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#127 Feb 07 2014 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default
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This is why creationists are political. They're responding to an interpretation of evolution (actually science in general) that has been shaped into a weapon and used by Atheists to argue for the elimination of religion from society. By creating and perpetuating the perception that the two cannot coexist at all, they force people to choose one or the other. And of course, since we all know that science is "true", only anti-scientific morons would ever choose to be religious, right?


I'm pretty certain Ken Hamm is of the opinion that any Christians that don't believe in the Young Earth theory aren't true Christians (he said something along those lines during his "debate"). He doesn't use his theory "as a weapon" just against secular folks, but religious folks too. Even those religious folks, like Pat Robertson, that think he's an idiot.


I don't know anything about that person in particular. Most people who identify themselves as creationists don't ascribe to the Young Earth Theory and certainly don't believe that anyone who doesn't isn't really a Christian. Just because this particular show decided to pick the most rabid and idiotic person from one "side" doesn't mean that that "side" doesn't have actual valid points and positions, nor does it discount my earlier comment about why they feel forced to involve themselves in a political defense of their faith.

The very idea of associating creationism with this particular guy is part of what I was talking about. The "attack" on religion is structured in a way so as to convince people that to embrace faith is to deny science. The creation debate is just one of the more blatant topics that is used, but the association is becoming increasingly prevalent, and repeated by people who maybe just think it's a funny joke, but don't think of the larger consequences. How often, when we're in a debate about *** marriage, or global warming, or almost any topic at all, does someone equate a position they think is stupid with religion? I don't think most of you even realize how frequently someone will dismiss an argument I'm making by saying something like "Well, you are in the same party with people who believe in a man in the clouds" (or something similar). Tea party positions are routinely dismissed based on some kind of "you're all just nutty religious people" argument.

Calling someone religious has become the equivalent of calling them ignorant, stupid, and unscientific. Of course, the irony of this is that it's usually in a circular form, starting with someone wanting to label someone's position unscientific or stupid, so they label them religious. Happens with global warming all the time, right? We all know that people who don't believe in global warming also think the earth was created in 7 days, right? And Bush prayed before deciding to invade Iraq. OMG! Proof that it was a bad idea...
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#128 Feb 07 2014 at 9:38 PM Rating: Default
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Given your frequent claims that you are not a Christian (or religious at all), gbaji, could you explain in a couple of sentences why you argue their (fundamentalist) side so hard?


I'm not. The fact that you can't separate me agreeing with someone with me defending their right to have that belief is what you really should be curious about though. It's somewhat key to actually implementing that whole first amendment thing we are supposed to hold in high regard.


I'm not defending the position. I'm defending the right to hold it.
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#129 Feb 07 2014 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
Given your frequent claims that you are not a Christian (or religious at all), gbaji, could you explain in a couple of sentences why you argue their (fundamentalist) side so hard?


I'm not. The fact that you can't separate me agreeing with someone with me defending their right to have that belief is what you really should be curious about though. It's somewhat key to actually implementing that whole first amendment thing we are supposed to hold in high regard.


I'm not defending the position. I'm defending the right to hold it.
Funny how you ALWAYS argue that side, though. Coincindence, right?


Disclaimer, in case anybody missed it in the past: I'm a Christian, but not a fundie moron.
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#130 Feb 07 2014 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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To follow up: are you an atheist or agnostic, gbaji?
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gbaji wrote:
It's somewhat key to actually implementing that whole first amendment thing we are supposed to hold in high regard.
Burning Qurans, boycotting mosques, and refusing to hire people for religious differences is exercising one's rights, saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas is a war against said rights.
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I'm not defending the position. I'm defending the right to hold it.
Funny how you ALWAYS argue that side, though. Coincindence, right?


Not coincidence at all. If I were on a forum populated with religious people constantly attacking science, and arguing that it has no place in society, should be banned, restricted, excluded from our education, etc, I'd be taking the exact opposite position.

More correctly, I'd be taking the same position. Most people just don't realize it because they can't see past their own personal likes and dislikes. So yeah, not a coincidence at all. I tend to disagree with bad arguments, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the outcome. Someone saying "free market's are the best because socialists are all rapists" will get a strong argument from me, not because I dislike free markets, but because that's a crappy reason for liking them.

And guess what? Evolution does not contradict, much less disprove the idea that some form of divine being created the universe and even planned out how life would form and what it would become. No contradiction at all. I don't have to believe or not believe in creationism to disagree with the person who says that since evolution is proven science all creationists are wrong. Cause that's a crappy argument. See how that works?


I'm agnostic btw.

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gbaji wrote:
Someone saying "free market's are the best because socialists are all rapists" will get a strong argument from me, not because I dislike free markets, but because that's a crappy reason for liking them.
Someone saying "liberals are all easily-led-by-the-nose dupes" is cool though, eh?
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ALSO: If there are any links you can provide to a fundie site where you are arguing the other side we'd all love to have those.

Oh, wait.
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gbaji wrote:
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I'm not defending the position. I'm defending the right to hold it.
Funny how you ALWAYS argue that side, though. Coincindence, right?


Not coincidence at all. If I were on a forum populated with religious people constantly attacking science, and arguing that it has no place in society, should be banned, restricted, excluded from our education, etc, I'd be taking the exact opposite position.

More correctly, I'd be taking the same position. Most people just don't realize it because they can't see past their own personal likes and dislikes. So yeah, not a coincidence at all. I tend to disagree with bad arguments, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the outcome. Someone saying "free market's are the best because socialists are all rapists" will get a strong argument from me, not because I dislike free markets, but because that's a crappy reason for liking them.

