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#227 Mar 07 2014 at 7:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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But honestly, my goal on this forum is less about arguing my positions as trying to get people to recognize and use good arguments versus bad ones. It's something I see far too much of. I'll eternally challenge arguments of the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is bad" form. So there's that. And if the pattern of ratedowns I get is any indication (while we're on the subject anyway), people care less about me challenging their positions on issues as they do with me challenging why they hold those positions. And that's something I find very very interesting.

I don't rate you down when I disagree with you gbaji. I rate you down occasionally when you say something so morally obnoxious and intellectually bankrupt that it would be dangerous to let it stand without comment. Often I don't have the energy to reply to you. Certainly replying to you would be fruitless if I wanted to change your mind. So I let a ratedown stand in for a comment.

You've never challenged me on why I hold my positions. Your propositions are so often wrong to start out with that your syllogisms are worthless to consider and your conclusions almost invariably wrong.
#228 Mar 07 2014 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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.... although the sea salt seems to season my chicken better when I cook it.
That's all that matters.

I suspect that the grain size does have something to do with it. I buy course-grained sugar to top my muffins with. It gives better texture.


Its healthier to, since it is largely unprocessed it retains many other mineral deposits like magnesium, potassium, and calcium. Table Salt doesn't retain these minerals due to its processing and is mixed with other additives like Iodine, and an Anti Clumping agent that is not toxic but does nothing of worth for the body.

Wait, why is magnesium good but iodine is bad? Iodized salt has probably had positive health impacts for millions on par with fluoridated water. In fact, there is worry that with so many people jumping on the sea salt craze, plus eating so much processed food that's pre-salted with non-iodized salt, rather than actually cooking food, that we'll see an increase iodine-deficiency related illnesses, like mental retardation and thyroid problems.
#229 Mar 07 2014 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eh, the iodized salt is just bad because it's missing all the *other* minerals found in sea or mountain salt, and has that anti-clumping agent. If you're eating enough seafood and eggs, you should be getting enough iodine.
#230 Mar 08 2014 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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I have canning salt. It's not iodized, but is gross for seasoning. It clumps fiercely.

For the most part I'd not be seeking to get balanced trace minerals from their salt. It's just a seasoning - that should be used sparsely.
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#231 Mar 08 2014 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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#232 Mar 08 2014 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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But honestly, my goal on this forum is less about arguing my positions as trying to get people to recognize and use good arguments versus bad ones. It's something I see far too much of. I'll eternally challenge arguments of the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is bad" form. So there's that. And if the pattern of ratedowns I get is any indication (while we're on the subject anyway), people care less about me challenging their positions on issues as they do with me challenging why they hold those positions. And that's something I find very very interesting.

Yeah, no. I don't rate anyone, which I'm sure Kao can confirm. However, when I've been not logged in and seen one of your posts below default, and then read it, I've never thought "that's not fair, people just disagree with his well reasoned valid opinion". I've mostly thought "yeah, even stupider than usual, makes sense."

The idea that you're a benevolent rhetoric educator simply challenging inarticulate positions actually made laugh loud enough to frighten Nexa. Pretty much all of your arguments are terrible ones that can be demolished instantly. It's disappointing, really. I've posted many times "this is actually a position with some merit, but your argument makes no sense." Hundreds?
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#233 Mar 08 2014 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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.... although the sea salt seems to season my chicken better when I cook it.
That's all that matters.

I suspect that the grain size does have something to do with it. I buy course-grained sugar to top my muffins with. It gives better texture.


Its healthier to, since it is largely unprocessed it retains many other mineral deposits like magnesium, potassium, and calcium. Table Salt doesn't retain these minerals due to its processing and is mixed with other additives like Iodine, and an Anti Clumping agent that is not toxic but does nothing of worth for the body.

Wait, why is magnesium good but iodine is bad? Iodized salt has probably had positive health impacts for millions on par with fluoridated water. In fact, there is worry that with so many people jumping on the sea salt craze, plus eating so much processed food that's pre-salted with non-iodized salt, rather than actually cooking food, that we'll see an increase iodine-deficiency related illnesses, like mental retardation and thyroid problems.


I didn't say Iodine was bad, I just said table salt is lacking the other minerals that the body uses. You gain more overall health benefit from Sea Salt. Ergo it is healthier. That doesn't mean Table Salt is bad, its just not as good. Assuming of course you are eating a balanced diet and acquiring iodine from other sources.
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#234 Mar 08 2014 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.
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And I know for a fact that there are a number of posters/lurkers on this forum who agree with me, but are literally afraid of posting their opinions because they don't want to suffer the negative backlash that would result.

