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#27 Dec 30 2014 at 11:13 AM Rating: Default
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I started this thread thinking COMCAST, but I'm now leaning towards DTV. They have reasonable international packages. I Will have to check to see the local Internet Service Providers. Once you've experienced Korean Internet, everything else is a rip off... :(
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Once you've experienced South Korean Internet, everything else is a rip off... :(


Fixed for obvious reasons.
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I'm a bit optimistic in hoping Google will bring higher standards to the States as far as internet is concerned-- once they start up their cable/internet venture I've been hearing about. I could just be horribly, horribly wrong though.
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#30 Dec 30 2014 at 4:17 PM Rating: Default
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Not only is the Internet fast in Korea, wifi is everywhere. I literally paid $35 a month for hi speed Internet AND cable. I'm not quite sure why our prices are so high.
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Just to clarify, I have no issues with Comcast when it comes to getting a consistent connection. I honestly can't think of a single time that I've lost connection that wasn't a hardware problem on my end. It's that their customer service is atrocious and they tend to jack up their rates every two years. I've had them for about ten years now, and I'm paying almost twenty dollars more per month for the same package than I was when I first signed up. The last time that the upped the rate, I called them and after getting the run around for an hour or so, I was able to convince them to give me a ten dollar monthly discount that lasted for a year. That's expired now though and I really don't feel like calling them again. Maybe next year when the up the rate again...
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Not only is the Internet fast in Korea, wifi is everywhere. I literally paid $35 a month for hi speed Internet AND cable. I'm not quite sure why our prices are so high.


It's because of the two(/three company "monopoly". Comcast/Time Warner and Verizon pretty much have no compete agreements with each other.
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I go through Charter. They seem to be big enough to be good, but still small enough to want to compete against the rest.

Very few fights with the content providers, and decent internet speeds. No data caps to speak of (100s of GB per month and never slow down)
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#34 Jan 05 2015 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Not only is the Internet fast in Korea, wifi is everywhere. I literally paid $35 a month for hi speed Internet AND cable. I'm not quite sure why our prices are so high.


It's because of the two(/three company "monopoly". Comcast/Time Warner and Verizon pretty much have no compete agreements with each other.


I'm pretty sure that the three major providers in SK have about the same level of competition (probably less actually). The price is lower in SK because the government heavily subsidizes the infrastructure (and heavily regulates/censors the content). So call it the price of freedom or some other nice slogany sounding thing I guess.
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#35 Jan 05 2015 at 8:27 PM Rating: Default
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I'm pretty sure that the three major providers in SK have about the same level of competition (probably less actually). The price is lower in SK because the government heavily subsidizes the infrastructure (and heavily regulates/censors the content). So call it the price of freedom or some other nice slogany sounding thing I guess.
What is censored?
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So call it the price of freedom or some other nice slogany sounding thing I guess.

The price of freedom is shitty slow expensive internet service? Well, way to find a silver lining I guess.
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I'm pretty sure that the three major providers in SK have about the same level of competition (probably less actually). The price is lower in SK because the government heavily subsidizes the infrastructure (and heavily regulates/censors the content).

I don't know about "heavily". They do monitor political news and block NK sympathetic websites and categorizes of ****, but to the average user it's not something one would notice much. The US does basically identical things with "illegal" content. The law in SK is codified differently, but not particularly more comprehensively than here. On balance, I'd prefer the $10 a month gigabit fiber with the lack of pubic hair and pro NK sites if given the choice.
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On balance, I'd prefer the $10 a month gigabit fiber with the lack of pubic hair and pro NK sites if given the choice.
I recall seeing unedited **** in SK, so I doubt the average person will notice anything.
#39 Jan 06 2015 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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The only issues I had with Comcast were wanting to put "Billy" from Kolkata, Idaho through a wall.
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#40 Jan 06 2015 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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Well Alma. did you sell your soul at the Comcast x-roads or did you go Direct to h.ell?
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#41 Jan 06 2015 at 8:49 AM Rating: Default
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I still have about 2 months before I actually move back to the US. I'm just trying to be proactive.
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I'm pretty sure that the three major providers in SK have about the same level of competition (probably less actually). The price is lower in SK because the government heavily subsidizes the infrastructure (and heavily regulates/censors the content).

