Campaign wh*resFollow

It's not a game, it's an mmorpg, there's a difference.

and yes, I don't like very many tarus, just a few. <_< Something about the little midgets running around... just so uncomfortable.....

Hey guys,

Looks like there's some disagreement about how many points are assigned to what actions during campaign. Here's a link I stumbled across... maybe it'll help.

http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/Campaign_Point_Calculation

I haven't tested everything, but what I did manage to test seems to agree with that link.

I do campaign as BST/WHM to get the best of both worlds for xp purposes. Usually end up above 1.5k per battle. Now to the point:

1. Any mob in campaign is fair game. Saying its "your mob and you better stay clear" is one of the dumber things I have read on this forum. You want to solo, take a hike up the river and find some solo mobs. The campaign mobs are for whoever is at a certain battleground and are there for everyone.

2. The main place I campaign at is at Jugner [s]. I don't know if it is common to the other allied campaigns, but here is what I see on a daily basis:

a. mobs rush in
b. a bunch of players wait until someone engages one and then gang r*pe it.
c. Once the gang r*pe is done on that one people start looking for the next one to be engaged and then proceed to annihilate as per the first one.
d. Some stupid soloist drags his mob halfway across the map so they can feel good about holding up the show for everyone else.
e. Friendly neighborhood BST widescans where the soloist has dragged his mob to and feeds that information to the enraged crowd.
f. Crowd goes gang r*pes soloist's mob.

Now there are some kinks here and there that change this usual mode, like the Orc Warmachine showing up and doing AoE until most everyone is laying face down or some idiot who is aggro'd running around the tower pulling 15 of the mobs down on top of people, but for the most part a-f above is what I see everyday. The only person screwing with the campaign is the "leet" soloist trying to impress..themselves I guess.

No one cares if you think the mob is yours. They want to get through the wave and either get ready for the next wave or get their xp/an. Period. You don't like it? Do something besides campaign then.

*wonders if "leet" soloist bitches at the npc when they start helping too* sigh.

I've been doin some sauramounga(sp?) champaign recently(yaguado) and like i've been saying the mobs are @#%^ing blind, i can A. solo them, and B. duo/trio with low levels meleeing and feeding them tp, and I don't even have Ni, the AoE is annoying but for the most part they usually miss me, I hear what ur saying but i seriously can't understand mpking someone when you have 3 more shadows than me and i'm doing fine with other lower levels meleeing on it.

Campaign is just simply not solo, if you want to hold some mobs to get em off base, or u wanna pull it off someone fine, but there's no reason to complain about it when someone else engages the mob even if it's a level 40. I wouldn't even say these are past DC at 73(also, got 73 btw) your acting like these are damn T mobs lol.. thier a fun campaign mob that are EP and ment for more than level 75's or they wudn't let the lower levels get exp.

edit: typos

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 12:51pm by SamuraiKing

It's hard to pull hate off a mnk lol, now if you were on rdm..(u have rdm right?)



lot's of ppl do that :/ I prefer some of the other ones, not gonna name where because i dotn want everyone there but <_< there's always npcs there to hold the mobs and u can pull them off and solo, hardly anyone there. It's really laggy in jugner/rolan cause half the time theres generally 30 or so ppl there.

The only way to stop getting the links since ppl wont pull them off u and instead attack the one you were fighting is just to pull them a little out of the path where the mobs come in from so they dont link.(but dont take it where ppl cant see it and spend 1hour killing it...) There's always gonna be problems like this, so the only ones i really fuss about is the not raising ppl, i cud care less if u dont cure me aslong as u get me back up. :/

speaking from experience, campaign mobs generally don't do enough damage to remove hate from a MNK unless the MNK dies or stops attacking.
Its one of those special jobs that has juuuuust enough damage mitigation in terms of defense/vit/evasion/guard to not loose hate to TP moves, but not enough to save it without outside healing help from the regular attacks.

Oh yeah, I know. Actually, this happened when 8 or 9 yagudo were coming to the fortress, and I thought they had all aggroed one person. I was trying to pull one off him, but apparently they hadn't all aggroed yet, because one of them linked with the one I pulled.



Nope, I'm monk onry. But yeah, there were war/nins in there. Usually I don't mind tanking, but a gigas can do 100 damage crits and 300+ for tp moves. I know it's hard to see someone else's hp when you're engaged, but when the tank is spamming curing waltz 2, you can guess he's in trouble and should put your shadows to good use.

I think next time that happens, I'm just going to use Desperate Flourish and kite it.

Possible but thier evasion is ass too. I was using Gaxe for sh*ts n giggles on a campaign(208 skill) and hitting all 3 hits + some DA ones i spose. Granted i was 75, but my skill level wasnt, so im really thinking thier just EP level at 75.

100 a fist is more than EP, but thier also rarer to see than the main 3 beastmen so they may be higher level, but regular gigas aren't really fun to play with either.

I actually like tanking in campaign, even when im 95% with no healer. The Pixie is your friend. Love it. Occasionally death happens, new mobs rush in and happen to like to link with you, but if your capable of tanking(not saying this to anyone, just in general) then don't sit there and just melee, try to ws and get hate off someone for a bit. If u take a little bit of dmg that just gives u more exp, and the pixie will always heal u.(when it refreshes mp back)

I'll never understand why people have to take an obviously group orientated xp activity and turn it into their own little merit pt.

WTF is with people heading off and intercepting the waves WAY before they get close to the fortifications. Nothing sucks worse than hearing the battle music for 15 mins and seeing nothing the entire time. If you can horde the mobs then you should take your group to a regular xp camp and doitrite.

I've never had probs with mages not raising. Jugner [S] on Gilgamesh is pretty civil with the raises.

After years of people complaining for an xp scenario such as Campaign it's frusterating to see people exclude the group dynamic. Tanks should tank until the end of the fight. Not shluff of the mob when people come over and try to get their swings in. Tank the thing till it's dead, and go find another.

Not everybody can solo a mob. As a drg/blu I can safely solo any gnole or drg-type orc outside of the nm's, even the rng-types. (Que gimp comments). However the others I can't, and to be honest I don't particularly like to solo the mobs. It's a group battle, we're there to all gain xp. And, yeah, it's going to be better for some Xp wise, but it's free, unloseable. It could be beseiged.

Call out waves, don't get pissy when somebody comes over and helps out with the mob at hand, and for altana's sake, stop hording mobs.