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#102 Mar 22 2017 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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#103 Mar 23 2017 at 5:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Paul Ryan and House leaders are desperately rewriting swaths of the health care bill for tomorrow's vote (with no chance of being read much less scored by the CBO) while Trump tries to horse trade pet projects with reluctant conservatives to buy their votes on the bill.

I'll wait on the appropriate outrage from the "Ho ho! Pelosi said we have to pass the law to know what's in it..." and "OMG Cornhusker Kickback!!" people. I'll probably be waiting a long time, of course.
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#104 Mar 23 2017 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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My "this can't be right" radar was blaring, but for some reason I had a mental block when reading that article and kept reading it as though they were listing off just flu related deaths.
That "some reason" being you wanted something tangible to use on a topic you're speaking against and accuracy was not a requirement.
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tries to horse trade pet projects with reluctant conservatives to buy their votes on the bill.
Also indirectly threaten. Don't forget the indirect threats.
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#105 Mar 23 2017 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like the vote has been postponed to give time for people to go through with those indirect threats. Someone's mom's bakery is going to get fined because they placed a chalkboard sign on the sidewalk too close to the curb methinks.

Smiley: popcorn

Edited, Mar 23rd 2017 12:55pm by someproteinguy
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#106 Mar 24 2017 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Rand Paul is urging Pence to, as President of the Senate, overturn any rulings the Senate Parliamentarian makes regarding allowing the AHCA to pass under reconciliation. You know, for all of you who pretended to care about the Democrats "subverting" the rules seven years ago merely by using reconciliation.
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#107 Mar 24 2017 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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You'd think they'd have an easier time passing it, what with no real opposition from Democrats and almost a decade to work on the replacement plan.

I am kind of amused that 45's new stance is basically threatening to take his ball and go home if it isn't passed this time. I guess telling them their jobs were on the line wasn't convincing enough.

Edited, Mar 24th 2017 10:31am by lolgaxe
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#108 Mar 24 2017 at 10:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Trump is the difficult customer that comes in at peak time and demands special treatment.

"I want this done right now"

"I'm a busy person I don't have time for this"

"I'm know your manager and I'll tell him you're not helping me"

"You better do what I want or I'll get you fired"

"I don't think I should have to pay for that"

"THIS GUY IS REFUSING TO HELP ME!!!!!"


"I'll taking my business elsewhere if you can't get this done"

Edited, Mar 24th 2017 9:49am by someproteinguy
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#109 Mar 24 2017 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's Business 101 to threaten to leave and imply you'll take your business to someone else, but doesn't quite have the same punch when you can't exactly take your ball to someone else's house to play. Even if he could somehow replace all the congresscritters there's still no guarantee they'd go along with the plan, much less be Republican in the first place. Which is pretty much argument number one on why you shouldn't put a businessman in charge of an economy or policy.

Especially one who is better known for their business failures than their successes.
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#110 Mar 24 2017 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe he's implying he wants to be the Canadian Prime Minister next. They could probably use wall or two, right?
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#111 Mar 24 2017 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's not even really a threat. For one thing, Trump has no choice but to move on if this fails. What else is there to do? Besides, the president only sets the legislative agenda as leader of his party with the cooperation of his party in Congress. Nothing compels Ryan to NOT hold a vote on the bill every day if Ryan bizarrely wanted to. Trump refused to have any role in the writing of this bill so what difference would it make?
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#112 Mar 24 2017 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let the blame games begin.

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#113 Mar 24 2017 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nah, it is a threat in the same sense that holding your breath is a threat. And like you said, it's about as effective.
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#114 Mar 24 2017 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, Ryan pulled the bill.

Remember how, for the last seven years, we were assured that the GOP had a health care plan? Guess it's easier to say than to actually do, huh?
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#115 Mar 24 2017 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well in their defense they had one, it's just that only 49% of the House liked it. Kind of a disappointment that even the rather lackluster version that they were trying to peddle couldn't get off the ground. Was hoping for a good senate fight.

Oh well, next up is trying to get the budget cuts he wants through. That should be fun. Old Veterans talking about how meals on wheels going away is going leave them starving, scientists faced with fighting against having a year without any new NIH grants being funded, maybe some more tweets from the national parks people. Good times.