I don't know about "heavily". They do monitor political news and block NK sympathetic websites and categorizes of ****, but to the average user it's not something one would notice much. The US does basically identical things with "illegal" content. The law in SK is codified differently, but not particularly more comprehensively than here. On balance, I'd prefer the $10 a month gigabit fiber with the lack of pubic hair and pro NK sites if given the choice.


You're the kind of person who would bask in the warm embrace of big government anyway, so that's not saying much.
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You're the kind of person who would bask in the warm embrace of big government anyway, so that's not saying much.

Only when it's more efficient at providing basic services. Which turns out to be pretty much always because capitalism doesn't work for that sort of thing. Not really my fault it worked out that way, I have no particular affinity for government, if the private sector made people safer and happier, I'd be all for that.

It doesn't.
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If it made them more money, they would at least consider it.

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You're the kind of person who would bask in the warm embrace of big government anyway, so that's not saying much.

Only when it's more efficient at providing basic services.


Which is rarely. It's just better at hiding the cost.
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Which is rarely. It's just better at hiding the cost.

That's simply untrue. Oh wait, did you mean externalizing costs to the government and pretending they don't exist? That's obviously a bit of a problem for governments. You are right, though, the private sector is excellent at letting government pay for things to pad profits.
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#47 Jan 07 2015 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Which is rarely. It's just better at hiding the cost.

That's simply untrue.


And yet, you were just praising the $10/month gigabit internet speeds in SK. I get that only one of us actually works in the industry, but you can't possibly think that's remotely close to the true cost for that speed.

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Oh wait, did you mean externalizing costs to the government and pretending they don't exist? That's obviously a bit of a problem for governments. You are right, though, the private sector is excellent at letting government pay for things to pad profits.


Government does it as a means of control though. Which is the more relevant point to this discussion.
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And yet, you were just praising the $10/month gigabit internet speeds in SK. I get that only one of us actually works in the industry, but you can't possibly think that's remotely close to the true cost for that speed.

Yeah, I have no idea. I'm sure it's not $10 for 1gb, hence the "or whatever" at the end of my sentence. On the other hand, it's not really a mystery. People in the US pay wildly more for internet access than people in South Korea, inclusive of all tax load and government subsidies that are passed on in the form of fees or whatever.


It's not *remotely* close. There are reasons. Higher population density, more demand for higher speeds, etc. It's not necessarily "Comcast is EEEEEEVIL". I mean, probably that, but regardless of that, pretending it isn't much cheaper there is just intellectually dishonest.

Government does it as a means of control though.

Does what? Pays for things? I don't really see what you're grasping at here.
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Government does it as a means of control though. Which is the more relevant point to this discussion.

Are you implying that our data access is expensive because it guarantees us some sort of freedom from government censorship?

Smiley: lol

Our data is expensive because Comcast - Verizon - AT&T - TWC have set themselves up to essentially monopolize local markets.

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Almalieque wrote:
I still have a couple of months before my move, so I'm hoping that COMCAST up their DVR before I have to make my decision. I agree that COMCAST seems to have better service and money saving options with their bundles. I'm also not a fan of the weather affecting my TV.
If you go COMCAST be sure to call in every 6 months or so and pretend like you're going to cancel your service that way you get the super secret discounts.
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Our data is expensive because Comcast - Verizon - AT&T - TWC have set themselves up to essentially monopolize local markets.
Can you elaborate, because the way that reads to me is that the big 4 have allowed each other to have their own markets and are gouging customers. But the problem with that, is that if they're gouging people, then their profit margins are ridiculously high and thereby enticing other competitors to start up and offer competition. And that doesn't appear to be happening, or is it?
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