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#52 Feb 08 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Gee, am I the only person who plays this FFXI to have fun?

Don't like campaign? Don't do it.

Peeved at others for ruining your fun?
You play with loads of people with loads of personalities and various abilities. I do believe that is what this game is all about?
Either deal with it, or don't play.

Personally, I rarely go to campaign as I don't really enjoy it. I would rather party a low level job or w/e. Only time I go is to cap exp lost from Dynamis.

And since when does a character have to be a 'master' to be worthwhile? No offense, but some of you take this game WAAAAAY too seriously.
It's a game for heaven's sake.

#53 Feb 08 2008 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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It's not a game, it's an mmorpg, there's a difference.

and yes, I don't like very many tarus, just a few. <_< Something about the little midgets running around... just so uncomfortable.....
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#55 Feb 08 2008 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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Samurai, this is the part where I quote something you said and say "This isn't what I meant, if you read it more closely" etc etc.

I'll pass the post by post arguement and just say this instead- I wasn't talking to you. I was addressing Apelila in a somewhat joking manner. Also, you sure as **** can get points while curing.. just not anything worth noting when all you do is spend the battle curing. I understand where Ape's coming from- it's annoying to spend half a battle face down while someone who you can blatantly tell can raise you fights a losing battle over your corpse. My point? Since you aren't in a party with these people, since they won't get much more than some pity exp for spending a battle curing, and since you didn't lose any exp for dying anyway- you may as well not be angry or surprised by how things work out. I would say gauge the amount of times you've had to homepoint mid-campaign because there was flat out no raise for you versus the times you actually did get a raise.

Also, why you got to be hatin' on Tarus? Racist..


/humbled

Your right, I shouldn't let it bother me since there's literally nothing lost other than potential. I'm serious when I say I keep names of people who do **** like MPK me (hi2u melee BLM & WHM) and have/will use the information for justice though.

Also: jesus christ, what the **** is all this emo shat?
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#56 Feb 09 2008 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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Hey guys,

Looks like there's some disagreement about how many points are assigned to what actions during campaign. Here's a link I stumbled across... maybe it'll help.

http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/Campaign_Point_Calculation

I haven't tested everything, but what I did manage to test seems to agree with that link.
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#57 Feb 09 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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that helps, but the caps dont make any sense to me. If i autoattack for my 300cap, crit enuf for my 300cap, then skillchain enuf for 300cap thats 900, how do i get more than that from just meleeing?

But it seems u get more exp from curing/raising and meleeing than just meleeing. Which i've said in like the 2nd post...
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#58 Feb 09 2008 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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I do campaign as BST/WHM to get the best of both worlds for xp purposes. Usually end up above 1.5k per battle. Now to the point:

1. Any mob in campaign is fair game. Saying its "your mob and you better stay clear" is one of the dumber things I have read on this forum. You want to solo, take a hike up the river and find some solo mobs. The campaign mobs are for whoever is at a certain battleground and are there for everyone.

2. The main place I campaign at is at Jugner [s]. I don't know if it is common to the other allied campaigns, but here is what I see on a daily basis:

a. mobs rush in
b. a bunch of players wait until someone engages one and then gang r*pe it.
c. Once the gang r*pe is done on that one people start looking for the next one to be engaged and then proceed to annihilate as per the first one.
d. Some stupid soloist drags his mob halfway across the map so they can feel good about holding up the show for everyone else.
e. Friendly neighborhood BST widescans where the soloist has dragged his mob to and feeds that information to the enraged crowd.
f. Crowd goes gang r*pes soloist's mob.

Now there are some kinks here and there that change this usual mode, like the Orc Warmachine showing up and doing AoE until most everyone is laying face down or some idiot who is aggro'd running around the tower pulling 15 of the mobs down on top of people, but for the most part a-f above is what I see everyday. The only person ******** with the campaign is the "leet" soloist trying to impress..themselves I guess.

No one cares if you think the mob is yours. They want to get through the wave and either get ready for the next wave or get their xp/an. Period. You don't like it? Do something besides campaign then.

