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#202 Oct 23 2007 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
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Yep, and TBC is still botting. DB is still botting. SH is still botting. What's your point?
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Don't need 3rd party tools at uncontested Kings camp at 3am....
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Oh yea I'm PST, so that's 6am EST <.<
...which is way too early for 90% of the players out there,
however, I work graveyard shift so I'm used to all nighters.


oh wow rocked us.... grats you get up at 3am to get a king so you win...


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Clearly, I picked the right server. Your dragons told me so. You've had some stick up your ass from the begining of this thread, are you even in an hnmls? Or do you just like to bitch on Alla with no proof.


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Competition? thats like giving us BB guns and you using m4s.... funny thing is people still beat you to claim even when you have 20ish bots?

you guys are losers and cheaters and thats all there is to it.

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#204Clynt, Posted: Oct 23 2007 at 12:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ZOMG YOU HAVE MOAR BOTS SO YOU CHEAT MOAR. I rest my case, all the other LS have botters and until they kick them they can shut the @#%^ up.
#205Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 23 2007 at 1:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ketrel you sure your dad is ok with you being on Alla? You might want to get off the computer before you nearly fail English again.
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Ketrel you sure your dad is ok with you being on Alla? You might want to get off the computer before you nearly fail English again.


yea he said it was fine... so did your mom though tell her thx for the great price.

wait so i admit something to a public forum then you try and use it to insult me...? wow you won the argument.Smiley: oyvey

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#207 Oct 23 2007 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Clynt, please refrain from suggesting that all LS's bot.

From now on say, "All LS's but TNK bot" thank you sir.
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#208Clynt, Posted: Oct 23 2007 at 2:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm referring to all LS' that show up to DA.
#209 Oct 23 2007 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
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wait so i admit something to a public forum then you try and use it to insult me...? wow you won the argument


There is no arguement. Actually the only reason I'm mentioning it is because you're calling people losers when you can't even focus enough on your own real life crap and end up failing nearly 2 classes. Pretty sad that your dad had to ban you from getting on FF because you can't do it yourself; and yet you call people losers? How the hell do you nearly fail English? Kinda sad man.

Maybe you should keep your mouth shut when things don't concern you and focus a little more on getting your pathetic life up to par.
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#210 Oct 23 2007 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually the only reason I'm mentioning it is because you're calling people losers when you can't even focus enough on your own real life crap and end up failing nearly 2 classes. Pretty sad that your dad had to ban you from getting on FF because you can't do it yourself; and yet you call people losers? How the hell do you nearly fail English? Kinda sad man.


actually the reason i was failing was because iv been jetsetting everywhere w/ my dad working... making $ so I haven't been attending school while here i get on and say hi to my friends because my dad wouldn't admit that its my travel habits that account to my bad grades...

then my teacher said it to his face and he couldn't deny it. enough about me... you are cheating losers and should rot for it. you say its just fair game but its not.
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#211 Oct 23 2007 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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go go go go Ketrel^^

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#212 Oct 23 2007 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Poor dEMO ppl. You only wish I had left because of you. I left because of who got the shell after Wooglin quit and didn't like the way tbc was heading. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth. I just check this at work when I get a chance. It's sad to see that nothing has changed. dEMO is still botting while touching each other at night. Doesn't look like much has changed.


http://bluegartrls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=21043
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i see drama hasnt changed on the server in my year long absense >.<

gee anyone remember the good old days of bitching about nova? you remember when the sky gods were all that and botting wasnt rampant.....


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#214 Oct 24 2007 at 4:58 AM Rating: Default
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Poor dEMO ppl. You only wish I had left because of you. I left because of who got the shell after Wooglin quit and didn't like the way tbc was heading. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.


http://bluegartrls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=21043

haha so what now Cem? Ah it doesn't really matter you're just a ghost to us at this point and apparently you need no help making yourself look like an idiot.

Ketrel; regardless of what you think of Demo, we'll continue to be a key factor in the HNM scene so in all honesty you're wasting your time. Just focus on what you need to do for yourself and don't worry what we're doing. I don't really care about you one way or another but regardless I hope that you get your issues worked out.



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#215 Oct 24 2007 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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As I have stated before. I decided to stay because of a few friends and to claim Kings and NQ in your face :) (which I did rather well even against you bots) I left only a month ago and did not even go to that server. Again you dont get all of your information before jumping to a conclusion. I was raping you at claims before I left. Bellamy and Demian are the reason I am no longer on Kujata. It's not because of dEMObots.