And guess what? Evolution does not contradict, much less disprove the idea that some form of divine being created the universe and even planned out how life would form and what it would become. No contradiction at all. I don't have to believe or not believe in creationism to disagree with the person who says that since evolution is proven science all creationists are wrong. Cause that's a crappy argument. See how that works?


I'm agnostic btw.

Edited, Feb 7th 2014 8:02pm by gbaji


If he was a true God, he would not need evolution. In fact, I will go as far as to say that God does not need evolution.

People, however, apparently, need to believe in something. In the same way, Fundie christians believe in god, some people believe in science.

They key word is belief. As a species, we are barely out of the jungle, we are still very unevolved. We are only slowly piecing sh*t together.

I had some sort of point, but it got lost. Maybe I will find it tomorrow. Nite nite


Edited, Feb 7th 2014 11:58pm by angrymnk
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#136 Feb 07 2014 at 11:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most rational people do not care what anyone else believes until the very moment that it impinges on them: on their First Amendment rights, on their personal safety, and on their children's educations.

I realize it's circular (or more of a spiral, I guess), but we can point fingers all day over who started it. Many people regard the Tea Party as being full of ignorant zealots because so many Tea Party talking points and candidates have buttressed that impression.

There is never going to be perfect agreement. I for one would be content if we could just teach science in science classes and religion in religion classes and leave it at that.
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#137 Feb 08 2014 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know anything about that person in particular. Most people who identify themselves as creationists don't ascribe to the Young Earth Theory and certainly don't believe that anyone who doesn't isn't really a Christian.

Incorrect, in fact. Most people who *self identify* as 'creationists' DO subscribe (because we're using the English language by choosing words that are appropriate to context not just ones that may sound somewhat similar) to Young Earth creationism. Because it's not 1936 and people who *self identify* that way are weird fringe whackos.
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I've posted numerous polls showing that most people who believe in creationism believe in the literal "six-day creation about 6,000 years ago" version but Gbaji keeps insisting otherwise. For obvious reasons, of course but still.
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#139 Feb 08 2014 at 3:29 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I tend to disagree with bad arguments, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the outcome.
You tend to be the one making the bad arguments.
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Oooh, big surprise.
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#140 Feb 08 2014 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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And guess what? Evolution does not contradict, much less disprove the idea that some form of divine being created the universe and even planned out how life would form and what it would become. No contradiction at all.


This is how most Christians reconcile their religious beliefs with science. What started the big bang? God did it, until proven otherwise. If it is proven otherwise, they'll probably jump through another hoop.

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I don't have to believe or not believe in creationism to disagree with the person who says that since evolution is proven science all creationists are wrong. Cause that's a crappy argument. See how that works?


I wouldn't peg those that accept science & can reconcile their religious beliefs with it as "creationists", they're simply religious people. Creationists nowadays tend to be the young earth kind which are trying to get evolution not taught in school. And young earthers are demonstrably wrong.

Ken Hamm & you have a lot in common Gbaji. Watching his debate is a lot like reading your drivel about things like global warming. Different topic, sure, but similar types of arguments. The hoops you boys have to jump through to deny the obvious is amusing until it gets boring and/or I start to wonder if either of you really believe what you're saying.

For what its worth, much like the politicians who speak similar drivel, I don't think you actually believe most of what you say - you're all just saying it to troll the people who don't agree while pandering to the minority that do.
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#141 Feb 08 2014 at 9:15 AM Rating: Default
Smash is being a "not very intelligent regarding this and is being belligerent for no reason person" if he thinks one can not accept both science and god into their hearts. Just because we have figured out how some of the machine works doesn't mean God didn't build it.

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God is the machine. Or if you apply Occam's Razor, the machine is the machine.
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Oh, I hope the machine is a love tester.
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I'd say the odds of that are good, given the emphasis that already exists on procreation and such.
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Smash is being a "not very intelligent regarding this and is being belligerent for no reason person" if he thinks one can not accept both science and god into their hearts.

No, I'm just articulating what 99.999999% of scientist also believe, but most are too polite to bother with stating. What you "accept into your heart," pardon me, I threw up in my mouth a little typing that, the banality almost got the better of me, is none of my concern. If you want to live with the idiotic cognitive dissonance required to cling to animal brain superstitions and xenophobia, that's great for you. It also hampers your ability to judge reality objectively. Sorry. That's the choice you've made.
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#146 Feb 10 2014 at 1:46 PM Rating: Default
Why so angry Smash. Does it make you mad that I can believe the science of the working body of our existence...and believe that there is a possibility that something made this great design for us to discover.

Or does it make you jealous?

The two beliefs aren't mutually exclusive...but hey believe what you want...you are just wrong.

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I missed the debate as it was on at the same time as my gov was giving the state of the state address last week. I've heard a couple snippets since, but not enough to really get a feel for what transpired.

But, here's a follow up article from NPR.
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I accepted Smash into my heart and I think he gave me parasites.

Are you sure that was your heart?

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Smash is being a "not very intelligent regarding this and is being belligerent for no reason person" if he thinks one can not accept both science and god into their hearts.

No, I'm just articulating what 99.999999% of scientist also believe, but most are too polite to bother with stating. What you "accept into your heart," pardon me, I threw up in my mouth a little typing that, the banality almost got the better of me, is none of my concern. If you want to live with the idiotic cognitive dissonance required to cling to animal brain superstitions and xenophobia, that's great for you. It also hampers your ability to judge reality objectively. Sorry. That's the choice you've made.

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Why so angry Smash. Does it make you mad that I can believe the science of the working body of our existence...and believe that there is a possibility that something made this great design for us to discover.

Or does it make you jealous?

The two beliefs aren't mutually exclusive...but hey believe what you want...you are just wrong.

One of those beliefs is entirely unnecessary and extraneous. It serves no purpose except to placate and control the grumbling masses.
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