Then they're pussies. Seriously. It's a god damn web forum. What's the worst that happens here -- someone calls you stupid in a variety of creative ways? Oh, golly no!

As much as I'd like to see some various points of view, if someone says something I disagree with, I'm going to disagree with them in the same manner that I'd disagree with anyone else. If someone needs to be coddled and sheltered because their frail egos and fragile views can't hold up to being told they're wrong and perhaps even dumb then who needs them? There's a number of people "literally afraid of posting their opinions"? F' em. I don't need to waste time on precious little flowers who can't handle direct sunlight.
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#236 Mar 08 2014 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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F' em. I don't need to waste time on precious little flowers who can't handle direct sunlight.

What do you have against Begonias?


#237 Mar 08 2014 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

Also a lot of people put rice in depending on the humidity of their homes. Since the clumping agent dissolves in water to much moisture in the air can cause the agent to dissolve and salt to clump. Rice keeps the ambient moisture neutralized.
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#238 Mar 08 2014 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that the dose makes the poison.

e.g.
http://slate.me/NRyy5F

http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/radiation-the-no-safe-level-myth.html

Edited, Mar 8th 2014 3:34pm by trickybeck
#239 Mar 08 2014 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

My family puts a salt into vinegar and oil as part of making salad dressing. Smiley: frown Then there's fish and chips, which we cover with salt and vinegar Smiley: mad

...AND lemon juice!

Edited, Mar 8th 2014 10:34pm by Aripyanfar
#240 Mar 08 2014 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
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What is the anti-clumping agent that keeps getting mentioned? Growing up our salt shaker has always had a small bit of rice in it to absorb moisture and prevent clumping.

Sodium Ferocyanide (or something like that). Its nontoxic most of the time. Unless you mix it with acid, in which case you can make Cyanaide Gas which is toxic. Most people don't mix salt with Acid though.

My family puts a salt into vinegar and oil as part of making salad dressing. Smiley: frown Then there's fish and chips, which we cover with salt and vinegar Smiley: mad

...AND lemon juice!


I wouldn't lose sleep over it, and I was talking "real" acids. Your stomach acid has a higher acidic value then Lemon Juice or Vinegar so....

Hydroflouric Acids and Sulfuric Acids, the ones that people shouldn't be ingesting anyway is what I was eluding to. If its less acidic than your stomach, generally you are A-OK. You might get heartburn or gassy, but otherwise you have nothing to worry about.

Maybe if you mix a box of salt in a bowl with stomach acid and stuck your face over it and started inhaling you might pooch your lungs...but I don't think that is a realistic situation in your home.



Edited, Mar 8th 2014 11:56pm by rdmcandie
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#241 Mar 09 2014 at 1:00 AM Rating: Good
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So I have to throw up, mix the salt in then drink the vomit? Smiley: confused Why can't I just eat the salt to mix it with my stomach acid? Smiley: frown
#242 Mar 09 2014 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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So I have to throw up, mix the salt in then drink the vomit? Smiley: confused Why can't I just eat the salt to mix it with my stomach acid? Smiley: frown

Does English stop at the border or something?

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#243 Mar 09 2014 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Which border?

And why is it so hard to just say, "Because the harm is done by inhalation" if that's the case?
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Which border?

Texas/Oklahoma
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#245 Mar 09 2014 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default
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Texas/Oklahoma


The worst border of them all.
#246 Mar 09 2014 at 12:32 PM Rating: Default
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Which border?

And why is it so hard to just say, "Because the harm is done by inhalation" if that's the case?


Because I didn't expect to see someone replying with "But I use Salt in Vinegar and Lemon Juice".

To answer your question though


ITS A ******* GAS, Gasses tend to enter your system through inhalation. It should go without saying to anyone who has taken at least grade 3 science. Holy ******* Christ.
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#247 Mar 09 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Right, that wasn't my question.
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#248 Mar 09 2014 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Right, that wasn't my question.


go out and drink a gallon of Hydroflouric acid.
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#249 Mar 09 2014 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Aw, you do get snitty when you're wrong, don't you? That explains the more or less permanent snit, I suppose.
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#250 Mar 09 2014 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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Aw, you do get snitty when you're wrong, don't you? That explains the more or less permanent snit, I suppose.

I get snitty dealing with blatant ******* stupidity.

I shouldn't have to clarify a gas will harm your lungs, no more than one should have to clarify drinking a gallon of hydrofluoric acid is a bad thing for your insides.

But evidently the short bus dropped you off and forgot to pick you back up. Seriously you shouldn't need your hand held here. But then again I am not really surprised either.
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#251 Mar 09 2014 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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My question had nothing to do with chemistry and everything to do with demeanor. I'm not at all surprised you failed to pick that up.

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