That's a vast oversimplification. And so is this, but I have limited time at the moment: not only does racism cause obvious and overt disadvantages, it also provides a ready excuse and even encouragement for holding the lives of blacks in lower regard than the lives of whites for all races. And no, I'm not advocating letting anyone off the hook for their actions. Understanding is not the same as excusing.
In what sense does that agree with what Gbaji said? If anything it's more closely aligned to Smash's position.
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Samira wrote:
In what sense does that agree with what Gbaji said? If anything it's more closely aligned to Smash's position.
To my perception it agreed with Gbaji because it seemed (to me) to say that the cause of violence was being disadvantaged. Doesn't matter if they got there via racism or Government mind control, being disadvantaged was the root cause.
But we know that being disadvantaged isn't the root cause, as even middle class blacks shoot each other more often that middle class or even poor whites.
Samira wrote:
it also provides a ready excuse and even encouragement for holding the lives of blacks in lower regard than the lives of whites for all races.
Perhaps I need to drink a cup of coffee ad read this again, as it seems to imply that blacks shoot each other because racism has convinced them that their lives are worth less than whites, so it's OK to shoot each other?
Also, I'm honestly not trying to be an *** or dense on purpose. I think that we're all guilty of trying to make everything fit our preconceived notions, and in this case, I simply don't think racism or poverty are the cause, so everything I read is going to be contorted to fit that.
Having said that, yeah, I don't think it's racism ( or poverty).
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Coalheart wrote:
Having said that, yeah, I don't think it's racism ( or poverty).
So...it's because you think Black people are more violent then?
That's pretty racist & it is absolutely absurd that you think so, if that is the case.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
The important question is " shot by whom?". If these blacks are being shot by non blacks, then yeah, it's obviously racism. If not, then claiming racism is absurd.
Why the **** would "shot by whom" matter? Wait, you don't actually think it's impossible for someone of a given race to also hold that race in low regard, do you? I mean, no one's actually stupid enough to think "well the black guys were shot mostly by black guys, so that CAN'T be racism!"
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Shut the fuck up, Smash. Don't say another word. You and Samira do NOT agree about this, and that's final. Because CoalFace says so.
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Also, I'm honestly not trying to be an *** or dense on purpose. I think that we're all guilty of trying to make everything fit our preconceived notions, and in this case, I simply don't think racism or poverty are the cause, so everything I read is going to be contorted to fit that.
Nope, just you, ******. No one else has ever done that.
The rest of the species are looking down on you from atop our crystal spires, and we're laughing. You look real small up here, man. Real ******* small.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Coalheart wrote:
Having said that, yeah, I don't think it's racism ( or poverty).
So...it's because you think Black people are more violent then?
That's pretty racist & it is absolutely absurd that you think so, if that is the case.
Nope, that's not what I think, but that's still less absurd than Smash's "Black people shoot other black people because they're racist." tripe.
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Why the @#%^ would "shot by whom" matter?
Why the @#%^ would "shot by whom" matter?
Because the only way to stop it is to figure out who's doing it.
The answer to the question isn't blacks. Indeed, many blacks don't shoot each other. There's obviously more to it than race alone. Race is but one factor. We have to look at the pattern. What are the major factors that most of the ones who DO shoot each other have in common?
1: Sex ( Male)
2: Age ( 17~24)
3: Race (Black)
4: Location (Major Cities)
5: Affiliation (Gang members)
These young men are shooting each other over territory. They don't really have much of a choice. If you join a gang, it's you against rival gangs. If you don't, it's you against everyone else. These gangs use the young guys as lowly foot soldiers. They are at the lowest ranks. They do as they're told. And what they're told is to protect and defend their gang's territory.
Problem is, populations are rising. More and more people are fighting over the same little parcels of land. At the heart of the matter is overpopulation in these inner cities, not the color of their skin.
On the bright side, folks are starting to leave these overpopulated cities.
Edited, May 26th 2014 3:29am by CoalHeart
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CoalHeart wrote:
The answer to the question isn't blacks. Indeed, many blacks don't shoot each other. There's obviously more to it than race alone. Race is but one factor. We have to look at the pattern. What are the major factors that most of the ones who DO shoot each other have in common?
