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Yeah, I already caught the error. Point being that Legends helped make it work better. And you relied a lot more on non-creature spells to make it viable. Had more color hosers back then too (I notice those are pretty much gone from the recent game). Though the lower costs helped more against Gloom and Flashfires. 'Cept for (relatively) expensive Castle. And Crusade helped your opponent's white creatures as well. Ah, memories...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Slivers.
There's also Squirrel nest which is a land enchantment that lets you tap the land to create a 1/1 squirrel and a card that lets you untap a land whe a creature comes into play for infinite 1/1 squirrels.
There's also Squirrel nest which is a land enchantment that lets you tap the land to create a 1/1 squirrel and a card that lets you untap a land whe a creature comes into play for infinite 1/1 squirrels.
Back in the day (1994-1996), most common decks I saw were red DD and blue permission from the people seriously trying to win and green creatures against the ones who liked big stuff. Most people didn't play mono decks though since you'd just sideboard a bunch of CoP's or Life Force or whatever.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Out of my group of friends, we all played mostly single color decks, or maybe two color at most. Three or Four colors I don't think I ever saw. Five color decks were just play things. Like putting a Sliver deck together, or I think one of my friends went on a dragon binge and collected all these "Legendary Elder Dragon" gold cards. I think there was one for every two color combo if I remember right (except the opposing colors). So he put all those together and made a five color deck for them. It didn't work out too well.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Jophiel wrote:
Back in the day (1994-1996), most common decks I saw were red DD and blue permission from the people seriously trying to win and green creatures against the ones who liked big stuff. Most people didn't play mono decks though since you'd just sideboard a bunch of CoP's or Life Force or whatever.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Like you now while WW is probably the worst colour for a small creature deck you can play right now
Woooooo! Number 5 out of 35-40!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
So #5 out of a tiny pool of players in a very casual tournament? Great sample! 
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
So #5 out of a tiny pool of players in a very casual tournament? Great sample!
Big fish, little pond. Works on Zam.com!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
And sooner or later white weenie will be good again, other than the D&T deck in Legacy of course.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
RUG Delver
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
It's probably even funnier when you know it stands for about $4000 in cardboard.
Big fish, little pond. Works on Zam.com
Importantly, remember 25 years from now that it's justification for why you understand everything better than everyone. "You're talking to someone who finished 5th....genius is too weak and common of a word"
Edited, Jun 15th 2014 8:03pm by Smasharoo
Importantly, remember 25 years from now that it's justification for why you understand everything better than everyone. "You're talking to someone who finished 5th....genius is too weak and common of a word"
Edited, Jun 15th 2014 8:03pm by Smasharoo
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Friar Bijou wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
RUG Delver
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Here's some stuff that gets you sort of caught up, it's a good read too. "20 things that were going to kill Magic" so that covers all the significant changes the game has had over the years. 
Smasharoo wrote:
Importantly, remember 25 years from now that it's justification for why you understand everything better than everyone. "You're talking to someone who finished 5th....genius is too weak and common of a word"
I once casually mentioned the idea of White Weenie to a bunch of $10,000 tournament champions and they all said I had unique and innovative perspectives that they had never before considered. Of course, this was before I had ever really heard of Magic: the Gathering but I overheard enough of their conversation to get a good grasp on the idea.
You probably play by rote memorization and netdecking though which I suppose is nice for you within its limits.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I quit at the start of Fourth Edition, which was like ... '94? '95? I'm just as lost.
RUG is Red blUe Green. Delver is a borderline broken card that wasn't obviously broken until it saw play for a while, that these decks sort of revolve around.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delver+of+secrets
RUG is Red blUe Green. Delver is a borderline broken card that wasn't obviously broken until it saw play for a while, that these decks sort of revolve around.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delver+of+secrets
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Delver of Secrets in and of itself isn't particularly broken but when you combine it with Brainstorm it does get awfully strong. RUG Delver is basically 4 3/2 fliers for 1 mana, 4 3/3 shroud for 1 mana and 4 Tarmagoyfs which are usually from 3/4 to 6/7 for 2 mana, back that up by lots of cheap card draw, removal and counterspells plus a little mana denial on the side and you've got a winning recipe.
as I mentioned somewhere way above the average casting cost of the spells is below 1 so it doesn't really need more than 1 or 2 lands to dominate especially since it's 8 counterspells are all cast without paying mana.
as I mentioned somewhere way above the average casting cost of the spells is below 1 so it doesn't really need more than 1 or 2 lands to dominate especially since it's 8 counterspells are all cast without paying mana.
