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#1402 Dec 05 2014 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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so why am I supposed to get worked up that one situation out of twenty involves 'domestic violence'?
Clearly the solution is to increase the number of domestic violence so they're closer to 1:1 with the other scenarios.
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#1403 Dec 05 2014 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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I really wish I had my old Cartman licking Scott Tenorman's tears avatar right now. But I lost it. Anyway: TB wins "Most Trending Gamer". Antis go nuts. And I am amused.

Edit: Xbro responds to Sela Davis. I am further amused. I've only been awake for 15 minutes and this is a good start to my day.

Edited, Dec 5th 2014 9:52pm by Poldaran
#1404 Dec 07 2014 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's a fun thing to see. GG gains another celeb endorsement.

But more importantly, it's time for OpMeta, whose goal is to make game reviews a bit more like movie reviews on Metacritic. It's not a huge step - in fact, it's fairly minor - but I think it could be an important one.
#1405 Dec 07 2014 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, what does he say?

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.I SUPPORT #GamerGate. PEOPLE/THE MEDIA, ARE TOO DAMN POLITICALLY CORRECT FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. DONT LIKE WHATS IN THE GAME? DONT BUY/PLAY IT


And you're still insisting that GG is about effiks in game journalism and not an anti-progressive agenda, right? You're fucking terrible at this.
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#1406 Dec 07 2014 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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And you're still insisting that GG is about effiks in game journalism and not an anti-progressive agenda, right? You're fucking terrible at this.
When those in the games media use their platform to push censorship, when they unabashedly support those who would censor - those who crow in triumph because a game gets pulled from shelves - then censorship IS a related issue. They pushed back against censorship when it was Jack Thompson, so why change now? Because it's their friends wanting it?

If you can't see the relevance to ethics there, then I don't know how to help you.
#1407 Dec 07 2014 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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That's a Decent point, Poldaran.

What makes you think he's talking about censorship rather than critical analysis? What he's saying is word for word the old cliche you hit someone with when they complain about something you like. Secondly, unless they've been compelled to do so by the government, shops pulling games from their shelves is not censorship. Has that happened, and if so where in the media has celebrated?
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#1408 Dec 07 2014 at 5:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Well, that's a fun thing to see. GG gains another celeb endorsement.

Lowering the bar on "celeb", aren't we?

That Reddit thread on OpMeta makes me Smiley: facepalm. Not the whole "put names to reviews" thing but the side tangent about "10/10 ratings mean the game must have been absolute perfection!!". No, it doesn't. It means the game excelled in each area of the review, same as scoring a 30/30 with your 5th grade essay about otters didn't mean it was the zenith of all otter-based zoological research but rather that you satisfied all the assignment criteria in an excellent manner. Hopefully your instructor didn't say "This essay didn't suck my dick and cook me a pie so how could it be perfect? Hur hur hur!!"

Edited, Dec 7th 2014 5:27pm by Jophiel
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#1409 Dec 07 2014 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekkk wrote:
What makes you think he's talking about censorship rather than critical analysis? What he's saying is word for word the old cliche you hit someone with when they complain about something you like. Secondly, unless they've been compelled to do so by the government, shops pulling games from their shelves is not censorship. Has that happened, and if so where in the media has celebrated?


I assumed it was in response to the recent GTAV/Australia Retailer removal.

And also, it does not have to be the Government doing the censorship to be counted as censorship. You are confusing the general idea of censorship with the First Amendment. You can censor someone without violating their first amendment rights. And it can still be censorship.


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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Well, that's a fun thing to see. GG gains another celeb endorsement.

Lowering the bar on "celeb", aren't we?

I had to look up who he is. Disturbed. I listened to some of their songs when I was in High School.

I guess he's as much of a celebrity as any other of the late 90s/early 00s popular musicians?

Edited, Dec 7th 2014 6:51pm by TirithRR
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#1410 Dec 07 2014 at 5:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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And also, it does not have to be the Government doing the censorship to be counted as censorship. Are are confusing the general idea of censorship with the First Amendment. You can censor someone without violating their first amendment rights. And it can still be censorship.

That's true, but I think censorship is more active suppression than merely declining to offer a platform. Kmart deciding not to sell GTA V strikes me as more of the latter than the former. I think it's a dumb decision made for dumb reasons but I'm not ready to toot the censorship horn over it either.
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#1411 Dec 07 2014 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
And also, it does not have to be the Government doing the censorship to be counted as censorship. Are are confusing the general idea of censorship with the First Amendment. You can censor someone without violating their first amendment rights. And it can still be censorship.

That's true, but I think censorship is more active suppression than merely declining to offer a platform. Kmart deciding not to sell GTA V strikes me as more of the latter than the former. I think it's a dumb decision made for dumb reasons but I'm not ready to toot the censorship horn over it either.

I'd think it was more being against the general move to stop the games they don't like. Not so much that Kmart suddenly not selling it has stopped it from being distributed anywhere, but that the goal of the people who got Kmart to not sell it would be a result where it was no longer distributed anywhere.
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Gotcha. I was thinking Kmart, you were thinking the goals of the pro-censorship movement applauding Kmart's decision.
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#1413 Dec 07 2014 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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And also, it does not have to be the Government doing the censorship to be counted as censorship. You are confusing the general idea of censorship with the First Amendment. You can censor someone without violating their first amendment rights. And it can still be censorship.


