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#1 May 27 2014 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Anthony Petrello, CEO of Nabors Industries, was the highest paid CEO in 2013 at $68.2 million, as calculated by The Associated Press and Equilar, an executive pay research firm.
Nabors Industries, btw is an oil and gas drilling company. Petrello, such a visionary - frakking our future energy needs. Smiley: oyvey
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A chief executive now makes about 257 times the average worker’s salary, up sharply from 181 times in 2009.
How goes that minimum wage increase?

This years 50 Highest Paid CEO's. I'm concerned about the Waltons, they seem to be losing ground. Must go shop Wally-world!
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#2 May 27 2014 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
What awesome thing did he do to justify that kind of paycheck? I've never even heard of that company.


.... Oh.
#3 May 27 2014 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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Mr. Anthony G. Petrello, also known as Tony,
Can you just imagine what he had to do to get a nickname like that?
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#4 May 27 2014 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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Can you just imagine what he had to do to get a nickname like that?

Did you intentionally hide a slavic gymnast in your post-name?
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#5 May 27 2014 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Mr. lolgaxe, also known as olga,
Can you just imagine what he had to do to get a nickname like that?
Did you intentionally hide a slavic gymnast in your post-name?
Are you psychic? It's even funnier because for all you know, I am a gymnast or possibly even Slavic.
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#6 May 27 2014 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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68? Who can live on that?
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#7 May 27 2014 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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He also gets to eat one meal free at the cafeteria during business hours. You know, to ease the burden.
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#8 May 27 2014 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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68? Who can live on that?
Honestly, how are you supposed to pay for your private yet, servants, 17 mansions and a collection of rare and expensive sports cars on a salary of less than $1.5 million a week?
#9 May 27 2014 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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What awesome thing did he do to justify that kind of paycheck? I've never even heard of that company.


Nothing. You're seeing a statistical mirage is all. The company actually bought him out of a more expensive long term contract, and paid him a one time $60m lump sum this last year. He wouldn't normally even be on the top 100 list otherwise.

Most of the pay increases are market based (projected market values even). Here's a page that explains things somewhat

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Here's a breakdown of 2013 pay compared with 2012 pay. Because the AP looks at median numbers, rather than averages, the components of CEO pay do not add up to the total.

—Base salary: $1.1 million, up 4.8 percent

—Bonus: $1.9 million, up 12.6 percent

—Perks: $164,951, up 2.8 percent

—Stock awards: $4.5 million, up 17.3 percent

—Option awards $1.25 million, down 4.2 percent

—Total: $10.5 million, up 8.8 percent



When business does well, CEO pay will tend to reflect that more than worker pay. The statistical problem with these sorts of calculation is that they're always subject to bias. Since we're only looking at the "top CEOs" at the most successful companies, we're always going to see only those who are receiving large bonuses and stock grants (cause those are always going to scale to business performance). Trim that down to just the top 50 and you're basically playing a statistics game.

Over time, as the largest companies get actually larger (both in number of employees and number of countries/locations they operate in), it's natural that CEO pay will increase relative to the average worker pay. Doubly so when we're restricting our list to just the largest companies. As I point out every single time someone brings this up, the largest 50 companies are massively larger today than the largest 50 companies were 50 years ago (or whatever random time point in the past someone tries to use as a comparison). What's missing in these sorts of calculations are all of the smaller companies out there with much more modest pay for their top executives. They never make the lists, so no one thinks about them. But because of that, there's this perception of this huge gulf between "us and them", when in reality it's a much more smooth slope.
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#10 May 27 2014 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh. I'll also point out the irony of this recent jump in CEO pay was the direct result of public outcry over CEO pay not being sufficiently tied to the actual success of the businesses they run (all those examples of CEOs with huge pay despite their companies doing poorly under them). As a result, more companies have shifted to direct stock grants (RSUs) instead of options. Of course, it's a statistical certainty that some number of companies (certainly at least 50) will have stock that performs exceptionally well in any given year, thus massively bumping up the results for those who end up on the list (or defining the list if you will).

A case of getting exactly what you demanded. You demanded pay tied to success, and that's what you got. Yay!
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#11 May 28 2014 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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You're seeing a statistical mirage is all.
I know - smoke and mirrors.

Must one drive there and park at the company parking lot and observe the CEO and verify his affluent existence.




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#12 May 28 2014 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
When business does well, CEO pay will tend to reflect that more than worker pay.
We'll just ignore twenty years of CEO pay increases that says otherwise.
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#13 May 28 2014 at 7:46 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm just saying the fact that his oil company has not had a pipeline burst or a refinery explode means that the company is probably doing something right underneath his leadership.
#14 May 28 2014 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh. I'll also point out the irony of this recent jump in CEO pay was the direct result of public outcry over CEO pay not being sufficiently tied to the actual success of the businesses they run (all those examples of CEOs with huge pay despite their companies doing poorly under them). As a result, more companies have shifted to direct stock grants (RSUs) instead of options.