*wonders if "leet" soloist ******* at the npc when they start helping too* sigh.
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#60 Feb 09 2008 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with Nynja, in that my comment was based on quadavs. I haven't done anything but Bastok zones.

Are any of the others any harder?
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#61 Feb 10 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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I've been doin some sauramounga(sp?) champaign recently(yaguado) and like i've been saying the mobs are @#%^ing blind, i can A. solo them, and B. duo/trio with low levels meleeing and feeding them tp, and I don't even have Ni, the AoE is annoying but for the most part they usually miss me, I hear what ur saying but i seriously can't understand mpking someone when you have 3 more shadows than me and i'm doing fine with other lower levels meleeing on it.

Campaign is just simply not solo, if you want to hold some mobs to get em off base, or u wanna pull it off someone fine, but there's no reason to complain about it when someone else engages the mob even if it's a level 40. I wouldn't even say these are past DC at 73(also, got 73 btw) your acting like these are **** T mobs lol.. thier a fun campaign mob that are EP and ment for more than level 75's or they wudn't let the lower levels get exp.

edit: typos

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 12:51pm by SamuraiKing
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#62 Feb 10 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Things that **** me off in Campaign:

1. I start attacking something and 5-6 people join in who both refuse to try to take hate or cure me. Got dropped by a gigas yesterday because of that nonsense. It was doing a WS about every five seconds.

2. Someone has multiple mobs on them, and instead of pulling one off, you go attack the purple mob that everyone is gang beating. The least you can do is train one to the NPCs and let them kill it. But honestly, every job in the game has the tools to hold one campaign mob without dying.

3. I'm attacking one mob and get aggroed by something else. Instead of attacking the mob that aggroed me, you attack the mob I'm fighting. That's a simple enough fix though. I'll Wait until you do a WS, and switch targets. No remorse there.

The point is, people should pull their weight on defense. Either be willing to tank some of the time, cure, or find a pld who likes to provoke and follow them around.
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#63 Feb 10 2008 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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1. I start attacking something and 5-6 people join in who both refuse to try to take hate or cure me. Got dropped by a gigas yesterday because of that nonsense. It was doing a WS about every five seconds.


It's hard to pull hate off a mnk lol, now if you were on rdm..(u have rdm right?)

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3. I'm attacking one mob and get aggroed by something else. Instead of attacking the mob that aggroed me, you attack the mob I'm fighting. That's a simple enough fix though. I'll Wait until you do a WS, and switch targets. No remorse there.


lot's of ppl do that :/ I prefer some of the other ones, not gonna name where because i dotn want everyone there but <_< there's always npcs there to hold the mobs and u can pull them off and solo, hardly anyone there. It's really laggy in jugner/rolan cause half the time theres generally 30 or so ppl there.

The only way to stop getting the links since ppl wont pull them off u and instead attack the one you were fighting is just to pull them a little out of the path where the mobs come in from so they dont link.(but dont take it where ppl cant see it and spend 1hour killing it...) There's always gonna be problems like this, so the only ones i really fuss about is the not raising ppl, i cud care less if u dont cure me aslong as u get me back up. :/
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#65 Feb 11 2008 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
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He said he starts attacking something and "then" the other ppl come, they weren't there at the start, so no they wouldn't have built up enough hate in the most likely short ammount of time. He didn't really give specifics so we can't really decide if they 'could' have pulled hate or not, but you can keep trying to make me look like an *** if you please. We've already well established mages are lazy and don't care to cure.(generalization, not fact for all of them) Unless some of them were war/nin or nin/war I doubt they would voke, but he didn't say what jobs they were.
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#66 Feb 11 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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speaking from experience, campaign mobs generally don't do enough damage to remove hate from a MNK unless the MNK dies or stops attacking.
Its one of those special jobs that has juuuuust enough damage mitigation in terms of defense/vit/evasion/guard to not loose hate to TP moves, but not enough to save it without outside healing help from the regular attacks.
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#68 Feb 11 2008 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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See, I didn't know that those mobs are any harder, but I can agree that if they're tougher, then the tp thing might come into play. At the same time, if they are that much beefier, then how does a lvl 60 hit them?
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#70 Feb 11 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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The only way to stop getting the links since ppl wont pull them off u and instead attack the one you were fighting is just to pull them a little out of the path where the mobs come in from so they dont link.(but dont take it where ppl cant see it and spend 1hour killing it...) There's always gonna be problems like this, so the only ones i really fuss about is the not raising ppl, i cud care less if u dont cure me aslong as u get me back up. :/


Oh yeah, I know. Actually, this happened when 8 or 9 yagudo were coming to the fortress, and I thought they had all aggroed one person. I was trying to pull one off him, but apparently they hadn't all aggroed yet, because one of them linked with the one I pulled.