Edited, Mar 24th 2017 1:53pm by someproteinguy
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#116 Mar 24 2017 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Trump is trying to blame the defeat on a lack of Democratic support for maximum pathetic effect. Guess he doesn't understand who the majority party is.
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#117 Mar 27 2017 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Jared Kushner gets his own office to "harvest ideas from the business world," while Ivanka is ... the official babysitter of the 70 year old toddler-in-chief. Nepotism works, they're competing with the Kennedys here.
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#118 Mar 27 2017 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Trump is trying to blame the defeat on a lack of Democratic support for maximum pathetic effect. Guess he doesn't understand who the majority party is.
That was yet another 'roll the eyes' moment. Assuming it was a half-assed attempt to deflect blame, as you wouldn't really expect the people responsible for putting the plan together in the first place to go along with someone else's plans to tear it apart. Smiley: rolleyes
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#119 Mar 27 2017 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jared Kushner gets his own office to "harvest ideas from the business world," while Ivanka is ... the official babysitter of the 70 year old toddler-in-chief. Nepotism works, they're competing with the Kennedys here.
Should probably stay away from Dallas then.
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#120 Mar 27 2017 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, guys, NOBODY KNEW that health care was going to be so complicated, so stop bein' all meanie-head about it.
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#121 Mar 27 2017 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Paul Ryan and House leaders are desperately rewriting swaths of the health care bill for tomorrow's vote (with no chance of being read much less scored by the CBO) while Trump tries to horse trade pet projects with reluctant conservatives to buy their votes on the bill.

I'll wait on the appropriate outrage from the "Ho ho! Pelosi said we have to pass the law to know what's in it..." and "OMG Cornhusker Kickback!!" people. I'll probably be waiting a long time, of course.


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Looks like the vote has been postponed to give time for people to go through with those indirect threats. Someone's mom's bakery is going to get fined because they placed a chalkboard sign on the sidewalk too close to the curb methinks.

Smiley: popcorn


I'm assuming a "long time" includes "later today"? Sorry, just found this sequence to be hilarious. I think I'll go back to my original point on page one where I mentioned how if the GOP moves forward quickly it's all about them doing the same "pass it before we read it" thing the Dems did with Obamacare, but if they have disagreements and questions and push the bill back and forth to make changes, it's "OMG! The GOP is in disarray and can't even agree among themselves!!!".

How about "this is the normal process of writing legislation" and we go forward from there?
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#122 Mar 27 2017 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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You cried long and hard about the Democrats while I laughed at your naive ideas of politics and now it's all "La de dah, this is just how it's done!" Smiley: laugh

Look, it's fine. Absolutely no one expected different from you. Just funny to see it so clearly illustrated.
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#123 Mar 27 2017 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Trump is trying to blame the defeat on a lack of Democratic support for maximum pathetic effect. Guess he doesn't understand who the majority party is.
That was yet another 'roll the eyes' moment.
Smiley: rolleyes

You're gonna totally kill the resale value with that kind of mileage.
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Well in their defense they had one, it's just that only 49% of the House liked it. Kind of a disappointment that even the rather lackluster version that they were trying to peddle couldn't get off the ground. Was hoping for a good senate fight.


Eh. The Ryan plan was to go with just a reconciliation process, so as to avoid a potential filibuster in the Senate. The problem was that this would preclude most of the changes that were in the GOP "health care plan". In other words, not so much a replacement of the ACA, but a modification to it. Which a lot of conservatives were not happy with. Again. I honestly see this as the process working properly. If the GOP wanted to just act in lockstep and pass "something" just to be able to mark a check next to a list of action items, they could have just done so. That they didn't shows that they *gasp* actually want to pass a good law instead of just "any law".

This will force them to go back and actually write a full bill that includes the changes that Republicans have been talking about for years now. It'll take longer, but that's also not a bad thing. To be fair, I get why Ryan did this the way he did. But it doesn't surprise me that other members of the GOP didn't agree with it. it was, at best, a lukewarm "repeal and replace" of the ACA.
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#125 Mar 27 2017 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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You cried long and hard about the Democrats while I laughed at your naive ideas of politics and now it's all "La de dah, this is just how it's done!" Smiley: laugh


Huh? My criticism of the Democrats was almost entirely about their devout willingness to simply vote in lockstep with whatever their leadership proposed. I argued that this kind of "one size fits all" central government model would drive people away from the Democratic party (which it did). I argued that absence of debate within a party is frankly kinda scary (which it is).

And now, despite you predicting that the GOP would engage in exactly the kind of lockstep behavior that the Democrats did, when they *didn't* do so, you're still trying to spin the issue somehow? That makes zero sense.

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Look, it's fine. Absolutely no one expected different from you. Just funny to see it so clearly illustrated.


To be consistent in my position? I've literally argued for years that debate within a party is not a sign of collapse or disarray, but rather a sign of a party that is actually trying to represent the people and not just the powerful in the party itself. I've argued for years that this is a good thing. So yeah, when the GOP members reject a plan that their own leadership proposed, that's not in any way a problem for me.

Why would it be? The only person who was wrong here was you. So I'm not sure what you're laughing about.
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#126 Mar 28 2017 at 6:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh? My criticism of the Democrats was almost entirely about their devout willingness to simply vote in lockstep with whatever their leadership proposed.
Nah. You whined plenty about procedure.
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Look, it's fine. Absolutely no one expected different from you. Just funny to see it so clearly illustrated.
To be consistent in my position?

Sure, buddy. Sure.
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So I'm not sure what you're laughing about.

This is, sadly, probably true.

Edited, Mar 28th 2017 7:46am by Jophiel
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