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#216Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 5:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well give yourself a big pat on the back for claiming so well. Seems all you can do is make claims but then again if you lie to yourself enough I'm sure you make yourself believe anything; like believing that you've managed to piss anyone in Demo off with your useless claims. In the end you're still off the server so that's one less ultimate claiming machine to worry about. Thanks for making it easier on us <3
#217 Oct 24 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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gee anyone remember the good old days of bitching about nova? you remember when the sky gods were all that and botting wasnt rampant.....


hm lol, do the names xtek & dorkmage bring back any memories? theres always been botting, people will always look for ways to have an advantage, especially in games upon which their egos rest.




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#218Spikido, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 10:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow... this thread still lives on? lol
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theres always been botting, people will always look for ways to have an advantage, especially in games upon which their egos rest.


And quite honestly until we see some accounts start getting banned with 5+ level 75 jobs, relics, completed salvage gears, dalmaticas, krakens, ridills, etc. etc. People will continue using 3rd party tools.

While I don't condone the use of them by any means, after tossing it around way too much in my head I am starting to look at it like speeding. You go 5mph over the limit (maybe ffxitool) and don't see any police for 6 months, so every day you speed up a little faster. Before you know it you are going 25mph over the speed limit (using ffxiapp or another 3rd party tool to claim HNMs) and so are a lot of people around you. All the people going 25mph over the speed limit are getting to work way faster (getting more items). One day you go down that same stretch of road and there are 14 people pulled over getting $200 tickets. (banstick) The next day you find yourself going the speed limit again.

I can agree that a fair amount of endgame shells have players using bots to claim. I personally believe the Kira is Justice list to be fairly accurate, I have no basis for that other than the people I know that do use FFXIAPP were on the list. DEMO seems to bear the brunt of it because of their reputation, attitude, and the number of members that appeared on the list. I'll admit I saw people on the Kira is Justince list that really surprised me because they were people I had known back in the day before us NA people knew what endgame was.

Until SE implements some kind of countermeasure or starts actually banning people for using 3rd party tools to claim HNMs people will only continue to use them because quite honestly there is no reason for them not to...

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#220Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 11:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) wow I didn't know people with reason existed on this server. Nice way of putting things Soldur.
#221Spikido, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 11:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Married life? ....... -.-***
#222 Oct 24 2007 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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I'm confused though... why is Demo being singled out in the aspect of botting, when it's clear that they're not the only LS that has members that do?



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#223Spikido, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 1:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
#224GovernorOfGaruda, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 2:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Not really, I know we had a few good laughs when I posted that. Good times, good friends, good drama. I wasn't on the list, nor will I ever be on any list like it. I rarely play the game right now due to a busy RL, and when I do come back, don't expect me to kick 8-12 people from the linkshell. We're all friends in Demo, and I won't turn my back on people who use 3rd party tools. My loyalty goes past something as petty as that. Would you turn your back on a friend because he got a speeding ticket?
#225Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 2:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) amen
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If you look at the list, think about the people there, why are they botting? They have just about everything they could want from HNM, so why would they do it? The answer in my mind is good intentions, they do what they think helps out the linkshell as a whole. Some people are as happy to see a friend get gear as they are getting the gear themselves. These are people who put thier account on the line for the greater good of the linkshell, you've seen our page. We're probably the most successful linkshell on the server as of right now, and some whining on alla certainly is not going to take that away from us. When our biggest critic is some dragoon who still lives with his parents and has no real HNM experiece, I'm not concerned.


Ok since we really all play a game (not me much any more but thats ok) so there really is line one rule set down by the makers... don't @#%^ing cheat... yes there are some social rules but you sh*t all over those too so that doesn't really matter.

Thats like me robbing a bank killing a bunch of people then taking the money and donating it to charity... oh wow my intentions were good so I cant get in trouble...

the biggest problems in the world have been based on good intentions... you think Hitler murdered 6million people because he simply wanted to cause damage? sh*t Im Jewish and even I know he defended himself by saying he was trying to "clean the world".

when Al Capone was arrested and questioned he swore to god he didn't understand why he was there (and he probably didn't). When the police asked him why he didn't understand or refused to understand he explained he was simply a kind entertainer of men and didn't deserve to be in there. He simply wanted to give people the best time they could have.

so yea the worst tragedies in the world have been based on good intentions try and find a better defense for your shameless cheating...

