Terrible things people call their childrenFollow

He's saying you're indoctrinated, Tirith.

Because I don't have any education or training in linguistic structure, syntax, and stuff like that. Right? I've never studied BNFs, and thus have no understanding of how syntax rules work. Oh wait! I have, and do. You, on the other hand, are a terrible writer, who I assume learned to write by rote memorization. Thus, if some textbook doesn't tell you what word combinations are correct, you can't know if they are, so you assume they are not.

This is not the first time you've proclaimed me to be wrong about something that I'm massively more qualified to speak about than you are, presumably in the hopes that if you do so loudly enough you'll get people "on your side" and it wont really matter that you're wrong and I'm right. I'll just assume that this is yet another of those cases. Fits the pattern well enough.

I'm probably the only person to ever use the phrase "Smasharoo stupidity" (as in "that's some Smasharoo stupidity right there!"), but that doesn't make it grammatically incorrect.

Your problem is that you learn by rote. Anything you haven't been taught isn't possible for you to learn. You compound this by assuming that everyone else suffers from the same affliction. I don't. Thus, I'm able to actually structure sentences using the rules of grammar and do nifty things like write whole new phrases! I get that this appears like black magic to people like you, but try not to get too upset about it. Just be glad that it's mostly people like me actually making the world work and not people like you.

I just want to point out this is two days after a certain someone said they found it interesting how far people go to not discuss topics.

Carry on.

Slow down with those stones there, Glass House.

Seriously. You write for shit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=allakhazam+%22end+out%22+site:everquest.allakhazam.com&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=iiw&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&gws_rd=ssl

Forum search sucks.

Man, classic Elipsis.

Does that make it grammatically incorrect though?



No clue. But my own analysis follows this logic:

As I mentioned above, I find the phrase "end up" awkward and not really very clear (aside from idiomatic usage). The word "up" implies direction or orientation, but neither of those are really applicable. Think of the difference in usage between "turn up" and "turn out". The former usually references something appearing, or rising to the top where it is visible ("Don't worry, I'm sure it'll turn up"). But I'm trying to express the verb phrase form of an outcome or result, so "up" just feels wrong to me. The phrase "turn out' is more appropriate for an outcome (for obvious reasons), but the word "turn" isn't quite right either. That usually implies a change in direction as well. When things "turn out ok", the implication is that they aren't going well now, but will "turn around" later.

If I want to imply that the outcome is predictable based on the direction currently in effect, then "end out" works better. Saying "If you don't change your ways, you'll end out in jail" makes far far more etymological sense than either "end up", or "turn out". Honestly, I've never paid attention to whether it's commonly used (or used at all). To me, that's the word combination that fits best what I'm trying to say, so that's the combination I use when trying to get that idea across to someone.

I don't actually use it because of that logical progress mind you, that's just what I've come up with after the fact. To be completely honest, I just use that phrase because it fits best. Now maybe that means I'm crappy at English, or maybe that means I understand English more intuitively than most and just automatically generate appropriate word combinations without thinking about it any more than "this combination feels right for what I'm trying to say".

Having said that, I was honestly confused when Smash made a big deal about it and demanded I stop using that combination of words. It had never occurred to me that anyone might think it was incorrect. And frankly, I'm still unsure why anyone would think it is. While language is constrained by a set of rules, it's not constrained by a limited set of combinations of words. We don't memorize every possible combination and that is the extent of "proper" language. We learn words and their meanings. Then we learn syntax rules. Then we learn how to apply those rules to express ourselves. Some of us better than others apparently.

I believe "goodermost" is the proper word in that phrase.

Plebe.

Because I don't have any education or training in linguistic structure, syntax, and stuff like that. Right?

No, no, **** up the verb tense in:

"Except that both of the words I used are actual words, with actual meanings, which when combined as they were clearly act as a verb phrase"

It's "were acting" if you're scoring at home. What we were looking for if this were a sentence written using the English language was "which combined as they were clearly were acting as a verb phrase" Past Indicative. You studied it in...oh wait, you didn't clearly.

Haha. See? I knew you weren't clever enough.

I don't know who the @#%^ you're responding to because of your goddam quote issue! Smiley: mad Of course, I'm sure that I'm one of the few people too slow to immediately discern a poster by their style, but it still forces me to waste precious minutes scrolling up to find a certain portion of text to find its owner.

That's a valid concern. Sadly, I don't really give a fuck if anyone other than the person I'm responding to recognizes their post. Contrary to current conspiracy theories, I'm rarely trying to gin up support for my which hunt against a given poster.

Edit: Sorry, that didn't help much. How's this?



Edited, Jun 12th 2014 9:27pm by Smasharoo

Lol. Um... Saying this over and over doesn't make it true.


At the risk of bragging, you're talking to a guy who learned UNIX by looking at the files and directory structures, reading them, and deducing how they all worked together. In grade school, when first introduced to long division by a teacher who couldn't explain why it worked, but just said "follow these steps", I sat by myself and figured out how long division worked (and why) in about half a classroom session. In high school, when first exposed to derivatives, I'd been out sick, then didn't do the reading or homework, showed up for class to find myself with a quiz in front of me and then [i]deductively figured out how derivatives worked[i] (how they were "derived" if you will) just by looking at the damn diagram I was supposed to fill out on the quiz form. In senior year, I corrected the physic teacher on a homework answer on day three of the class. I hadn't done the homework of course (classic bored smart kid syndrome really), but what the teacher had to struggle to work out was so blindingly obvious to me the first time I glanced at it that I didn't need to spend any time realizing his mistake. It did, however, take me an entire class session explaining to him what he'd done wrong. I'm also the kid who walked into my AP English class one day to find an essay question on the board for a reading assignment I had not read and deduced what the short story was about based solely on that question, wrote an essay about it, and had the teacher actually read it to the class later as an example of someone who perfectly understood what it was about.

And it goes without saying that I was the kid who was put in top track classes every year, despite having barely a C average in school because it was so clear to every single person that the word "genius" wasn't quite good enough to describe me and the only thing they could do with a student like me was to challenge me as much as they could and not worry about things like grades. So forgive me while I laugh uproariously at your post. I'm the guy who *didn't* follow the norm. I took classes in college (and still do), not to get a degree, but because I was interested in them. I goofed off for nearly a decade after high school because I wanted to goof off. When I decided to get a job, it was trivially easy to get one with a fast track to good pay and benefits despite not really knowing anything about the subject when I started.

It's entirely possible that I could come across someone on an operating table in need of a specific operation, pick up a scalpel and successfully complete the operation just by asking "what's the problem?" and then sorta figuring out how all the parts of the body work along the way. I'm not kidding when I say that this is more or less how I've learned everything in my life. I can't explain it. I just "figure it out". Usually in ways that baffle normal people. It's what I do. It's why I find your own protestations about this so amusing. My entire life experience has been this way. I just know how things work with incredibly small amounts of information.

So yeah. Me using a phrase like "end out" is the least significant example of this in my life time. You know, just to bring the whole thing full circle.

Jesus Christ, everyone stop making fun of his little ****** phrase before he blows.

Wait, what am I saying? Naked egotism gbaji is my favourite, keep at it.

Edited, Jun 13th 2014 1:44am by Kavekk