Delver of Secrets in and of itself isn't particularly broken
It's a *blue* common. It's broken, just not enough to be banned. Even without other things that make it super broken, it's pretty broken. Turn 1, Delver, turn 2, 2 more Delvers, turn 3 swinging for 9 flying damage from mono blue? 4 Delver, 4 Snapcatser and some blue cards you found on the floor beat a lot of Modern decks.
It's a *blue* common. It's broken, just not enough to be banned. Even without other things that make it super broken, it's pretty broken. Turn 1, Delver, turn 2, 2 more Delvers, turn 3 swinging for 9 flying damage from mono blue? 4 Delver, 4 Snapcatser and some blue cards you found on the floor beat a lot of Modern decks.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
It still has to be in a deck that can make the most of it for it to work as well as it does, it's still incredibly powerful of course but it doesn't break the game nor did it introduce new decks to the metagame, RUG Delver just used to be called Canadian Threshold before.
edit: also Young Pyromancer is a card with just as much power but since it hasn't quite found the right home yet it's not as ubiquitous as Delver (yet). Although U/R Delver with 4 Pyromancer is pretty damn scary.
Edited, Jun 16th 2014 2:48am by Aethien
edit: also Young Pyromancer is a card with just as much power but since it hasn't quite found the right home yet it's not as ubiquitous as Delver (yet). Although U/R Delver with 4 Pyromancer is pretty damn scary.
Edited, Jun 16th 2014 2:48am by Aethien
Smasharoo wrote:
I quit at the start of Fourth Edition, which was like ... '94? '95? I'm just as lost.
RUG is Red blUe Green. Delver is a borderline broken card that wasn't obviously broken until it saw play for a while, that these decks sort of revolve around.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delver+of+secrets
RUG is Red blUe Green. Delver is a borderline broken card that wasn't obviously broken until it saw play for a while, that these decks sort of revolve around.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delver+of+secrets
So, how does that Transform work? Where is the Insect card stored? Do you flip it? Just trying to figure out where that artwork and 3/2 flying card comes from...
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
It still has to be in a deck that can make the most of it for it to work as well as it does, it's still incredibly powerful of course but it doesn't break the game nor did it introduce new decks to the metagame, RUG Delver just used to be called Canadian Threshold before.
Sure. Still clearly a mistake to be common, still clearly created without an idea how powerful it was. Still a 1 drop 3 damage in blue. Open to pretty much all removal, etc, so not unplayable against, but still silly and a mistake.
Sure. Still clearly a mistake to be common, still clearly created without an idea how powerful it was. Still a 1 drop 3 damage in blue. Open to pretty much all removal, etc, so not unplayable against, but still silly and a mistake.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Definitely much more powerful than they expected, I'm guessing they didn't test it enough in decks with cards like preordain, ponder and brainstorm. Still no Skullclamp or JtMS level mistake though.
Not that it really matters, it's here and staying and not dominant enough to deserve banning although I'm kinda sick of seeing Delver decks everywhere in Legacy they're still better than seeing Stone/Deathblade decks all the time. Or miracles... Miracles is a borefest 9/10 times.
So, how does that Transform work? Where is the Insect card stored? Do you flip it? Just trying to figure out where that artwork and 3/2 flying card comes from...Delver on the front, insectile abberation on the back plus tokens with a normal magic card back and all the names of flip cards on the front.
Edited, Jun 16th 2014 2:58am by Aethien
Not that it really matters, it's here and staying and not dominant enough to deserve banning although I'm kinda sick of seeing Delver decks everywhere in Legacy they're still better than seeing Stone/Deathblade decks all the time. Or miracles... Miracles is a borefest 9/10 times.
TirithRR wrote:
Quote:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delver+of+secrets
Edited, Jun 16th 2014 2:58am by Aethien
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Here's some stuff that gets you sort of caught up, it's a good read too.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
I'm quite content being out of touch on this topic.
True that. You've got pony cartoons to keep up on.
See? There's always some class of dork to make another class of dork feel better about themselves
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
You laugh now, but when the time comes ...
Okay, just laugh.
Okay, just laugh.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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