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wasn't on the list, nor will I ever be on any list like it. I rarely play the game right now due to a busy RL, and when I do come back, don't expect me to kick 8-12 people from the linkshell. We're all friends in Demo, and I won't turn my back on people who use 3rd party tools. My loyalty goes past something as petty as that. Would you turn your back on a friend because he got a speeding ticket?


Funny Bush will never be pinned down for basically murdering thousands of people for no apparent reason and he will never flip on him vice president no matter what sh*t he doesn't.. (shooting some one in the @#%^ing face comes to mind) he like you speaks and acts through other people (general petraeus comes to mind).

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#227 Oct 24 2007 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok since we really all play a game (not me much any more but thats ok) so there really is line one rule set down by the makers... don't @#%^ing cheat... yes there are some social rules but you sh*t all over those too so that doesn't really matter.

Theres other rules: don't use windower, don't use profane language, don't play this game until you're 13. As for social rules, theres plenty of others that have shat all over them before we came on the scene and still continue to do so.

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Thats like me robbing a bank killing a bunch of people then taking the money and donating it to charity... oh wow my intentions were good so I cant get in trouble...

Oh, didn't realize killing people was on the same level as botting. Seriously, theres no connection. Let me try to blow things out of proportion here, "Going 5mph over the speed limit is like murder since they're both against the law". It makes me wonder if you even think before you post.

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the biggest problems in the world have been based on good intentions... you think Hitler murdered 6million people because he simply wanted to cause damage? sh*t Im Jewish and even I know he defended himself by saying he was trying to "clean the world".

And you compare us to Hitler? Demo is Nazi Germany? Hmm. No.

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Funny Bush will never be pinned down for basically murdering thousands of people for no apparent reason and he will never flip on him vice president no matter what sh*t he doesn't.. (shooting some one in the @#%^ing face comes to mind) he like you speaks and acts through other people (general petraeus comes to mind).


Funny Bush ordered troops to Iraq, we never ordered anyone to bot. We don't encourage it either. If you bot. you bot. If you don't, you dont. You really fail at these comparisions here. You are so failing your SAT.

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slam me all you want doest make me wrong.


It makes you naive, which is worse. Not only are you wrong, you don't have enough experience in life or game to realize you are. You go on your crusade backed with your book of ignorance. Fighting your battle for the sake of belligerence. Our good intentions are for our shell, our community, our friends. I think you may of confused that point. Just like all the others.
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It makes you naive, which is worse. Not only are you wrong, you don't have enough experience in life or game to realize you are. You go on your crusade backed with your book of ignorance. Fighting your battle for the sake of belligerence. Our good intentions are for our shell, our community, our friends. I think you may of confused that point. Just like all the others.


weather you recognize it or not your community includes the rest of the server the vary same people you cheat out of gear.

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Funny Bush ordered troops to Iraq, we never ordered anyone to bot. We don't encourage it either. If you bot. you bot. If you don't, you dont. You really fail at these comparisons here. You are so failing your SAT.


3 months ago you said you would kick people that bot now your saying you dont condone it give it another month and it will be a requirement.

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Oh, didn't realize killing people was on the same level as botting. Seriously, theres no connection. Let me try to blow things out of proportion here, "Going 5mph over the speed limit is like murder since they're both against the law". It makes me wonder if you even think before you post.


Also I never stated a minor infraction(misdemeanor) of the law holds the same weight as a felony but if you take the idea of murder and transfer it to the game this is what you get. The worst thing you can steal from people is their time and you have manage to do that splendidly grats.

You call me ignorant but you cant even put things into context.... Obviously we cant kill each other in the game. You do however cheat people out of claims which in turn makes them lose time. people die and the people around them lose any time they could have had w/ them. if you cant see a corilation there... you stealing (because that is what it is when you cheat) you are robbing people of their time

you are giving yourself an edge that they don't have and are (or were) leading people to the conclusion that they had a fair and equal chance to claim which they didnt/dont. so you are lairs and cheaters to the most extreme weather you recognize it or not.

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#229GovernorOfGaruda, Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 9:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, the edge that we have isn't as obvious as you make it out to be. We get outclaimed and people without bots in the linkshell also claim a fair amount of the time. We drew our line in the sand, we stated our intentions and what we plan to do. The playing ground is as fair as people make it out to be. The programs are not hard to find if you're willing to take the chance. Some are, some aren't and some are still in the closet. It's fine, I'll be a lair in the most extreme weather any day.
#230lacrusso, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 1:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) does this sh*tty war will finally end or it will continue until SE decides to shut down FFXI?
#231Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 4:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Most likely it'll continue as long as we continue to be competition to people that can't handle it and resort to crying and moaning. Ironically the majority of the bitching is coming from two people that don't even camp Kings against us, go figure.
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Finally! Godwin's Law at work. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up Hitler.

