Ukraine has issuesFollow

Fuck it, can we just get World War 3 started already?

Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?

Nope same incoherent drivel as yesterday couldn't notice a difference.

Deflecting what your sarcasm laden post telling me how I don't know how much propaganda and advertising has corrupted my life. Is this where im supposed to say "no you are wrong reread my post to acquire an accurate representation of how I live my life". If I wanted to argue in a circle id go strike up a conversation with Gbaji.

You are right it is hyperbolism, But since hyperbole is just an element of sarcasm I guess we call it a draw? vOv GG WP.

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 10:18pm by rdmcandie

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The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.

I think he would because I don't believe he is the scary warmonger that the US media tries to depict him as. I firmly believe that he is a good leader and truly wants to have democratic process. We get desensitized here about how people view Putin he is loved in Russia, the vast majority of the population love him as a leader, but we never hear about that. We hear about the fringe minority that opposes him, because it fits the narrative the west needs to spin to keep its sphere of influence.

Also nothing changes if Crimea stays in Ukraine Russia still keeps its ports, Russia still keeps its bases, Russia still keeps its pipelines, and Russia still has strong influence on account of the population being mostly ethnic Russian, and thus share closer ties to Russia.

I think the important question is if the people of Crimea decide to leave will the West respect that democratic decision? Or will they call it illegitimate and essentially spit in the face of democracy. Democracy only counts if it falls in line with the wills of America? Essentially this is the people of Crimea's choice now. Whether it was prompted by an illegitimate government or not the power of the vote is in the hands of the people. You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

Realistically it's probably better if Crimea splits anyway, from the whole stability angle thing. The ones it really sucks for is those in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. While before you had closer elections between east-leaning and west-leaning politicians, this almost certainly would make east-leaning politics a permanent minority in the country. Can't imagine that sits well in some parts.

Didn't Russia say they would support the territorial integrity of Ukraine a ways back? Like when Ukraine gave up it's nukes?

We really should reexamine that.

You mean 20 years ago, in an entirely different political climate, you aren't really that naive are you? Times change, Ukraine drove Crimea away or didn't do enough to have the people wish to stay Ukrainian. If they want to vote to leave let democracy do its thing.



Hey guys have some hyperbole!



It makes you a hypocrite when you pick and choose where it applies. We in the west didn't have issue with Kosovo opting to leave. But suddenly its an international violation for the people of Crimea to make that exact same @#%^ing choice. Maybe we just need to have Crimeans start shooting Ukranians, apparently the only way to earn democratic authority is through a war and bloodshed.

Give me a break Joph.




Edited, Mar 7th 2014 4:48pm by rdmcandie

Last I checked there isn't a war going on, or any infringement on peace. Sucks that Ukraine might lose a province, maybe the current government should have thought about that before their first act was striking down equal standing of the Russian language in eyes of Government. Maybe the Ukrainian government should have thought about that before it tossed aside an agreement that Easterners, Westerners, EU, and Russia all agreed to.

But yes it was a terrible idea to give up all their nukes. But there have been worse deals than that. sh*t North America was bought and paid for with Muskets and Booze.(blankets filled with small pox not withstanding)

Edited, Mar 7th 2014 4:53pm by rdmcandie