleporting is that I don't expect them to pay until after I have invited them into my party. After that, I will not tele them until after they have paid, but I am very adamant about honor and will refuse to rip someone off; granted, one should be entirely careful, especially lately with more three year-olds on the server, but unfortunately we teleporters have to be careful too. Best course of action, be sure to report them to GMs and spread the word about people that rip you off.

Also, I ABSOLUTELY agree about this whole "Item Trades" thing. Let them put it in their Bazaar, not in a trade window. Do your best to inform new players about this; let's keep Lakshmi a nice, safe, FUN server to use and not let absolute morons drag us all down.
#4 Sep 08 2004 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
Subarru wrote:

5. Teleports - pay for the teleport after the service has been rendered.

So maybe just pay for the teleport after the service has been rendered if you're using a new or discount tele-taxi service. :)

How about that "super shuttle" style tele I read about. Where the WHM waits to fill up his slots so he can tele a bunch of people at once. Is that common? Seems like you might have to wait a while sometimes for WHM that do that.
#5 Sep 08 2004 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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2. Item Trades - if someone is spam selling items and offers to trade them don't. Tell them to list them in their Bazaar and buy it from there.



In Jeuno there is a tax on bazaar Items so it is much easier to trade..........
#6 Sep 08 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Believe me I wouldnt buying it from the bazaar and losing 10% and make sure its safe. Or buy that bazaar person a tele(any) and warp 2 back to Jeuno (2000 gil for you and him) If the tax is more than 2k you save tax and you had fun ^^ (and made a WHM a little bit richer)
#7 Sep 08 2004 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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On a high price item, couldn't you avoid the tax by simply stepping out into Batallia/Rolanberry/Sauromugue? I would consider that a reasonable solution if two players are working out a transaction between each other.
#8 Sep 14 2004 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
What is the problem from buying an item off of a person in a direct trade? There is no way to scam a person unless you are completely retarded and/or overly anxious in clicking the "OK" button. The fact is when someone puts an item up for trade you can clearly see the item. Point two is that a person cannot change said item and/or gil trade without the other person having to click "OK" again. If any change is made prior to both parties consenting the trade it is no longer active and you have to "OK" the transaction again. Some items are just easier to buy in trade. Stacks of items clearly come to mind as well as the famed "Jeuno" tax. Some people try to save a buck any way they can. While I enjoy making as much money off my sales as possible I never fault a person to seek a deal. Anything is worth the asking, all that can be said is No.
#9 Sep 14 2004 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Subarru wrote:
4. Mining/Logging - don't join a mage's party if you are mining/logging, or doing other gil farming activities. They might just Warp/Teleport you away.
Hey unfair mage bashing ;P

Yeah I've heard some pretty nasty things about people Warp2'ing others... You can always disband (if fast enough) and they get warped back to their HP :P -- But seriously why would you be in a party to min/log anyhow... I do most of my stuff solo.
#10 Sep 15 2004 at 8:41 AM Rating: Default
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Hey unfair mage bashing ;P

Yeah I've heard some pretty nasty things about people Warp2'ing others... You can always disband (if fast enough) and they get warped back to their HP :P -- But seriously why would you be in a party to min/log anyhow... I do most of my stuff solo.


Split up the 4 sections of logging points in jugner.
#11 Sep 15 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
Argonaut wrote:
Hey unfair mage bashing ;P

I'm a mage. Just alerting folks to potential threats. :)

Edited, Wed Sep 15 11:40:27 2004 by Subarru
#12 Sep 15 2004 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
How about valuable drops? I read all the time about how someone got into a party to get a Vermillion Cloak or Lizzy Boots or something else super valuable only to get ripped off. I'd like to hear your ideas.

Mine:
a) do these fights with people you can trust - obvious :)
b) just lot on the items rather than do the usual someone will sell it and split the proceeds
c) party organizer gets first dibs (I read this somewhere not sure if I agree with it)

#13 Sep 15 2004 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
Hasufeld wrote:
Split up the 4 sections of logging points in jugner.


What are you suggesting? Making an explicit deal with other loggers to stay in their own 'zone'? Thanks for the post! :)

Edited, Wed Sep 15 12:43:25 2004 by Subarru
#14 Sep 15 2004 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
Mysterygamer wrote:
What is the problem from buying an item off of a person in a direct trade? There is no way to scam a person unless you are completely retarded and/or overly anxious in clicking the "OK" button.