This argument has been going on for far longer than this thread, and will continue for long after its dead and gone. It would probably be best for everyone to stop wasting their breath and time and just let people do whatever the hell they're going to do anyways.

Personally, I like the speeding reference. Its a little more severe if you get caught in FFXI - kind of like them just taking your car from you instead of getting a ticket - but people will get away with whatever they can get away with for as long as they can do it. Now, I think it happens to reveal a fair bit about the moral alignment of individuals who prefer to follow the rules and those who choose to give themselves an unfair advantage, but if people truly don't care about others' opinions, then it's a moot point.

(Sidenote: I think the whole "we don't care what you think of us" is a damn lie. I think you guys love the idea that you're the upstart punks screwing up everyone's perfect little world on this server. You like to be everyone's enemy.)

Lastly, if it doesn't affect you, why care? And if you truly care about things that don't affect you, spend that energy helping the homeless or donating to charities. There are far greater injustices in this world (the real world) than cheating.



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#233Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 6:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually it's not the notoriety gained that I like but the fact that we still manage to be one, if not the top HNMLS on the server regardless of what people say of us.
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Actually it's not the notoriety gained that I like but the fact that we still manage to be one, if not the top HNMLS on the server regardless of what people say of us because we cheat to claim.


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most likely it'll continue as long as people try to soley peg us for things that other Linkshells do as well.


Law 101: Defending yourself with "But other people are doing it too" does not clear you of any charges, nor will it have any positive effect on the penalty's of your actions.

It's a stupid, child-like response. Nothing more.

It doesn't matter if you say other people are doing it as well. We don't care. We see you bot, you tell us yourselves you bot and you have no desire to stop botting anytime in the future because you currently get the top number of claims on HNM camps. (Gee, i wonder how that happened...)

It was Demo against Kujata from the first day you say? And you don't think the sh*tty attitude of the Demo members and openly comming out for using bots has anything to do with the "warm" welcome we gave you?

You know, after a while, the GM's are going to get sick of all the reports comming in. At that point it won't matter if they don't have a reasonable amount of evidence. Accounts are going to be lost, people are going to get hurt, and the mass-suicide of Demo members will be all over YouTube. It's going to be wicked.

Perhaps some good advice... Your 90-day waiting period is over. You guys should go server hop again before things get out of hand. I hear Ifrit is nice and peaceful this time of year.

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Actually it's not the notoriety gained that I like but the fact that we still manage to be one, if not the top HNMLS on the server regardless of what people say of us.


Thats like showing off about being one of the best quale hunters... you neglect to mention however that the birds you hunt are on a preserver, fenced in , have had their wings clipped and drive around the preserve in stead of walking.

Demo: pull the car over I wanna kill something, haha stupid birds we got them in the corner...

grats your the best or one of the best.... to bad you have to cheat to get their.

Im sure there is some psychosis for this where the individual will do anything they can to win even if its against all social moral rules.
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#237Clynt, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 8:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I said it before and I'll say it again; all LS have active botters, you all just choose to jump on the bandwagon and attack us because we're new to the server. Well, we're not going anywhere lol... <3 this server. You all just make me <3 it that much more, I wanna stay here just to piss you all off. Honestly, I find it pretty funny how much we can piss people off without even trying very hard lolololol.
#238Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 8:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You guys are so goddamn ignorant it's not even funny. I never said "Oh you guys bot so we do". I said this stupid crap won't stop as long as you all make it out like we're the only bad guys on the server. I could care less what you guys think of us. I care about the people in the LS and the ones that try to be civil with us and the rest of you can drown in the tub for all I care.
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The "Band Wagon" was jumped because you had 20 + people in your ls that was on that FFXiapp list. Everyone accuses you of cheating before hand including a ton of people from your old server. All accusations are compltetely denied as rumour and bs. This list comes out and suddenly you do a 180, now every ls apparenlty bots and cheats. Not only that but because they apparently do, it's ay-ok for you to continue to do so, and even though you know people in your ls bot or use other 3rd party tool programs it's ok because they are your friends?

You're garbage, your ls is garbage, and that why your reputation proceeds your entire ls.