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It's hard to pull hate off a mnk lol, now if you were on rdm..(u have rdm right?)


Nope, I'm monk onry. But yeah, there were war/nins in there. Usually I don't mind tanking, but a gigas can do 100 damage crits and 300+ for tp moves. I know it's hard to see someone else's hp when you're engaged, but when the tank is spamming curing waltz 2, you can guess he's in trouble and should put your shadows to good use.

I think next time that happens, I'm just going to use Desperate Flourish and kite it.
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#71 Feb 11 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Desperate flourish is awesome. I think they should lower the recast since it can miss, but it's so good in campaign for that very reason. You can run and use waltzes to stay ahead of the damage dealt.
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#72 Feb 11 2008 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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I think SE may have made some campaign specific modifications to the level adjustment section of the accuracy/attack code.

Thats just my belief though, I'd have to check it out. But its the only feasible explination for how lv50's and merited 75's can participate in the same activity.


Possible but thier evasion is *** too. I was using Gaxe for ***** n giggles on a campaign(208 skill) and hitting all 3 hits + some DA ones i spose. Granted i was 75, but my skill level wasnt, so im really thinking thier just EP level at 75.

100 a fist is more than EP, but thier also rarer to see than the main 3 beastmen so they may be higher level, but regular gigas aren't really fun to play with either.

I actually like tanking in campaign, even when im 95% with no healer. The Pixie is your friend. Love it. Occasionally death happens, new mobs rush in and happen to like to link with you, but if your capable of tanking(not saying this to anyone, just in general) then don't sit there and just melee, try to ws and get hate off someone for a bit. If u take a little bit of dmg that just gives u more exp, and the pixie will always heal u.(when it refreshes mp back)
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#73 Feb 11 2008 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Also: jesus christ, what the **** is all this emo shat?


Oh dude, if you can't make a forum full of trolls start calling each other names then it isn't the internet.

The Campaign mobs are pretty lolworthy except for some of their weaponskills. I find that with someone tossing me cures here and there I can tank them on lolDRK66 pretty well just by using Spinning Slash over and over while absorbing them. I think the only exceptions are the guys that come running in from the northlands like Fomors/Gigas/Elementals. Those guys, on top of being bad-asses already, are way more pumped up than they need to be. I've teleported to a zone, seen a glowing dark mass of evil elementals, and just teleported back to Windy.
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#74 Feb 27 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll never understand why people have to take an obviously group orientated xp activity and turn it into their own little merit pt.

WTF is with people heading off and intercepting the waves WAY before they get close to the fortifications. Nothing sucks worse than hearing the battle music for 15 mins and seeing nothing the entire time. If you can horde the mobs then you should take your group to a regular xp camp and doitrite.

I've never had probs with mages not raising. Jugner [S] on Gilgamesh is pretty civil with the raises.

After years of people complaining for an xp scenario such as Campaign it's frusterating to see people exclude the group dynamic. Tanks should tank until the end of the fight. Not shluff of the mob when people come over and try to get their swings in. Tank the thing till it's dead, and go find another.

Not everybody can solo a mob. As a drg/blu I can safely solo any gnole or drg-type orc outside of the nm's, even the rng-types. (Que gimp comments). However the others I can't, and to be honest I don't particularly like to solo the mobs. It's a group battle, we're there to all gain xp. And, yeah, it's going to be better for some Xp wise, but it's free, unloseable. It could be beseiged.

Call out waves, don't get ***** when somebody comes over and helps out with the mob at hand, and for altana's sake, stop hording mobs.
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