Thanks for the feedback. I agree with you. There's no real problem with buying things in trade. People have been scammed on it and thus its inclusion here. :)

I made the recommendation because I haven't read anything on someone being ripped off from a Bazaar. You could put in the wrong gil amount or choose the wrong item but that's solely a bad action by the buyer. The only thing close I've seen is people putting up 1 arrow in the AH or Bazaar for the price of a stack and someone accidentally buying it. Mistake or scam - i'm not sure - possible both. :)

All your points are valid though. The way the system is setup there is no reason that one should get ripped off in a trade, but due to laziness, unfamiliarity with the game, being naive, in a hurry (or something else) people do.
#15 Sep 15 2004 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Instead of full payment for a teleport, why not accept half up front (once you are partied), then the other half once services are rendered. I have done this several times when I have needed a taxi. This way if you get ripped off by a untrustworthly whm your only loosing half and vice versa.

Just my thoughts on that...
#16 Sep 15 2004 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Subarru: yeah I was joking about the mage bashing :P

I dunno if I was to team up to do any sort of harvesting I'd do it with LS members. Other people on a generalised basis can't be trusted. Sure 95% of people out there can, but you could pick from the 5% making it seriously not worth the risk.

Also on the topic of Teli-taxi scams, I think I might spend some time in Jeuno compiling a list of teli-taxi's NA/JP and then get peoples feedback, on the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Then ask people to use this as a reference when to and when not to use certain Teli-taxi's. What do you think... 3 strokes they are out method or just plain they robbed me, they are out!

Edited, Wed Sep 15 18:49:30 2004 by Argonaut
#17 Sep 18 2004 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
Argonaut wrote:
Subarru: yeah I was joking about the mage bashing :P


LOL - I figured as much. I'm a little dense sometimes when it comes to jokes. :)

Great tip on the Tele-Scams. I agree if you get a couple people that are iffy about a service you probably don't want to use it.
#18 Sep 18 2004 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Sizzlebeard wrote:
Instead of full payment for a teleport, why not accept half up front (once you are partied), then the other half once services are rendered. I have done this several times when I have needed a taxi. This way if you get ripped off by a untrustworthly whm your only loosing half and vice versa.

Just my thoughts on that...


Great! Thanks for the tip. :) I added it above.
#19 Sep 28 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
Subarru wrote:
c) party organizer gets first dibs (I read this somewhere not sure if I agree with it)


i would rather lot on everything for the rest of my life then have that in effect...

i could see that statment coming up by the party leader disbanding the pt... but other than that... is it really possible?

#20 Sep 28 2004 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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One thing I have seen comes to mind

Make sure your party leader is not using QUATER MASTER

For those of you unfammiliar with this, is a party command the leader can use to set all item drops go to a sepcific person (usually himself), instead of random distribution. You can tell if Quarter Master is in effect by a little GREEN DOT to the left of a persons name.

I wouldnt have brought it up, if I hadnt actually seen a party leader try to do this to his party ><;; It was in Valkrum (surprise surprise) and I was the only one that noticed, I started tearing a strip off him, and all the other where going "WTF is going on". SO I told them what the leader was trying to do, they had no idea.

And then there is the whole issue of QM during BCNM and HNM etc etc. That falls into the "Know who you are doing high profile events with" category

His excuse was "I'm poor, i need the items"
Yeah so does everyone else jackass -_-
#21 Sep 29 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
DexxH wrote:
Make sure your party leader is not using QUATER MASTER


Great tip! Thanks. :)
#22 Sep 29 2004 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
DrkrImg wrote:
Subarru wrote:
c) party organizer gets first dibs (I read this somewhere not sure if I agree with it)


i would rather lot on everything for the rest of my life then have that in effect...

i could see that statment coming up by the party leader disbanding the pt... but other than that... is it really possible?


I think only possible if everyone agreed to let the party organizer lot and everyone else pass (and they did).
#23 Sep 30 2004 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
Hey, i was reading over this and I agree'd with most, the trading thing is impossible to get ripped off if both items are in the windows when you click okay.

The one that I didn't agree with completely is the Tele one, I'm 36 whm, and I occasionally try to get some gil by teleporting, if you don't trust the person, you shouldn't just d/b, I think a simple ask to go un-anon would do fine, or what I usually do is start casting and then trade, it makes everything faster. Just thinking about the d/bing and such because you'r enot comferatable isn't the best solution if it can be solved easily, because me as the WHM would not appreciate it. Just my 2 cents though ^^;
#24 Sep 30 2004 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Salsira! What's d/b? (don't buy?) On the tele-taxing. I just thought of something to make it easier. If the WHM is nearby you could just watch the person to see if that WHM is actually teleporting someone out. Watch them and then take the next "train". :)

Also I agree with you on the trading. People shouldn't get scammmed this way if they are careful and always check, but I've read a few posts on Allakhazam about it. I've updated the tip to include - the checking though. Thanks for hammering in that point. I think I missed it when the other person mention it. :)
#25 Sep 30 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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d/b = disband, I believe.
#26 Sep 30 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
yep ^^ disband :)
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