1: Sex ( Male)
2: Age ( 17~24)
3: Race (Black)
4: Location (Major Cities)
5: Affiliation (Gang members)
1: Sex ( Male)
2: Age ( 17~24)
3: Race (Black)
4: Location (Major Cities)
5: Affiliation (Gang members)
Might as well ask why blacks are disproportionately arrested and/or jailed, or why they are disproportionately uneducated, single teen-moms and jobless.
Sure there other factors besides skin-color that contribute, but being black starts one out at a disadvantage and exacerbates the poverty issues.
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Can we all get on the same page here? We're meant to spout mindless abuse at OwnCoal here, not debate the merits of their position.
Jesus. This is the worst old boys' club I've ever been a part of.
...What do you mean I'm not a member? Wow, ouch.
It's always good to have these contingencies ready.
'Chianti Monsoon'.
Jesus. This is the worst old boys' club I've ever been a part of.
...What do you mean I'm not a member? Wow, ouch.
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If I ever find myself as a female pole dancer, Cristal Spyers will totally be my stage name.
It's always good to have these contingencies ready.
'Chianti Monsoon'.
Kavekk wrote:
Can we all get on the same page here? We're meant to spout mindless abuse at OwnCoal here, not debate the merits of their position.
Jesus. This is the worst old boys' club I've ever been a part of.
...What do you mean I'm not a member? Wow, ouch.
It's always good to have these contingencies ready.
'Chianti Monsoon'.
Jesus. This is the worst old boys' club I've ever been a part of.
...What do you mean I'm not a member? Wow, ouch.
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If I ever find myself as a female pole dancer, Cristal Spyers will totally be my stage name.
It's always good to have these contingencies ready.
'Chianti Monsoon'.
Pole dancer 'Sta'ah Leg Tight' at the ready.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
In 2011, there were 14,612 murders in the U.S. (justifiable homicides excluded). Of those, 1,872 were committed by gang members. These are statistics compiled by the FBI, if you're curious.
Also, they define gangs as affiliations between known criminals, including street, motorcycle, prison and other. I assume you were mainly referring to street gangs, yes?
Clearly, while gangs are a problem, they're not responsible for the majority of homicides in the United States. Care to take another run at it?
Also, they define gangs as affiliations between known criminals, including street, motorcycle, prison and other. I assume you were mainly referring to street gangs, yes?
Clearly, while gangs are a problem, they're not responsible for the majority of homicides in the United States. Care to take another run at it?
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Clearly, while gangs are a problem, they're not responsible for the majority of homicides in the United States. Care to take another run at it?
It was the FBI in the Tenements with the Fluoridated Water.
More like the CIA in the tenements with a crack pipe, but point taken.
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CoalHeart wrote:
Problem is, populations are rising. More and more people are fighting over the same little parcels of land. At the heart of the matter is overpopulation in these inner cities, not the color of their skin.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Problem is, populations are rising. More and more people are fighting over the same little parcels of land. At the heart of the matter is overpopulation in these inner cities, not the color of their skin.
Again with this ****? I realize it's nice to pretend skin color is unimportant in modern US life. The minor problem with this is that it's a complete ******* fabrication. It's dramatically worse to a black person. Fact. Just a simple, inarguable, unequivocal, fact. The level of self deception required to believe otherwise is ******* staggering. Well beyond what's required for invisible man in the sky worship, even. It *literally* requires thinking along the lines of "hmm, people with black skin get shot more, are offered jobs less than identically qualified applicants, are turned down for housing more, have harder times getting loans, are more likely to live below the poverty line, receive far poorer medical care....what could be the cause?" "Oh, I know, RAP MUSIC!"
******* drooling simpleton.
Again with this ****? I realize it's nice to pretend skin color is unimportant in modern US life. The minor problem with this is that it's a complete ******* fabrication. It's dramatically worse to a black person. Fact. Just a simple, inarguable, unequivocal, fact. The level of self deception required to believe otherwise is ******* staggering. Well beyond what's required for invisible man in the sky worship, even. It *literally* requires thinking along the lines of "hmm, people with black skin get shot more, are offered jobs less than identically qualified applicants, are turned down for housing more, have harder times getting loans, are more likely to live below the poverty line, receive far poorer medical care....what could be the cause?" "Oh, I know, RAP MUSIC!"