Nope. Awesome random ******* guess though. Amazing how much WORSE than chance you do when guessing from complete and utter ignorance.
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gbaji wrote:
When business does well, CEO pay will tend to reflect that more than worker pay.
We'll just ignore twenty years of CEO pay increases that says otherwise.


Are you saying that CEO pay doesn't tend to go up more than the workers when a business succeeds?
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#16 May 28 2014 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Are you saying that CEO pay doesn't tend to go up more than the workers when a business succeeds?
I'm saying you're illiterate if that's what you got.
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Oh. I'll also point out the irony of this recent jump in CEO pay was the direct result of public outcry over CEO pay not being sufficiently tied to the actual success of the businesses they run (all those examples of CEOs with huge pay despite their companies doing poorly under them). As a result, more companies have shifted to direct stock grants (RSUs) instead of options.

Nope. Awesome random @#%^ing guess though. Amazing how much WORSE than chance you do when guessing from complete and utter ignorance.


Huh? It's in the article the OP quoted from (the one that wasn't linked, but is relatively easy to find:

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Over the last several years, companies' boards of directors have tweaked executive compensation to answer critics' calls for CEO pay to be more attuned to performance. They've cut back on stock options and cash bonuses, which were criticized for rewarding executives even when a company did poorly. Boards of directors have placed more emphasis on paying CEOs in stock instead of cash and stock options.

The change became a boon for CEOs last year because of a surge in stocks that drove the S&P 500 index up 30 percent. The stock component of pay packages rose 17 percent to $4.5 million.
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#18 May 28 2014 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Are you saying that CEO pay doesn't tend to go up more than the workers when a business succeeds?
I'm saying you're illiterate if that's what you got.


I got what you were trying to say, but it's not what you actually said. Want to try again?
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#19 May 28 2014 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I got what you were trying to say, but it's not what you actually said.
Clearly you didn't.
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Want to try again?
You're still illiterate, take two I guess.
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#20 May 28 2014 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I got what you were trying to say, but it's not what you actually said.
Clearly you didn't.


Of course I did. I even considered adding it as a condition to my original response (ie: "or did you mean this?"). But it gets tiresome playing 20 questions with you.

For the record though, saying that something happens when a business succeeds isn't the same as saying that the opposite happens when it does not succeed. That was where you were going with this, right? I mean, it's not like your warped and backwards thinking isn't completely obvious. Just as it's obvious that you'll just vaguely claim "that's not it!" over and over, while refusing to say what you were actually attempting to claim. Cause that's the game you like to play.

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Do you ever bother with anything new?
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#21 May 28 2014 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Do you ever bother with anything new?
You're implying you're adding anything new worth adapting a new strategy for. You're not, therefore I'm not either. What you said was stupid, I told you it was stupid. Now you're going to try to wiggle out of it by doubling down. I've simplified the process. You're welcome.
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#22 May 28 2014 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Fixating on the top X number of CEO's pay and comparing it to workers pay is completely meaningless. It tells us absolutely nothing about whether the working class is better or worse off compared to some other point in time. That is the far more important point in all of this.
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#23 May 28 2014 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Huh? It's in the article the OP quoted from (the one that wasn't linked, but is relatively easy to find:

Neat. Still not remotely true.
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#24 May 28 2014 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Huh? It's in the article the OP quoted from (the one that wasn't linked, but is relatively easy to find:

Neat. Still not remotely true.


Take it up with Associated Press then. Do we just randomly decide which facts in their article to ignore then? Or do you have some methodology to make that determination? Same source for the top 50 list was the source for the statement you're saying is false, so if we toss one out, do we toss the other out as well? There's a lot of data in that article. Which ones are untrue?
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#25 May 28 2014 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Do we just randomly decide which facts in their article to ignore then?
You do all the time.
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#26 May 28 2014 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Take it up with Associated Press then. Do we just randomly decide which facts in their article to ignore then? Or do you have some methodology to make that determination? Same source for the top 50 list was the source for the statement you're saying is false, so if we toss one out, do we toss the other out as well? There's a lot of data in that article. Which ones are untrue?


I know you can't see why, but it's not data. Some people say it's because you rape elephants. That's now a fact, too, apparently. Explain to me how the idea is even fucking SUPPOSED to work, just mathematically. "Instead of compensating them with stock options, we now compensate them with stock. You know, immediately vested options with inherent value regardless of company performance. Because you know "this is worth $100000 for every increase of $1 per share" didn't reflect perofrmance, but "this is worth $5000000 AND $100000 for every increase of $1 per share" THAT reflects performance.



Edited, May 28th 2014 8:21pm by Smasharoo
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