I'm not American. Generally, if you think I'm confusing a general concept with one particular to your constitution, you are wrong.

My view is that that censorship implies an active and effective suppression of information and thus a significant imbalance of power between the would-be publisher and the guy stopping them. I don't think anyone but a government could effectively censor a game. Even if all the bricks and mortar retailers refused to stock it, most sales are online. I suppose if Steam and the other major online retailers all joined in with them in some kind of cabal, I'd agree with the classification of it as such. A shop not stocking a game because it offended a bunch of potential customers isn't censorship.
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#1414 Dec 07 2014 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
That Reddit thread on OpMeta makes me Smiley: facepalm. Not the whole "put names to reviews" thing but the side tangent about "10/10 ratings mean the game must have been absolute perfection!!". No, it doesn't. It means the game excelled in each area of the review, same as scoring a 30/30 with your 5th grade essay about otters didn't mean it was the zenith of all otter-based zoological research but rather that you satisfied all the assignment criteria in an excellent manner. Hopefully your instructor didn't say "This essay didn't suck my dick and cook me a pie so how could it be perfect? Hur hur hur!!"
I honestly hadn't read the thread beyond the Op post itself. That does seem kinda silly.

Edit: Also, being lead vocals for a group that has 4 platinum albums isn't enough to be reasonably considered a celeb?

Edited, Dec 7th 2014 10:04pm by Poldaran
#1415 Dec 08 2014 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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And also, it does not have to be the Government doing the censorship to be counted as censorship. You are confusing the general idea of censorship with the First Amendment. You can censor someone without violating their first amendment rights. And it can still be censorship.


I'm not American. Generally, if you think I'm confusing a general concept with one particular to your constitution, you are wrong.

My view is that that censorship implies an active and effective suppression of information and thus a significant imbalance of power between the would-be publisher and the guy stopping them. I don't think anyone but a government could effectively censor a game. Even if all the bricks and mortar retailers refused to stock it, most sales are online. I suppose if Steam and the other major online retailers all joined in with them in some kind of cabal, I'd agree with the classification of it as such. A shop not stocking a game because it offended a bunch of potential customers isn't censorship.

Score one for the hookers eh.

My guess is K-mart did some rough napkin calculations and found that call girls spent more money in their 'family' store than angry gamers.

Censorship....lol.

When mommy tells you you 'can't' play ur video game cuz it's too violent,... that's censorship.

When a store chooses not to sell a particular product because it could be offensive, dangerous, or simply unprofitable...that's marketing.

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#1416 Dec 08 2014 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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As I already said. It's not the store choosing the not sell the product that is the issue, but the group pushing to stop the product from being sold. Their end game. They would have something they don't agree with not be sold. They are pro censorship of things they don't agree with.
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#1417 Dec 08 2014 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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So boycott prostitution.
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#1418 Dec 08 2014 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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When mommy tells you you 'can't' play ur video game cuz it's too violent,... that's censorship.

I didn't originally agree with TirithRR but I think he's right. It's not "Kmart won't sell this so censorship" it's about the goals of the group putting pressure on Kmart. THEIR goal, attainable or not, is to keep the game from being sold due to content they find objectionable. It's not that they don't want Kmart to sell it, they just want the game gone. That's censorship.

Will they attain their goals? Certainly not. Does that change their goals or how they should be defined? Nope. Are groups applauding this decision or these goals applauding censorship? I can't think of a reason why they're not.

Edited, Dec 8th 2014 8:27am by Jophiel
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#1419 Dec 08 2014 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
It means the game excelled in each area of the review, same as scoring a 30/30 with your 5th grade essay about otters didn't mean it was the zenith of all otter-based zoological research but rather that you satisfied all the assignment criteria in an excellent manner.
You didn't read my otter essay.
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#1420 Dec 08 2014 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
So boycott prostitution.

Smiley: dubious Because I don't agree with the group not wanting GTAV to be sold?
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#1421 Dec 08 2014 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't originally agree with TirithRR but I think he's right. It's not "Kmart won't sell this so censorship" it's about the goals of the group putting pressure on Kmart. THEIR goal, attainable or not, is to keep the game from being sold due to content they find objectionable. It's not that they don't want Kmart to sell it, they just want the game gone. That's censorship.

Can we spin this metadiscussion into another 25 pages or so? I so rarely get to read about Kmart.
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#1422 Dec 08 2014 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Australian Kmart, no less.
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#1423 Dec 08 2014 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Can we spin this metadiscussion into another 25 pages or so? I so rarely get to read about Kmart.

There's a thread on gas attacks at a furry convention you can read instead, you know.
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#1424 Dec 08 2014 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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There's a thread on gas attacks at a furry convention you can read instead, you know.

I know, I posted in it, but the filter changed my post to ****. Is there a word for when that happens?
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

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I know, I posted in it, but the filter changed my post to ****. Is there a word for when that happens?
There is no fifth star.
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#1426 Dec 08 2014 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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I know, I posted in it, but the filter changed my post to ****. Is there a word for when that happens?
"Shit."
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