******* drooling simpleton.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Problem is, populations are rising. More and more people are fighting over the same little parcels of land. At the heart of the matter is overpopulation in these inner cities, not the color of their skin.
Again with this sh*t? I realize it's nice to pretend skin color is unimportant in modern US life. The minor problem with this is that it's a complete @#%^ing fabrication. It's dramatically worse to a black person. Fact. Just a simple, inarguable, unequivocal, fact. The level of self deception required to believe otherwise is @#%^ing staggering. Well beyond what's required for invisible man in the sky worship, even. It *literally* requires thinking along the lines of "hmm, people with black skin get shot more, are offered jobs less than identically qualified applicants, are turned down for housing more, have harder times getting loans, are more likely to live below the poverty line, receive far poorer medical care....what could be the cause?" "Oh, I know, RAP MUSIC!"
@#%^ing drooling simpleton.
Again with this sh*t? I realize it's nice to pretend skin color is unimportant in modern US life. The minor problem with this is that it's a complete @#%^ing fabrication. It's dramatically worse to a black person. Fact. Just a simple, inarguable, unequivocal, fact. The level of self deception required to believe otherwise is @#%^ing staggering. Well beyond what's required for invisible man in the sky worship, even. It *literally* requires thinking along the lines of "hmm, people with black skin get shot more, are offered jobs less than identically qualified applicants, are turned down for housing more, have harder times getting loans, are more likely to live below the poverty line, receive far poorer medical care....what could be the cause?" "Oh, I know, RAP MUSIC!"
@#%^ing drooling simpleton.
So gang violence is a function of being black? I bet gangs of other races will be glad to hear they have nothing to worry about. Don't worry Carlos, you're not going to be shot ( or turned down for a loan or a job etc) because you're not black.
Smasharoo wrote:
what could be the cause?" "Oh, I know, RAP MUSIC!"
Again with the same old tactics. You say something ridiculous, then try and attribute it to me, then attack me for the dumb *** thing you said. You are the master of Straw men. Actually, scratch that, the only things you've ever mastered are bullsh*t and being a one trick pony.../yawn.
Edited, May 26th 2014 6:58pm by CoalHeart
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So gang violence is a function of being black? I bet gangs of other races will be glad to hear they have nothing to worry about. Don't worry Carlos, you're not going to be shot ( or turned down for a loan or a job etc) because you're not black.
No, pretending to care about "gang violence" is because most "gang members" are black or Hispanic. Good job working the Hispanic racism in there, though. Bueno. Here are things you don't need to worry about: Being carjacked. "The knockout game" "wilding" "people killing you because you flashed your headlights at a car with it's lights off" etc. etc. etc.
I can't possibly list all of the "secret code for 'be afraid of black and brown people!!" made up ********* sorry.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Smasharoo wrote:
So gang violence is a function of being black? I bet gangs of other races will be glad to hear they have nothing to worry about. Don't worry Carlos, you're not going to be shot ( or turned down for a loan or a job etc) because you're not black.
No, pretending to care about "gang violence" is because most "gang members" are black or Hispanic. Good job working the Hispanic racism in there, though. Bueno. Here are things you don't need to worry about: Being carjacked. "The knockout game" "wilding" "people killing you because you flashed your headlights at a car with it's lights off" etc. etc. etc.
I can't possibly list all of the "secret code for 'be afraid of black and brown people!!" made up bullsh*t, sorry.
How could you possibly know what I do and do not need to worry about? Are you psychic? It's even funnier because for all you know, I am black or possibly even Hispanic. Please continue your contrived, condescending, utterly ridiculous outrage though, as I find it amusing.
Edited, May 26th 2014 10:56pm by CoalHeart
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It's even funnier because for all you know, I am black or possibly even Hispanic.
Kavekk wrote:
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It's even funnier because for all you know, I am black or possibly even Hispanic.
Well, be fair. The very idea of brown people on the Internet is silly. Next thing you'll be saying they allow women in here.
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Kavekk wrote:
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It's even funnier because for all you know, I am black or possibly even Hispanic.
Well, be fair. The very idea of brown people on the Internet is silly. Next thing you'll be saying they allow women in here.
I just keep my hair tucked up in my cap. The Minority filter is about as effective as the swear filter.
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I lost my post
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