Cheating, is cheating, is cheating, there is no excuse. I could care less if you put 10000 hours into this game with a relic weapon and you've kill X amount of god and HNM's. The ban stick will drop eventually.
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I said it before and I'll say it again; most LS have active botters, you all just choose to jump on the bandwagon and attack dEMO because we're openly botting AFTER it was posted that we do. Well, we're not going anywhere lol... <3 having the most bots on this server. You all just make me <3 it that much more, I wanna stay here just to sit afk running my bot with my thumb up my butt. Honestly, I find it pretty funny how much we can piss people off sitting afk running our bots lolololol.


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#241Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 8:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Menion, Menion.... mmm... I'm sorry who are you?
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I don't take anything you say seriously anyway Ketrel. Someone that can't tell the difference between their and there, let alone being able to make logical examples isn't worth it. No wonder you nearly failed English... Oh wait nvm I forgot that's your dad's fault; or maybe it's both your parent's fault for raising a moron in the first place.


Well, I won't point out the NUMEROUS errors to grammar and spelling you have made in this thread. I will however, point out that attacking HOW someone says something rather than addressing WHAT they have to say is moronic in the extreme.

Besides, noone is more aware of his spelling shortcomings than Ket. Get with the program geez.





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#243Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 9:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually Sassy, if you pay attention dear I did both. His examples make no sense and are detrimental to his point. The spelling and grammar don't help either. So yes HOW someone says something is important to the WHAT if it makes no sense to begin with. Just take a look up at his arguement with Gov for examples.
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Well, I won't point out the NUMEROUS errors to grammar and spelling you have made in this thread. I will however, point out that attacking HOW someone says something rather than addressing WHAT they have to say is moronic in the extreme.

Besides, noone is more aware of his spelling shortcomings than Ket. Get with the program geez.




I'm used to it sass it turns out when the people cant respond to what you say they try and nitpick at how you said it to try and distract you from the fact that they have no replay

its more like a quite approbation of the truth you guys didn't contest it so in a fashion you agreed that you are lairs and cheaters and will do anything to win even if its unethical grats...
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#245Clynt, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 9:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah? What's your point? You act like every LS isn't.
#246Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 9:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) My God are you blind on top of being stupid?
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Yup looks like Quikk was on the list. Looks like you got TBC on that one. Every other name on that list from tbc was kicked, banned, or switched servers. I dont know if Quikk has been kicked yet, but he should be.

I still see lots of people in dEMOBOT on that list that are plenty active and as you already stated will not be kicked. When all is said and done all of your gear is meaningless because you had to cheat to get it. The reason people take longer to kill lolfafnir is because they want to make sure everything goes smoothly because they dont have 20 something ppl that can afk and still claim for them. You take what 4 hours to kill Tiamat? Oh wow you killed LOLVRTRA. Anyone with enough smns and blms can kill that thing. It does not take skill to kill it. All you need is the people.
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#248 Oct 25 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Default
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ok, i was wrong

i thought that this sh*t would end someday but it wont end until SE decides to shutdown this game forever.

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#249Clynt, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 9:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, we had 1 4 hr Tiamat in the middle of JP time when I wasn't on because there was like 18 people there and 1/2 of them were being 2boxed. I haven't seen an LS on this server even kill Tiamat with less than 25, and you weren't even on the server for our 4 hour Tiamat so I don't know why you're talking about something you don't know about. With the exception of that one, pretty much every other Tiamat we have fought was less than a 1 hour fight. TBC takes 4 hours to kill it 90% of the time. You're also contradicting yourself on the Fafnir part there, bud. You're saying people take longer because their people aren't "afk claiming." If all our 20 people were "afk claiming," how does that help us kill it faster? Why hasn't TBC killed Vrtra lately? They sure as hell have the people. Anyways, I just wanna close this by saying you are an idiot and that's all there is to it. You argue on here just to argue, you don't even know what the @#%^ you're arguing about 1/2 the time.
#250Kenjakat, Posted: Oct 25 2007 at 9:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Again logic is not your forte Cem. So when all is said and done and you turn off the game that gear means what excatly? Are you trying to prove something to your online friends?
#251 Oct 25 2007 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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It won't end until the following happens:

#1. SE has bansticked the people using 3rd party apps to claim. Thus the people not using the applications will rejoice and the people getting banned will reflect up the "Good Ole' Days".

#2. Everyone starts using claim bots because nothing is happening to the people that do. Then people will be out botting Spini Spipi and Cargo Crab Colin. There will be no one else to accuse, because anyone not using these applications will be lame...


The fighing of the monsters is really irrelevant to the use of 3rd party tools since as of today, they cannot fight these big guys for you.

Edited, Oct 25th 2007 1:50pm by FFXISoldur
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